Does God exist?

Actually you're wrong

A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather than Nothing - Lawrence M. Krauss

This book clearly demonstrates the science between nothingness and existence. To dumb it down for you, gravity is a constant even in "nothingness" and the effects of anti-gravity produce matter AND the conservation of energy is not contradicted.

 

Voted no. The world is way too harsh and real for a god to exist, why allow all this useless suffering when you can change all that with a snap of a finger. I always felt that god is only something made up to explain things that we don't understand. Nobody will believe in god anymore when we understand the universe.

 

You've misunderstood. I'm applying pragmatism to basically say we must take a leap of faith in all matters of our lives and belief that the door is really a door or else we would not be able to function. I am stating that the belief in god is the same and even though it is impossible to actually know whether or not one exists, we should choose a side anyways.

If you accept that the Bible is a work of man then you run into the issue that it has no more spiritual meaning than Harry Potter.

 

Yes he does, saw him yesterday.
I believe in multiple gods, since one god couldn't handle all the people on this planet, now if there is only 1 god, then you may that he has angels to help him, but that makes the question, do angels excist?

 

I'm referring to the contradiction in the postulation of God. Supposing there is such a thing as God and s/he is indeed the Creator of all that exists, might it not be possible that men have deliberately altered their interpretation of God to fit their own needs or rationalize their actions.
It's realize it's speculative, but it isn't unreasonable. After all, a good portion of all organized religion does have at least some history of either greed or corruption.

 

the question is too broad. You need to define "god". God could represent whatever created us in general. I could refer to the big bang as god. I could refer to ANY idea behind the "creation" of the universe as god. ... so I cannot really answer the question accurately due to the unspecified nature of the god you speak of.

if you mean strictly in a religious (organized) sense, then probably not.

 

Since 'God' is capitalized, I would assume it is the God in Abrahamic religions.

I linked this video in another thread about the beginning of the universe or something a while ago (needless to say it didn't go anywhere, this being Sythe SFA). It's a fairly interesting piece with loads of good information to slightly shed light on what Krauss' book is about (I assume - I haven't actually read it. I'll see if I can find it from somewhere though)

This is basically what you're saying, presented in a funnier manner.


As for the actual topic, I did not vote. It is because I do not give a shit. Whether or not there's a god or gods, none of it matters to me. But, it certainly seems like there was no need for a first cause, or a god in the process how our universe and us were formed. There are still some unknowns, but unless an attribute of our universe prevents us from knowing them, we'll eventually get there. i went on a wild tangent again

As Richard Dawkins said, we're all atheist towards most gods, some of us just go one god further.

i don't know why i'm posting it's 3 am and i slept five hours last night

 

omg its 12 yes 12 no 0o this is wierd

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In which case, this is not the non-believers fault. Theists created a hypothesis, we gave reasons why we think it's incorrect.

This is possible, BUT conversely, he cannot be the creator of all that exists. This is a contradiction because if he exists, existence already exists, so he cannot create what already exists.

What you're saying is possible, but there must be some parameters.

This God must be logically possible, it cannot be omnipotent, etc.
This God must exist, and be observable in the Universe.
This God must be secondary to the primary existence.

Now, if there is any solid evidence that this being exists, all atheists would become theists.

 

Right, I didn't mean to imply that atheists were at fault for that.

Yeah at this point we'll have to delve into a more philosophical (and far more speculative) discussion, in which we'd have to be willing to consider all possibilities.

(and, I'm gonna have to speak out of my own personal perspective to address your points)

I just can't come to accept the idea of ex nihilo. I cannot bring myself to believe we spawned from nothing. That being said, if everything needs to have been created by something (whatever it may be), then that means that what we call our Universe was not the beginning of existence, right? There must've been another sort of Universe, reality, dimension, or whatever you want to call it, before our own, out of which our Universe, and by extension, life as we know it came to be. But because we don't know what lies beyond our own Universe, nor is it realistically possible for us to ever find out, there's no way to come to an absolute conclusion on this.

1. Would you agree that when it comes to discussing the origins of the Universe, there's the possibility that the truth is something we as humans are incapable of logically comprehending?

2. (Sort of continuation of the first point) Humans exist on a microscopic level in the Universe, and whether we truly have a purpose for being here or not is entirely unknown. What we do know is that we're here, we're aware, and perfectly bound to our place in the Universe. So we'll go about life, questioning our existence as much as we want, but never fully understanding it.

