Euthanasia

i HAVE posted this topic before but figured i might as well get SOMETHING started in here sooooooooo

Ok, first lets begin with the definition of Euthanasia,

Now lets for example take a person who is physically incapable of moving and their last wish is that the life they are forced to live where they can do nothing but think, cannot express opinions, speak, move or anything else. They express at some point in their life in a written/signed document that if they are physically incapacitated that they should be killed. This is that persons own wishes and yet it is illegal.

A person dealing with a terminal disease who is in that much pain that even painkillers cannot help them. They ask for someone to please put them out of the misery they are suffering because it is a constant pain so excruciating that they are in and out of consciousness every couple of minutes. Surely if they so wish to be killed to be out of this pain it is for their own good and THEY did concent to it.

In both of these circumstances the person would be unable to kill themselves as they can barely move. And if they have both agreed to it then why cant a person get them a lethal injection or any other type of drug which will not hurt but simply put them to sleep.

I believe that it should only be allowed if the chance f survival is under 15% and the person has consented to it CLEARLY and it has been witnessed by a lawyer or official of the law. They may then be attended too by a PROPPER nurse who would be trained to do this thus meaning that people do NOT have to take it upon themselves to kill their friends. But rather they can organise for it too all be done legitimately.

Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES is another person allowed to be killed however unless you have their direct consent. No-one can make the decision for them so if they are unable to signal in any way then unfortunately they would have to be left to die.

Do you think that in the ABOVE described circumstances Euthanasia should be legalised?? what is your viewpoints on it?

 

No.

...that people do NOT have to take it upon themselves to kill their friends. But rather they can organise for it too all be done...

That quote in itself, makes me wonder what are world is turning into. You're right, let's not let people kill their friends, let's organize it...

We as humans don't always make the brightest decisions, even if the person wanted to, EVEN THEY don't have the right to take their own life regardless of reasons.

 

I'd agree where you say that people do not have the right to take the life of their friends. But, I would say that they do have the right to take their own life. I mean, why wouldn't they?

 

euthonasia is wrong using the same thing as in suicide it isnt your body it is gods you are just using it and have no right to "organize death" unless it is of causes that god plans

 

We're a secular society, not a theocracy. In purely worldly terms, explain to me why it is absolutely morally wrong.

 

but what was this nation formed under??? it was formed as a christian nation and under christianity the body belongs to the lord meaning that it isnt your body and it is moraly wrong

ps to shredder- did u get my pm?

 

Absolutely wrong! It was founded as a nation where religion would NOT have an effect on the laws of the land, where one corrupted religion would NOT be able to force everybody else what to believe.

A large chunk of the Founding Fathers were Deists, which means that they believed in a Creator God, and nothing else.

If this nation was formed as a Christian state, it would explicitly state this in the Constitution, which it does not. As a matter of fact, it explicitly states that we are a secular state. And no, having basic moral rules that somewhat resemble the 10 Commandments does not make it a Christian nation. It means that we share morals.

 

our nation was formed under an econemy not religon, the body belongs to who is control over it (the person)

 

fno
when it was formed the religion it was formed under was christianity "in god we trust" "and to the republic of which it stands one nation under GOD indivisible"
the body belongs to the maker and you are just borrowing it and as a christian based country we stand under that

 

In God we trust? One God? You realize that these were added recently, right?

Please, tell me you're just joking, and are not actually serious. The First Amendment clearly states that there shall NEVER be any laws regarding an establishment of religion.

The Constitution also never mentions Christianity. Ever. If the United States was meant to be a Christian nation, it would be mentioned in the Constitution.

 

yea i sorta just realised that about recently being added but originally christianity was the religion in the country idk sarz for being ignorant to me i think the euthonasia is wrong for that reason however others have their own opinions lol sorry bout that

 

If you think that it's wrong for your religious beliefs, that's fine. However, there is no secular reason to forbid it.

 

i guess i wasnt entirely sure and believed that us was built under a religion n stuff but i guess thats just what came here lol but neway i didnt really think about it but machines and painkillers are unnatural ways to stay alive so the whole its not your body would have to say that they would have to die though

hey shredder is that an ok thread that i sent u

 

How if the person is mentally ill, but isn't diagnosed?

How if the person wants to die, and claims to be in pain just so he can be put to death?

How if a person is in jail, and wants the death sentence, but cannot get it and claims once again to be in extreme pain?

You can't actually prove whether someone is in absolute pain or not. There are ways, I will agree, that could sway you to real or faking, but there is no 100% guaranteed method of finding out.

Explain to me how those three above scenarios could be stopped, as they couldn't, therefore meaning, the law could be gotten around quite easily.

 

The chance of survival for someone in a coma, or someone with full paralysis easily exceeds 15%. But, from your initial description, you seem to think it should be legal.

I challenge your definition because that's really the most important point of contention. It's hard to find someone who disagrees that someone who lives in constant excruciating pain, in a permanent coma, with no chance of recovery and no effective medications, and whose dog just got run over by an 18-wheeler should be given the right to Euthanasia.

But, what would you have said to someone like Ramon Sampedro, a quadriplegic who was confined to a bed for 30 years not because he couldn't use a wheelchair, but because he thought it was debasing, and a poor substitute for life? Should he have had the right to Euthanasia?

If so, where do you draw the line? Is it the point at which someone no longer wants to live, or the point at which it's absolutely impossible for them to live? Who sets the standards of what an "acceptable" life is? If people make their own decision, should they be allowed to make it while depressed? (Given that many of the candidates for Euthanasia probably have some form of depression?)

I happen to agree that Euthanasia should be legal, but I think the issue is more complicated than you paint it.

Edit: Sorry if some of this has been said. I tried posting like 10 minutes ago, but I keep getting banned.

 

I feel that before any person commits suicide, they should have a psychological and medical evaluation. If they are insane, or otherwise mentally incompetent, then they should not be allowed to proceed.

If they're mentally competent, and do not have treatable medical depression, then I have no problem with it.

Yeah, I know.

I don't think that they need to be stopped.

 

So you're saying that it is perfectly fine for someone to fake having pain and be put to death?

If that is ok, then why aren't police-suicides ok? What I mean by that is that the person will purposely try to get shot by a police officer. Police at all costs will not shoot unless they are put in bodily harm, but if this law were to pass, as long as they said shoot me, the police should?

 

Well, if they take care of it themselves, I don't really mind.

Well, I think that police-suicides can tie up the legal system, as well as putting unfair pressure on an individual to kill another.

 

And having an individual killed illegally, because he's lying, is much, much better, right?

 

Well, not illegally, no. I just feel that suicide should be legalized.