[Approved] Forbid Community Name Sales / Commission Name Sales

My personal one-off opinion on Community Sales:

I personally like Community Sales a lot from a moral standpoint for the general RS community and I have tons of gaming friends who love it as well.
The reason I love it is for fairly obvious reasons. It allows the ability for people to get the full value out of their names without the old alternative of having to sell it to a reseller for a fraction of what the reseller will sell it for, as well as allows people to see what options are on the market quickly and constantly stay up-to-date with minimal effort.
Obviously, I see where this could be frowned upon by active name resellers as it makes most profits simply come from middle-manning, xfers, and a small commission rather than the larger profit margins + mm/xfers that all resellers were used to pre-community sales. It also makes it quite difficult to buy names from people like they used to when people can just list their name in community sales. Reading above, I also acknowledge and understand some of the other issues with it as well. Everything has pros and cons, and I'm more than understanding as to the other reasons not related to my above comments for why some people are in favor of banning Community Sales.

Overall, I do see more benefit to keeping the Community Sales section than not, however I would change one thing.
What I would change is the ability for people to list their names for any absurd price they want to. I would fully support a Sythe rule for Comm Sales, or name sales in general, that prevents price gouging. Something like:
"You are allowed to list your name in Community Sales for a maximum of (+ x%) of our price estimate for your name. This purpose of this section is to allow private sellers to sell off their names for almost full value of their name's worth, but not to allow/encourage price gouging in the name trading community. *Disclaimer: Listing your name(s) with us for above our price estimate may result in the inability to sell your name or prolong its time to sell exponentially, which we do not recommend.*"

Furthermore, if people are worried about sellers themselves providing outrageous quotes on names to get around "approving private sellers' artificially high prices to create unfair advantage", then make a rule that the name professional's price quote must be included in the listing of each name so that everything is completely transparent, allowing the name sellers/community to keep everyone honest and in check.

Again, this is just my one-off opinion on Community Sales. I hope it was able to add at least a small amount of value, and if not, then I wish the best for the community anyway.

Happy trading!

 

I really support this.

In my opinion there just isn’t really any difference between this and a trading server. I also think it’s healthy for the long term health of BOTH this site and the name market.

It’s inevitably going to drive more traffic to Sythe as that will be the main place for an open market on names again. Seems insane that this wasn’t always a rule.

(This is coming from someone who actively uses the community name sales service in both Assassins and Alex’s discords)

+1 support - although I’ve learned on this site you can have 95% support and 5% against, it’s still very likely not to change. May the odds be forever in your favour.

 

@Thotctor so you want there to be people implemented into the name market that their duty is to price check names? & what they price check them @ is what it’s allowed to be listed at?
(Referring to your suggestion & comment about price gauging)

1. Who is going to pay these price checkers? Sythe mods aren’t even paid…
2. Did you know sythe is an open market?

For anyone that is actually knowledgeable in online business, let’s just use RuneScape gold sales for an example. As a site owner you are capable for charging much higher margins than solo discord traders. Some traders are .01 margin traders while sites can do .1+
Now factor in how many trades per day x amount .. you can be making $$$ more than the smaller traders.

So this shouldn’t be allowed? Because it’s also price gauging & advertised on sythe?

the answer is no, they doesn’t work & it’s not going to work or be implemented here


There is 1 rule we are all trying to follow & discuss which is com sales being an open market threat to sythe
Which 95% of the MAIN name traders that have threads & post count agree with
While we have 2 individuals that are advocating against it & asking for their discord to come post on this thread because they are afraid of an outcome that’s not in their favor

 

Horrendous suggestion

community sales are great

nice way to see what names are on the market as well that aren’t directly owned by one of you name hoarding flipper scumbags (beast)

 

@Pikachu just a fyi, while you’re listing your name you’re not allowed to advertise elsewhere. This includes sythe.
So if someone wants to say it brings people to sythe, that is just a blatant lie.

btw any mods that read this since we don’t have any clarifications

Can these servers advertise hacked or stolen names in com sales? Since the owner of the server doesn’t own the name & wouldn’t be violated the “selling of hack, stolen name” rule. The loophole of the server is the owner is just a Middelman, so it should be fine?
& if that’s fine than the buyer of the name would be innocent because they didn’t know it’s hacked or stolen & is purchasing it legitimately.

 

These two scenarios are effectively the same thing; this is an argument over semantics IMO.

 

I don’t support the removal of community sales.

