Elite Dust / Hattez

tl;dr Hattez sold me $250 in amazon giftcards. Hattez told Elite Dust that he was buying the giftcards to buy a fishing pole when in reality he was selling them to me. Apparently the giftcards had a two week expiration date but hattez never mentioned this to me. Normal amazon giftcards do not have expiration dates so it was crucial for someone to tell me that these ones did. Elite Dust claims he told hattez multiple times but has no evidence of this because he says his TeamSpeak deletes all chat logs. Hattez claims Elite Dust never told him about an expiration date.

 

I've asked Chad/Elite dust multiple times to provide proof that he told Hattez that the GC had a "shelf life" of 14 days, but his excuse is "everything is done over voice."

My personal opinion is that Elite owes John $250 since Hattez was buying it for John (not to John; otherwise I would say Hattez is responsible) but John recognized that it was bought for him, not sold to him by Hattez so Elite Dust would be the one responsible.

 

Alright so I'll sum it up.

I sell Amazon Giftcards/Itunes on my own time outsite of Sythe. I sell on AlphaBay/Hackforums/and many other outlets.

When the opportunity comes, I like to help individuals. When people approach me and tell me that they want to buy their special loved one an anniversary gift but want to save money, I won't tell them no just because they are from Sythe. I sell already outside of Sythe where I have my own terms and service and nobody has jursidiction over me. I'm annoyed and didn't want to be dragged in a Sythe report but...Here I am.

So I'll sum up what happened.

- Hattez comes to me and asks me to buy $250 in Amazon Giftcards because he wanted to buy a fishing pole, I tell him sure (day before sold him $1,000 AGC so he can buy his wife a laptop).

>> I sell Hattez a $250 Amazon Giftcard, I tell him if the card works/if it was used to which he says "yes".

>> A month later John approaches me and tells me that the Amazon Giftcard got removed off his account. Asks for a refund to which I respond with "I never sold you a card".

>> Hattez ended up lying about using the card but instead of using it himself he sold it to John without letting me know.

>> The cards have a shelf life of 14 days and because I was unable to know that Hattez didn't actually use the card but gave it to John I was not able to tell John my terms or service nor inform him that the cards have a shelf life.

>> Hattez should be liable because he gave someone else my giftcard when it was intended for him to use it, he rather lied and gave it to JohnG.

>> I've sold Hattez like $4,000+ in Amazon Giftcards and on Day 1 told him how to use them. This was done on Teamspeak, that is where he approached me, I have no records of it. I don't need it either, Hattez brought a 3rd party in the trade and the trade went sour. His fault.


Extra info: I have 1,000+ offsite feedback and personally have had no cards go bad if the customer follows my terms. Just to put some Sythe members on the spotlight who know/have bought my cards and never ran into an issue:

@hattez @Dunworry @Jason @aed46 @BornWinner @NBD16


Note: I'm a man of principle and don't think a full refund from my behalf is warranted at all. Anyway $250 AGC was sold to Hattez for $175 which I said that I would be willing to pitch $75 to @John as he was the one who got fucked over and Hattez said he won't give John anything.

Oh and @John Today purchased $1,000 AGC off me (Trusted with $700). I am finishing his order tomorrow.

I'm out for the night - Elite Dust.

 

Posting to confirm I bought $1800 worth of Amazon Gift Cards from Chad and he warned me many times that they had a shelf life and needed to be spent quickly.

 

@hattez

 

Alright I've had enough of this. Stop fucking linking me to this
bullshit. I've told all 3 of you multiple times. John CAME to ME looking for Amazon gift cards: Gyazo - 48be828406a10f97c958a22a8cc58a98.png

Like a good friend I told him about Chad and his Amazon gift cards:
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John was fully aware where the gift cards where coming from. I did not profit from this arrangement at all. I was only trying to be a good friend: Gyazo - 820b0f59921095992d18475e9e531992.png

John believed chad wouldnt sell him the cards so I offered to BUY them for JOHN. I never profited or pretended like I was selling these. Like I told them 10x I was only trying to be a good friend and help: Gyazo - 7a748942edfd3e1a8cf832d218dd0c42.png Gyazo - c7ca73ce74c4ffdff8b16f03dfab4c6f.png

Proof that I told chad others wanted the cards and I was spreading the word for him:
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No fucking Idea why you idiots keep saying I lied to chad. I've bought tons of cards and honestly didnt care enough to find the screenies. Please tell me where and when I lied?
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Now Chad claims he told me about a 2 week shelf life. I honestly dont remember him telling me that and asked for him provide screenies. He's been unable to the entire time. Im not trying to rail road chad or john. This was honestly an unfortunate outcome. I've personally had the cards added to my balance for longer than 2 weeks with out issue: Gyazo - 403d0862f4fff4e7d8b59912a975de1a.png

I was never warned about the amounts being removed after 2 weeks or I would have never left amounts on my own fucking amazon account. Now the really shitty part is I've explained this to John and he still wants me to repay him. I'll say this now so everyone understands. Get fucked. I aint repaying shit because Im not responsible. Ban me if you feel otherwise.

