[DENIED] Freedom of information

Keep seeing reports and stuff that are "Private" I feel like this is unfair on the person being reported (granted they must have done something wrong) as they have no way of seeing what evidence is put against them like you would see in a court.

In court all evidence must be provided to PROVE you are GUILTY as you are presumed innocent until found guilty.

Also there is a freedom of information act that i think should be implemented into sythe

The Freedom of Information Act 2000 provides public access to information held by public authorities.

It does this in two ways:

• public authorities are obliged to publish certain information about their activities; and
• members of the public are entitled to request information from public authorities.

The Act covers any recorded information that is held by a public authority in England, Wales and Northern Ireland, and by UK-wide public authorities based in Scotland. Information held by Scottish public authorities is covered by Scotland’s own Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002.

Public authorities include government departments, local authorities, the NHS, state schools and police forces. However, the Act does not necessarily cover every organisation that receives public money. For example, it does not cover some charities that receive grants and certain private sector organisations that perform public functions.

Recorded information includes printed documents, computer files, letters, emails, photographs, and sound or video recordings.

The Act does not give people access to their own personal data (information about themselves) such as their health records or credit reference file. If a member of the public wants to see information that a public authority holds about them, they should make a subject access request under the Data Protection Act 1998.


I feel that if there should be some sort of way users can request something to be made public whether thats a vote or something.

Thanks for reading

 

The evidence submitted is available to the court (Sythe staff) and in the real world evidence can be hidden / sealed under a set of circumstances to protect someone or their reputation.

Private reports also prevent tons of drama and often times people who file reports don't want retaliation from the person their reporting.

The only thing I would support changing is telling the person whos being reported what they were reported for and to provide evidence for the report, no specifics and no leaking who reported them.

No support.

 

I just think rather than have reports labelled as "Private" there needs to be a title stating the offence, then with the thread staff can decide whether its available to post to the public, Or, PM staff the report that u would rather not disclose publicly and they can then make it public to avoid drama.

Because if we were to talk in real word terms, Anyone accused of a crime is submitted with evidence against them and also the person who accused them (the plaintiff)

Because if said users who are reported wish to pardon and are successful it's only fair for other users to see what they were banned for originally and the rules they broke.

 

Why do I get the feeling this is personal? However I do feel evidence should be shown to a certain extent, if it proves guilt "yes" if its not crucial to the outcome of the case and can only damage the reputation of either party without having a solving outcome them no.

 

Not personal at all, But browsing RAS and Where did [name here] go and just seeing a huge amount of private reports, with those banned users potentially being applicants for a pardon it's only fair the rest of the community gets to see why they were banned.

 

No support, they are private to protect people from the outside, if it is private have it known that it has private information that mods or the person reporting them didn't want hidden. It is a safety measure not an "I want to hide who scammed me."

 

Then how about a "meet in the middle" solution? Such as any sensitive info, Emails, phone numbers, Addresses etc... all be removed [Like most people do in public reports anyway] but the rest stays?

 

There are too many specific situations. If it's hidden it is the best for the mods and community to leave it as so.

 

I just don't see how private reports are fair, Not only on the scammer them selves but also on the community? The community has a right to know who has been reported and why they are banned, Same way the scammer has the right to access any evidence against them to fight it same way it would be in court?

Otherwise this is the scenario of a private report in a real court:

I accuse @Bryan of something, I provide my evidence, But only the judge gets to see it, Bryan doesn't get to see the evidence or even know what he's being accused of?

Another scenario for the community side of the argument.

Bryan gets out of jail for the crime he committed (gets unbanned on sythe and pardons) and starts trading again, But some of the community remembers him being banned and wants to know why, But theres no record of it.

Now in the UK (not sure about other countries) There is a database you can access via the Ministry of Justice who are legally obligated to inform you of a persons crime if it's anything to do with a public offence, (robbery, burglary, sex offenders, Firearms charges, murder, manslaughter etc) so someone can check the background of someone else.

Now it seems alot of people won't support this suggestion but since i feel quite passionate about the freedom of information i'd like people to give it a good thought.

 

I understand, and the USA has a crime directory too. But this is a website on the world wide web. Some people don't need to be unveiled if they have done something wrong, and people don't always deserve to see what they did, they should know. If it is hidden the evidence is very clear and has a reason dude. I understand that it is a grey area, but it is better for the community when people allow the staff to do the job they are assigned. I'm done trying to decipher this though, still no support.

 

I understand, So would you compromise on something like this?

Thread title: Private Report (Offence here)

Thread Contents: (Offence Commited) the rest is private?

 

If the offenders name isn't on there sure. The name is what I refuse to give on lol

 

Yea that's what i meant, The main thing i'd want to know about a report is the offence, But if the person was to come back and pardon not sure how we would have his ban reason listed without putting the original poster of the report in the shit, I guess it would just have to be [Name here] - Scamming (example) Pardoned on: with no link to the private report. but thanks anyway man been a good debate with you <3

 

- Well said @Divine

- Well said @Bryan

- It is best to keep information private. We would never take action again'st anyone who has not broken the rules. There has been many cases / situations where it's best to protect the OP reporting the situation. Also, it saves a lot of drama within the community.

- The community has the right to ask why any person is banned, whether or not they know the extent of the "Private report" we are free to summarize and give you an explanation to why a user is banned.

If you have anymore additional questions, feel free to contact me on Discord / Skype. I hope this helps clear up some of the vague area.

 

Private reports are horseshit. One of the ways to prevent scams is to google the name of the person you're trading with, if the reports are private with ALL information being removed how will a trader get any information?

This is clearly being abused, I'm sure MOST of these didn't need to be private;

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Absolute nonsense. If it's private and contains sensitive information then PM staff or you might as well make the entire report a scammer section private.

I should be able to see why a person was accused of scamming before conducting a trade with them.

Of course he says no support when he's the one abusing it the most.

 

Well said, They either need to make private reports not allowed, Or make it so they can be pmed to staff (which they can already, people just choose not to) Or if people are going to be allowed to make a private report, which results in a punishment of another user then the report should then be made public, I don't give two shits if it causes drama, if a scammer is banned, i wanna know about it for future reference, Lets say i go scam $5k now, someone makes a private report against me, i come back pardon payback etc, then someone who wants to do a bigger trade pms me? how is he ever going to know that i was a scammer who took 5k? it's our right to know.

 

Just throwing this out there, if private reports became illegal I would throw you all to the wolves as would anyone else who makes private reports.

I would never, ever, go after anyone of any renown on this forum unless it was a private report, you want to make private reports illegal? I wont report people and you guys can get fucked by the scamquits.

That is *EXACTLY* what will happen if private reports are made illegal, private reports avoid drama, they don't hurt or damage anyones reputation unless their punished and it prevents backlash to the person reporting them.

Whine and bitch all you want, the fact is private reports are a good thing, as I said the only thing that should be allowed is to lt the person know what their being reported for and to provide evidence against it.

I 100% gauruntee if private reports are made illegal you'll:

1) See less scams reported, less checks ran
2) See drama and massive fights again among members who report each other
3) See reports made to spite/damage other users reputation
4) More scams will occur because people don't want to start a huge drama to report someone

And what is the cost of all of the above being fixed? A title saying "private" and someone not being able to prep their scamquit.

Fuck off I say.

 

if ur suggesting that if you get banned you should be able to see the private report that got u banned then ya i support

if ur suggesting to not make private reports, their usually incase the person being reported has the ability to scam for a large amount, and if there is an actual report up its also easier for multiple staff members to view it