I have a solution to balance the argument Zombie mentioned two solutions banning community and commission sales all together or banning community sales alone and allowing “X” amount of commission sales. My solution would be allow community sales but have “X” amount of slots across the board. This would allow a healthy amount of names flow through the market. This would force the name sellers that list their community name sales above value to be realistic. When a more expensive name comes through the cheapest name would have to be cleared off the community sales list. This could be seen as punishment to the customer yes, but have a clause in the initial statement that if your name is removed off my community sales list by the name seller you are free to repost or advertise after 2-3 days. Instead of the initial 7 days waiting period. Also at this point the discord owner could make an offer on the name giving the customer an option. This will in turn weed out all the names that are low tier or simply won’t sell and it’ll give the customers who do have mid to high value names willing to sell for a price that opportunity of not settling for 1/3 or 1/4 value. It also provides an opportunity to the small name sellers for a flip because like I said before low tier names move out and in with the higher value ones. I feel this solution will be beneficial to both sides no matter if your a bigger name seller or smaller. While benefitting both big and small name sellers it will still be beneficial to customers as well.

 

You might have all those expenses cool, But I still felt ripped off being offered 1/3 of what I had paid and then the new owner putting it up for 5x what I had just sold it for. IF commission sales was around at that point then I could have maybe got more back and the owner of the discord just earnt a nice 20% with little to no risk?

as chain bans for name hoarding and holding gold is are such an issue for yourself then commission name sales are a much better option for you no? Less risk of being banned for name hoarding and you only hold the gp for a brief period before taking your commission out of it. f**k hang on.. that's making it safer for you? you can now put more into those thousand dollar giveaways! hell yeah commission sale everything.

the only reason I can see "big name sellers" being against commission name sales is not being able to control the market or earn higher than the 20% available on Comm sales.

 

It’s 15%
5% actual profit for listing using our discord + that includes facilitating the trade (MM’ing)

10% for transfer swapping your name for 100% snipe responsibility so if it ever does get sniped you’re fully refunded

so it’s not just a free 15%

anyways you’re free to open your own discord, cover your own expenses, advertise on sythe & learn how to swap & deal with getting sniped

Goodluck

 

never said it was free. its a better solution for the name owners and the trusted/respected name sellers. why would I open server? there are few fantastic name seller discords around that stock their own names and provide a safe environment for me to sell and view the amazing names that are around in the community why would I compete with that?

 

So I hear that its so great about the community from many people, but why ppl even mention it?
It might be good for one part, but smaller sellers like myself are forgotten behind the curtains. Thats fair, I could implement it too but why? There is already 3 - yet you have no control over it (sometimes, doesn't go for everyone and yes it might be a rare occassion).
I've seen names being double listed? Obviously with so many options for the people to choose inbetween idk why you haven't found a solution toward the whole market in general.
If y'all think this is about making it "good for the people, market or community whatsoever - then let's just put all cards on the table?
1. Make one community discord, and make it without fee. We all about helping, right? I wouldn't mind helping if people get on the boat for free when I can.
2a. Expose the transfer method, and give sellers and the people enjoy the market even further. We are all about helping anyway, why are we charging? It's simply robbing people for no work. Those who move names have a little to none at the so called "risks" of losing the name.
2b. This would include that sellers obviously wouldn't take the risk, but in the end if you ran community sales that was accessible freely for namesellers to run together - then its not hard to implement a button called "Request transfer (uninsured)" and "Request transfer (insured)".
This would cost time, but why not? You bring a balance in the market between the sellers and you help the community.
3. If you're not agreeing to this as a seller that claims "helping community", then you're not about the community but passive money/ income.
4. This is deffo about the money vs time game. You spend time you want money on something, a great example is: 20% fee on x amount and 15% for y amount. Why is there a difference? This should be equal if anything? If due to quantity of names, well thats how it is. Does not justify anything that the percentages are different.

My reasoning for the fact I want community sales removed?
I state clearly the fact that business has gone down for EVERYONE that is not running community sales. If you want to run it, do it free and together as a whole. Too many places is this an accessibility, you are competing for 5% for what? Listing a name and removing it, everything is about what I would call automated.
This is not the "charm" of the name market, people weren't being ripped off? I know some ppl ain't penny flippers but some does do it as myself. 1.5x or 2x or even less sometimes is fine, while some go to the extend of 10xs or above. People have the opportunity to ask for the sellers offers, nobody goes for the first option without looking at the other options. I've experienced several times that ppl are smart enough to ask every seller and get in dialogue, which would somehow end in a price I can't imagine at times was actually offered - yet it is.

I do agree with Beast on many of the parts he has stated. I do especially agree on the fact that you buy a name that represents you etc as mentioned above.