 

With all due respect, I don't care John came to you asking for Amazon Giftcards, that isin't the problem. The problem is you never informed me that the cards were for John. Also your reason for not telling me that the cards were for John is because you believe that if you didn't buy them for him I wouldn't have sold them to him (No comment if I would have or not).

I understand you were trying to help John and do him a favor but doing so you now dragged me into this mess. This is why I hate it when people are not 100% transparent with me.


"Proof that I told chad others wanted the cards and I was spreading the word for him"
>> Completely irrelevant. Sure have 2-3 people wanting to buy from me not you buy them off me then go sell them to other people without informing me.

Also your Teamspeak screenshots are just time stamps of the day, no date at all. I've sold you AGC 10+ times so hell that screenshot could be a different transaction, I don't know.


I'm not saying you lied with malicious intent or anything but you bringing more parties in the trade you completely railroaded me. Not to mention you said you had used the cards yourself. I asked you if they worked/you redeemed to which you said yes.

@hattez I just want you to tell me what you would do if you were in my situation, you would feel the same way.

 

Yes originally I purchased 250 worth of amazon gift cards for John. 2-3 days later I informed you I bought them for John and he needed a lot more. I also gave John your skype and informed him I spoke with you. This way he could continue buying them himself as It was a pain in the ass dealing with you. (When I'd ask for cards and you'd tell me you have them yet everytime I tried getting them for 2-3 days you didnt have any) Thus the reason for informing both parties and exiting. I could waste my time going onto skype and finding the conversation where I tell john to contact you personally regarding this but im not. I've wasted enough time. Have a nice day

 

You never informed me that you bought them for John, all you said is "John needs Amazon Giftcards I gave him your Skype". Show me proof where you informed me that the cards were bought for John. Screenshots where you tell John to contact me have no importance, that's the not the problem I couldn't give a rats ass what you told John. I have a problem with you not telling me the cards were bought for John.

You've still yet to answer me by the way. I just want you to tell me what you would do if you were in my situation? Do you really think I'm responsible?

 

I never said anyone was responsible and YOU'VE yet to provide proof that the cards had a 14 day limit/warranty. In all seriousness that's the only thing of any importance. Not to mention I know I told you John bought the 250 in cards and needed more. You spoke with John and even knew he wanted more Amazon gift cards. Why wouldnt you tell him about it during all your convo's? I know both of you had contact because you told me John kept blowing you off and making you wait. Honestly I dont care who's responsible. It's not my money, It's not my fault and it's damn sure not my problem.

 

Hattez made the connection for you to purchase the cards and was not the individual actually selling them. You don't have a report against Hattez and your report against Dust sums up to not knowing about the balance expirations. Most of the report being x told me y but y didn't tell me this. Hattez failed to inform you the balances expired which he himself claims to be unaware. Providing there isn't (timely) proof to the contrary, there's nothing against him.

You can figure out any potential refund from Dust off of Sythe as he is a banned user; however, this seems to be miscommunication and nothing more. If a judgement were to be handed down (which it won't be), I would say something along 50/50 responsibility.

Anyway, unless Hattez deceived you (need proof), this report has no place here.

Closed.

 

Re-opened pending new information.

 

This is NOT true so I'd appreciate if you didn't close a report when you aren't fully aware of what happened. He did not "make the connection for me to purchase the cards." He bought them from chad and sold them to me. I didn't actually pay hattez for them for a week+ after he had bought them.

@Tmoe this is taken directly from Amazon's site:

Gift Cards issued after October 1, 2005 do not expire and may be redeemed for eligible purchases notwithstanding any stated expiration date.

How am I in the wrong for no one telling me that for some reason these particular cards will expire when amazon's site tells me that they should have no expiration date.

You're implying that I should take this off site because one of the people involved in the report is banned. No, that's not how this works. Elite Dust is still working on becoming a part of the community again and this report would be added to his ban reason if it's decided that he is liable for the repayment. I really don't care who repays me and I'd be fine with a 50/50.

