Donald Trump bans transgenders from serving in U.S. military

Trump bans transgender people serving in the military

Donald Trump's reason:

What are your thoughts on the ban and his reasoning for the ban? Do you find it acceptable?

 

Transgender people only make up the T in LBGT (might want to re-title.), I think largely this will have little to no affect on the any of the military branches. I don't foresee many trans people, especially male to female people wanting to participate anyways. Seriously though this was/is an incredibly stupid decision on Trumps part, lots of controversy on what was a non-issue before being addressed publicly.

 

Well said. He is addressing something which is almost non existent and at the same time creating controversy.

 

I'd he's testing the water with how many people are going to protest and fight against it ... He doesn't give a shit at the end of the day the Agenda is already set for world "governence" I can give you original copies of Agenda 21 from the United Nations it you would like , and if you automatically rebuked what I just said then you probably shouldn't bother. Your brain conditioning is perfect not to rationally debate without questions.

 

If someone wants to fight for their country, I think it's an egregious infringement on that freedom to take away the opportunity. The military has medical coverage, leave of absence protocols, and other such measures for a reason. If the biggest reason for this decision is "because trans personnel require too much medical maintenance" (implying they require more than the average soldier), then surely reducing the leniency on medical coverage, leave of absence, etc. would solve that problem without affecting the majority of non-trans personnel.

 

I don't think we should be enriching and almost encouraging transgender in society, it's a mental illness and should be treated as such.

But if it isn't really impacting on someone to defend their country, then I don't see why this decision has been made.

 

It isn't.

 

It's not a mental illness lol.

 

They are mostly talking about what if they are in battle and they cant get their medication they would go through withdraws and could harm them. Its not just cost. They are just trying to protect them selfs from being sued. You have to be non-bais here and think about the entire picture. YEs they want to fight for their country but they are also being a bother. TBH just serve first then be transgender when you get out. That how i see it. If you really love your country that much you will put your ideals aside for a while.

 

And those with mental illnesses? Substance addictions? Chronic afflictions?

 

Lol your making this to easy

Mental illnesses = you cant join lol

Substance addictions = if it drugs you cant join and youll be kicked out

Chronic afflictions = most the people get an honorable discharge are you just saying stuff to troll or you legit stupid haha

 

I was military and there were plenty of folks with mental illnesses and still enlisted. Plenty of people addicted to alcohol and nicotine and perscription pain killers and still enlisted. Plenty of people with chronic pains or conditions ranging from dietary to muscular who didn't get an honorable discharge, and were told to "suck it up".

You clearly don't know what you're on about so there isn't any point in arguing

 

Does being transgender not fall under gender dysphoria? I think anyone should be able to serve in the military if they are capable. With that being said, isn't the suicide rate a lot higher for people who are transgender? Mix that with the already high veteran suicide rate..

 

"there were plenty of folks with mental illnesses and still enlisted" first of no there isnt because the military takes strict guidelines and stops people from being mentaly ill in the military.

Alcohol is something you can drink when your 21. You can drink it as much as you want get drunk as much as you want but when your working. You can not be drunk so no argument there

Nicotine is just smoking lol it not substance abuse. That like saying water is substance abuse.

People like painkillers because they are no in pain. Guess what if im in pain ima take some pain killers.

Can you not take up anymore of sythes storage pace with your dumb post legit everything you write is so dumb its hard to read its like you came from watching the major news network and they said H20 is bad for you and your like damn no one drink h20 you can get addicted to it and then go drink water. Your post are crap dude just turn your computer off because your brain cant handle the internet no wonder why your an x-mod you might have a mental illness your self

 

Every failed barrage on enemy forces accounts for 10 years of transgender related costs.

 

I think that everyone should have the opportunity to serve there country. Even people with mental illness with the exception that they don't get deployed and have the mentaly strong be deployed so that there isn't any mental illness complications during deployment operations. Just my humble opinion.

 

Sure, but calling it that (gender dysphoria) would be applying a Western construct (a term itself a construct); not anything universally true.

Many societies today term illness what in other societies has (or has had) a very particular role (cf. androgyny in the Zuni culture, for example, or peoples of Bali).

Transgender's emerging prevalence in places like the United States is a pretty complicated topic. Reducing (often times very uninformedly) to mere illness does little to understand it, let alone resolve the innumerable problems that stem from treating it as such.

I don't know the stats, but it shouldn't be surprising if it's true that suicide rates are higher among the transgender, and if they are, the sort of exclusion (which is blatantly absurd) enacted by the president I don't think will help at all.

 

Being transgender isn't a mental illness. Even it was, you can serve with a mental illness.

The simple solution here is, if it's about money, to say that we won't be paying for their transitions. But no, Trump goes and TWEETS, like he always does, about a policy that isn't even an official policy /yet/, and says that they won't be able to serve in "any capacity." Why?

As far as I'm concerned, there are thousands of transgender service members, not to include the thousands more who aren't open about it, who are currently serving their country at their own sacrifice, willing to die for the Constitution and their country, by their President's hand. And he wants to ban transgender people while they're able bodies willing to do what I've said.

A transgender person is offering their life and time to be trained as an asset to the United States, just as anyone else, be it a Navy Seal or a Intelligence Specialist. Everyone is a part of the mission. It doesn't matter what their gender is, or isn't.

Not all transgender people want to transition. Many don't even want hormones. Regardless, if a transgender person were off their hormones because war time prevented them from getting/using them, they wouldn't die. This doesn't make them any less of an able body.

Also, you can be depressed and be in the military and on medication x, y, and z, and still be deployable.

Transgender people commit suicide because they're bullied and denied and rejected. Allowing them to serve and giving them a job, a home, money, and a purpose, is quite the opposite. I don't see a transgender person with all of that, committing suicide unless they're being rejected in their own home (the military). The military is something you can't escape due to a legal contract with the government. Banning them from the military? Yeah, good job.

 

Yes but we are talking about the US military so I'm going to assume western constructs are appropriate. To call yourself transgender, at least in western culture, you must be associating yourself to a social construct "guy" or "girl", or I guess now even the many other what some would call "genders". Personally to me the idea of gender is weird. I think it is ok for people who know 100% what they want, but in reality there are still a lot of transgender people who suffer post op depression and regret because they rush into transition. I feel like western media isn't willing to acknowledge that the subject is complicated and ongoing and needs to be studied more to ensure transgender people can fit naturally in society. I feel like they are just pushing this blanket of blind acceptance and the outcome is people rushing into transition before they really know what they want. I agree that military exclusion is the wrong way to go about it.

 

Ok. But the US military is composed of people from not only the US.

It really is a very complicated topic, gender especially, very much in need of serious attention, instead of the watered down type it gets in mainstream media - but then, watered down attention and mainstream media seem to be inextricable...