If you want something new, surely you are able to use Sythe to try and sell it, a lot of people are around - not only sellers.

Eighter you should make shit fair for everyone, or you actually give a fuck about the community instead of pretending and charging % wherever possible for automated bots you don't even have to spend a minute on.

Good luck on the suggestion, I hope it goes through personally.
Or atleast some changes to be made in the future for sure.
I am 100% behind the fact making "everything" accessible for free for the community

 

YEAH! GO XO, now that is the realest point in this chat that someone has mentioned. WHY CHARGE people to list their rsns for them?? IS IT REALLY TO HELP THE SYTHE COMMUNITY OR JUST TO HELP THEIR DISCORD SHOP? KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.

• Honestly I respect most name-sellers hustle to help contribute towards the community. Just so much time, effort, dedication goes to this just to make individuals a bit happier.
• Every name-seller does their part trying to find better names for the community even though they are scarce.
• I do get why name xferers charge people because it does take time/effort plus it is insured if something were to go wrong. However, the odds of xferring are lol you have more chance losing a stake than a name name transferring if done properly.
• I always disliked having to pay for name transfers until I figured out my own method (I think it should be free). I used to actively offer this a service myself to charge people for name transfers but nowadays I just transfer my own names. People do not realize its quite hard to, hard meaning you need to be actively available 24/7 to be convenient for others timezone for what 50-200m per name on the average? In addition, not to mention there is competition within the name transfer community (yes there is but they won't confess that to you, it makes them look bad). They want people using their services for more gold/rep

THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT ARE BENEFITING FROM COMMISSION SALES ARE NAME DISCORD OWNERS. LETS REMOVE IT FOR THE GREATER FUTURE OF THE NAME MARKET. LESS NAMESELLERS = LESS NAME ENGAGEMENT. LOOK AFTER YOUR NAMESELLERS TODAY BECAUSE THEY ARE DEDICATED TO HELPING YOU

 

For everyone who are against community sales, are you really for the GOOD of the community? (costumers) Or you are against it for your own pockets?


Yes this has lowered the re-sellers profits by a lot. (mine included by at least 60-70% monthly earnings BTW)

Keep in mind this market has been CRAZY profit with very little risk for many many years. It was extremely common to buy names at 300m and resell @ 1.25b for your info with very little work.

So I understand now that there is much more names into the market, profits went down considerably, reason there is un-happy re-sellers posting on this thread.

I keep hearing how BAD my new system is, but yet, every single person (not re-sellers) who has went through it actually LOVED it.

(((Keep in mind, I am completely for the fact DNT/Banned Users should NEVER be allowed to sell names through it though, which it could be hard keeping track and avoiding it, but I'm all for it 100%.)))


Let's see it from a NEW normal player's perspective who simply wants to sell their 1 name:

Normally he would need to try and get on some suspicious platforms like, ogusers, Facebook, sythe and others. (Sythe is wonderful, but can be very sketchy to newcomers with all these discord scammers + botsnipers)
Then he would need to try and make a topic and get slaughtered by every single scam techniques in the book. From Fake Trusted sellers, to 3rd party Middleman, then have to deal with snipers, understand unique ID's to include Middleman, time the trade with 3 people and the list goes on... AKA a NIGHTMARE.

Now? All he has to do is join a few discords, then have his name listed by the name sellers and the rest goes super smooth, gets the TOP GOLD for his name in all security and anonymously.
What happens after? He's gonna tell his friends on how smooth it was and encourage them to jump in the market, while HIMSELF very likely will just buy a new name and keep going.

I honestly can say I've seen over 500 people get scammed during their first trade when they had to deal it all on their own. The amount of scams used to be UNREAL, almost everyday.

The community (which you love so much) before would also just join the market with lets say 1.5b bank, sell some items and buy a 1.25b name they love from one of the 4-5 sellers there is.
He'd love it and then realize its most of their bank, so they would ask to re-sell it... Most sellers would offer him back 300-400m, 500m if lucky.
What happens next? FFF man these guys are rip-offs, I overpaid and now i'm getting lowballed... F them I'm out. Leading to losing another member of the community.




1- For the outsourcing comments above, Sythe accepts outsourcing as long as you mention to the buyer that the name is owned by a 3rd person and there might be a CUT for the MM. Which obviously, now the buyer is fully aware.

2- For the people saying we are now just manipulating the prices... Wait what? We ask every single sellers to set at their very lowest they would accept. This literally added 300+ names on the market already, meaning there is more competition, meaning people set their prices lower to sell quicker. Like what..?
When the market literally only had 3-4 sellers with 10-50 names each, back THEN we could easily manipulate the market prices. But clearly not anymore lol. If a few individuals wants to set their prices very high and play the waiting game, fine yeh, but when costumers see very similar names for 70% cheaper, they're not being manipulated, they will simply pick the smarter options.