@Any moderator looking for more inforamtion, message either me or Chloe on skype. We are both in the skype chat with Hattez / Elite Dust and all previous chat logs are made available to newcomers. Cheers!

 

Connection/MM, semantics, I know you didn't purchase them directly from Dust; however, you knew who you were indirectly purchasing it from. Hattez was simply the pass through and I think it sets a bad precedent of actively handling reports on Sythe users who have trades with banned users as they are banned. There is a difference between a cut-and-dry report a scam being added to a ban reason and a trade gone afoul due to incompetence after trading with users whom have already been removed from Sythe.

Hattez cannot inform you of something he does not know and there has yet to be anything definitively showing he was aware; therefore, it would fall on Dust to inform Hattez to inform you; however, Dust was unaware he was even selling the cards to you and claims to previously informed Hattez.

1. I stated why Hattez wasn't liable and his "side" of the report is closed.
2. This was not an outright scam; rather, miscommunication on all-sides involved.
3. That is why I don't believe this report has a place on here.
4. Your case is against Dust, it is not a case of out-right scamming, and a case against a banned user.

Staff resources can be better spent handling reports of actual on-site trades opposed to users whom decide to trade with banned users are their own discretion. With that in mind, I would rather the responsibility fall on the individuals trading with the banned/dnt users in situations like these; if this is not accepted, then I refer to a 50/50 split in a refund; however, I do not care to enforce the split, and would rather have it remain a "recommendation."

The above is my opinion and I will leave this open for staff member(s) to dissent or concur.

Also, lets not forget, we do not yet have proof of the claims.

 

How is this not a scam? Sure it's not "clear-cut" but yes it still is a scam. Amazon giftcards should NEVER expire but for some reason mine were removed from my account.

Edit: Although Elite Dust's teamspeak deletes all logs, Hattez's doesn't apparently. I've requested the chat logs from him.

 

Response from Elite Dust:

"Hattez never told me the cards were being resold to someone else, I was never able to tell the customer the T.O.S or teach him how to use them. I wasn't even aware that Hattez gave John the cards until this week (A month later) when they were expired. Also I don't give a fuck if Amazon says their cards never expire I literally will print out their terms and wipe my ass with them. I play by my own rules and my cards have a shelf life of 14 days, and all of you know dam well know that's why I'm selling them for 70% of face value."

 

I'd suggest a moderator asks hattez for his TeamSpeak chat logs from Elite Dust put into a pastebin. From there you can "ctrl f" anything.

 

I just gyazo'd a bunch of my logs for you. The reason you want this to fall on me is because you think I'll pay to make it go away. It's pathetic and down right scumbag. I clearly told Chad 2-3 days later the 250 was for you and you needed 1k more agc's. No where was any proof submitted showing me any fucking terms of service. I had no idea bro. I fucking told you I had no idea and I personally kept some past two weeks. You keep acting like I forced you to buy these... YOU came to ME. I didnt go looking for you to sell these. I didnt profit or gain anything from doing this. I was clearly just trying to help two people out. Chad was told 2-3 days later and given your information. The same fucking day I gave you chad's skype and told you to handle it. It's not my fault you two assholes dropped the ball for 2-3 weeks. You had both been in contact discussing the fucking next set of amazon gift cards you were buying. Stop acting like this just came outta no where. All parties were aware where the cards came from. All parties were in contact. I simply removed myself and went about my business.

Edit: Not only did I help find you these cards but I also paid for them. It took you nearly a week to pay me back. You kept coming up with excuses and I didnt need it right away so I didnt mind. God damn you're an asshole for acting like im responsible. You know me well enough to know If I made a mistake I would of repaid you outta my pocket. I've always taken ownership for my fuck up's and paid. I've never tried shifting blame or play the victim. I let the cards fall where they do and go about making it right. Always have and always will. This isnt on me and you know it. You're just scared chad wont repay u.

Edit: I request my name be removed from the title. It's clearly not me attempting to scam anyone. I have provided all necessary information needed. Admins have ruled I was not responsible and ask that my name no longer be attached to this pile of shit. Ty

 

I'm not trying to blame anything on you but you are the only one with the chatlogs saved so of course I'm going to ask you for them. The fact that you denied giving me the chat logs on the day that this shit went down originally and then today is a bit suspicious which I why I requested that a moderator reviews them.

 

Hattez does not want to show his chat logs with Elite Dust to moderators. Hmmmmmmm