The comparison I like to make is how the cells and bacteria in our bodies commute throughout it unaware of what exists in the world outside, yet they exist almost perfectly inside of us (perfectly enough to give us life). They too are bound to their place in the "universe" of our bodies, unable to escape it by their own will. In fact in the grand scheme of things, we have about as much free will as the cells inside of us. Regardless, just because the organisms inside of us can't see us or the world around us, doesn't mean we don't exist.

3. Agreed

Out of curiosity, don't you think it would be too late for conversion at that point? What I mean is, supposing this God was one who expected faithful devotion, don't you think someone who converted only after witnessing the truth firsthand would be condemned to some sort of punishment? This isn't directed just at you malak, but at any atheist who'd like to answer.


I'd probably be condemned as a non-believer, seeing as I don't have a firm theological stance, even though I do acknowledge the existence of a higher power.




Sorry if I'm rambling or if I'm not getting my points across clearly. I don't usually have the opportunity to discuss these sorts of things (though I think about them frequently), so I'm still trying to organize my thoughts coherently in writing.

 

In simplest terms this is why i do not believe in god.

 

I know, just saying that we can only work with the tools thrown at us.

For this issue, definitely!

Put it this way. We know that existence exists. We know that no existent can create existence. A beginning of existence implies a creator of existence, but this is a fundamental contradiction.

x exists.
x was not created.

All that's missing is a conclusion.

There can only be one existence, so there can't be two universes or two realities. It's a contradiction to say that there are two totality of all existences, because by definition they encompass each other.

Nothing lies beyond our universe insofar that it is defined as all of existence. What could possibly exist outside of existence? Nothing!

Truth implies knowledge. Knowledge about existence can be attained by man through the application of reason. In principle, we must be capable of logically comprehending the origins of existence.

In principle we can understand everything about existence. We gain knowledge about existence by simply observing it and reasoning. We can gain all knowledge about existence by simply observing all of existence, and doing a hell of a lot of reasoning.

You can only comprehend what you have the capacity to comprehend. Knowledge is objective. It comes down to whether you agree that humans have the capacity to obtain such knowledge. I contest that we do.

I thought God was all forgiving... Nevertheless, God knows what I am doing, God has the power to control what I am doing, yet he lets me continue what I'm doing and then punishes me in eternal hell not long after proclaiming to be the lover of all humanity?

 

But God isn't supposed to be bound by logic, correct?

 

To be honest The question is just all up stupid. Everyone will have there own beliefs according to my religion There is one God I am Muslim for those who wonder. But this answer will differ for every religion and belief

 

Conceptually, God tends to be illogical, yes.

How do you know there is one God?

 

That is a common argument but it just doesn't make any sense. It means that whatever is said about god does not matter as you can not make any arguments about god unless he is logical. God loves you. Well if he doesn't have to follow logic that means nothing. He could love you more than anything else but torture you and laugh at your face. Any labels we give him don't matter since logically he doesn't need to follow them since he isn't bound by it. It makes absolutely no sense and thus I don't believe it's valid.

 

At the same time, God isn't supposed to be like any of his creatures, so even if he were a logical entity, then he wouldn't actually be... God.

 

the fact that multiple beliefs of Gods (religions) exist, proves uncertainty in EVERY single one of them... which is simply more evidence to support the lack of ANY God...especially one defined by any man. Not proof...but evidence.

 

I do believe God exist.

Now, this God that we speak of may not be like what we think it is. God may be a more technological advance race that created Mankind. So looking at this way, our God are Aliens.

The many version of gods we see here are just human perception of the almighty. As we know, religion existed very early and as primitive people we like to explain strange phenomenal and sightings as the work of a higher being.

And as String theory is trying to proof there are many dimensions, I do think that this Almighty is in one of that dimensions and only our soul/spirit can connect to that "Spirit" Dimension.

 

No.

There's thousands of religions, all having different and similar God's. They contradict their beliefs, texts, etc. The believers themselves are huge hypocrites.

I think the idea of God has and still been only used as a weapon.

God is as real as Santa Claus. Its something said to keep us in line. Nothing more.

All religion has to go off is its own texts and blind faith.