3- For the people saying this is just an easy way for hackers/snipers to dump their names, wait what? we look at the avoid-list before each listings to make sure this does not happen.
Everyone knows I've always been heavily AGAINST snipers/hackers which has caused me to receive death treats, been massively targeted by botspammers, and made me lose many thousand dollars.
This didn't make me stop thought I'll FOREVER be against these guys no matter what. If you don't know what to post on this thread to make it relevant, then don't post anything. You really think I'd let these guys (who has managed to steal over 10k+ $ from me) freely dump their names in my server for a very small 5% cut?? (which I'm splitting with Achilles btw) Actual L O L.

4- For the people saying its removing activity from sythe, it may be a little bit yes. But most of our costumers joins from mouth-to-mouth already and after every single sale we make sure people registers an account on sythe and posts vouches which could lead to brand new members who would have very possibly never joined if it wasn't for this.
AKA more trades completed = more people who joins sythe. I have minimum 260+ Referrals (obviously not all from community-sales) and each of these person potentially have made others joined TOO, what have you done?





Most persons who are for the removal of it, are people who are not able to make easy money from the name market anymore like they used to, or at least unless they don't actually work hard for it like they should.

They now wants to delete this system just so they can have a part of the cake again claiming it would be best for the community somehow while it clearly wouldn't be?


Everyone's profits went downhill since we've started it, I agree its annoying, mine included. Meaning costumers are left with more in their own pockets and not the sellers after all these years of INSANE profits.


Are you guys really voting to delete it for the so called *Community*?, or your own pockets thought?

Thought so...

 

Why charge people hundreds of dollars to swap a name?

You are doing it for profit, if you’re for the community as you’re vouching from the bottom of your would remove your 15-20% listing fee & swap fee & do it for free?

You’re very very contradicting… you claim sythe is a suspicious (shady) place which is x1000 the scale of your discord
Yet they should trust your discord? Also you refer them to so called “suspicious” site afterwards…….?? Are you going to sit them down & facilitate every off trade they make afterwards & walk them through all the ruling? I’m sure you’re or since you’ve mentioned countless times you don’t even have time for your own business.

Names are like cars, when you drive it off the lot the value cuts in half. Names can be looked at branding you’re buying something that MEANS something to you or represents YOU. It is not an investment unless you’re a flipper, but now having com sales makes everyone an “investor” or flipper by allowing an open trade market to be conducted hiding behind a name seller.

Edit: I’m not understanding taking this high horse stance when referring to “FOR THE COMMUNITY”
how long did it take you guys to add the Avoid list?
&
If I’m not mistaken… referring to banned/DNT users you were the first to list a banned/dnt users names the user “nfs”

 

1- Because it does in average do take 30-45 minutes of my time per transfer? Time is money for everyone, and I'm not charging hundreds of dollars like you're pretending, our lowest fee is 40m, which is literally 10.80$... Rest is 10% of the value, most names are around 1-2b. (200m = 54$ so your numbers are extremely off just to try and make your words/attacks look better here) Am I really ONLY in for the money if I'm spending 45 mins for a 10$ transfer? If you knew my actual yearly salary you wouldn't say so lol.

2- Yes ofcourse I'm doing it for profits, no1 is on Sythe just to help people. No-one will ever do all this for free. If I was PURELY ONLY for profits, I'd be against community-sales and go back to our regular 200-350% margins lol.

3- The way I built that sentence was probly mis-leading but yes for most people who are new to Sythe it does look extremely shady unfortunately, everyone had some horror stories from blackmarkets. When you know how to use Sythe and be Safe when trading, it's an extremely solid platform, but imposters/scammers has always been a headache as you know.

4- Names have never been like cars like you try and make people think, you don't even beleive your own words there lol. How much have names been going up ever since you joined? I used to sell 2 characters for 60m in 2018, they're now selling at 1.2-1.5b. Same with every single names you can think of. Every single years they went up beside past year ish (Due to new influx of names added to the market).

5- The avoid list was infact in my server before my first wipe (with 6'000+ members). When we re-made our discords I was trying to build a better platform to prevent hackers/snipers to re-sell their names. A Spreadsheet which everyone would have access, but only few name sellers could Edit it with proof of stolen name screenshots, UID of victim, date etc etc, but no1 else wanted to participate/help me in the process so I simply gave up, then few months later think you or assa mentioned we didn't have it so I re-added it.

6- If I remember correctly the NFS reports were not solid enough and he had paid back the owed money, correct me if I'm wrong. But yes I'd totally accept to add this as a new rule. You literally bought a fully known hacked name a month ago when it was freshly added onto avoid to try and re-sell for a quick few hundreds of dollars so idk why you're even trying to mention this in here LMAO.

 

You accept that we will take a 15% fee (10% transfer + 5% commission) for all names above 2b and a 20% fee (10% + 10% commission) for all names under. Minimum of 500m value.

^ this is directly quoted from your server. It makes you look really bad when your counterargument is a lie.
Don’t tell me the commission fee is different than the listing fee because there wouldn’t be a sale unless they accepted the fee being the higher %%

It’s weird you mention me buying a “hacked” even sythe mods couldn’t determine that?
Wasn’t Z*B*A hacked? Mhm who bought that ….. so let’s not talked about hacked name bud


So anyone reading this by Alex logic just keep holding your names! Those 1b names will be 150B soon! Hold strong boys

 

You said Yourself I was Charging hundreds to SWAP a name, you didn't mention Swap + Commission fee, but yes only transfers are 10% and add a 5% listing fee.

I've never bought that name you're mentionning above but thank you, your entire reply has nothing to do with the topic anyways at this point. Just offtopics as usual

 

This thread is about com sales, you’re for the community yet charging people’s hundreds of $$ of Mills to list & swap.
If my other sentences were not as clear, I hope this helps.
I never bought a hacked name either so what was your accusation based on? Pepeweird buddy keep trying tho

 

I bought that name @ beast. I was at work, driving and was hit up by a pm.
I didn't have the time to think on the avoid list we have used, so I had a 3rd party friend of the community help me pay and transfer while driving.
I would call that a blop, my mistake for not being able to show attention.
I paid the price, name was lost 2 hours later while I was still at work basicly. But I didn't throw no tantrum over this, obviously once I was informed of the information I knew I was at fault.

Alex, you don't spend 45 minutes on a transfer, I can't believe it. If it takes me 15 seconds to set up, 15 seconds to insure website MS and 15 seconds to do the transfer its not even a minutes time.

The conversation and walk through is overall what you make it.
Having a channel with a short guide on how to prepare for a name transfer and redirecting if they have issues all you have to do is add the person in-game, watch if name changes once and you get the details to perform it.

Its really damn simple, so you basicly charge 5% and 10% on lower tier names below 5b to just click "accept listing", just as much time it basicly takes to transfer you take another 10% and talk about what is good for the community?

I can see the difference if there was a "Offer" button, and yes there is a lot of dialogue and probably people who tries to accept or sell on commission sales that waste your time, that is unavoidable no matter what.

If you wanna make things easy for the community, and stop ripping off 1/5th of a names value for easy work just remove the commission sales or make it free. Offer the same for transfers.
I mentioned above im in for that? I came with examples that would benefit the actual community and not only the sellers, yet I see you talk about salary for some reason? Why does that have to be included, if you have a good salary you don't need the money so why are you against this? Several sellers want it gone, those that are actually active I presume.

And if its not about the money, please explain why a 2b listed name has a 20% commission and a 5b name has a 15% commission.

You won't let go of the community sales as the only person who actually runs one out of 3.
This is obvious why, you make money doing near nothing and its safe money. AND, you don't have the time you used to, nor the same "spark" for the "game of name trading".

People have changed from whatever you call a 300m purchase of a 2char. Nobody even tries to sell it for this anymore? You want to justify the fact that we are flipping with the risks we undergo such as a chainban of our collection? Nobody is forced to purchase anything at the set price if they don't feel like its worth their money. I have experienced that people come and buy shit from me for cheap after 1 years wait, and relist in community sales for higher like what the fuck? So I might aswell list everything with you, pay you 20% of everything and quit the market? It makes no balance in the market, it only makes balance in your passive income.

You wanna help the community, be fair and perform great customer service without it being for the cause of money?

Make transfers free of charge (optional if people want it insured)
You risk your money to insure a service, obviously 10% is a fair shot.
Make community sales free from the 5-10% or atleast change ALL to 1% total fee if you want some fair passive income. Optimize the bot and system to be more automated.
Make a tutorial on name pricings, I could volunteer and have this done with a few other sellers. Would probably undergo some sort of acceptance from every experienced name seller.
Make a tutorial on how to transfer names (a legit method not the ripoff amy made that would cause reCAPTCHA errors mid transfer and cause a name sniped)