Do you HONESTLY believe in God?

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Do you HONESTLY believe in God?
  1. Unread #501 - Nov 25, 2017 at 4:15 PM
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    Do you HONESTLY believe in God?

    Ok. Where is the evidence of this power source?

    Scientific evidence, please.

    Probably because a lot of people are lazy. Yes, you give me a lot of answers, but what evidence are they based on?

    It's a debate forum, so of course I'm trying to refute your answers. So far, though, I haven't done very much refuting - I've just been questioning your claims. If you don't have any evidence, your claim doesn't have to be refuted - it's baseless.

    I 100% agree on the effects of serotonin...but how exactly is that proof of anything? All you said is that when the pleasant effects of over-eating wear off, reality comes crashing back down. Unless I'm misunderstanding you?

    My guess would be that you used your own mind to think of the answer? The same way that I did?

    Your heart is literally just a biological machine. All it does is pump blood. That's why people can survive when a machine pumps their blood for them, or if they get a heart transplant, etc.

    Of course I haven't provided evidence on any of your claims! All I'm doing is questioning them! I've said this before, but you're either not understanding, or glossing over it. What sort of evidence are you asking of me for questions?

    That is absolutely incorrect. Why on Earth would knowing how something works mean 100% mastery over it? As an example, we know why the moon rotates around the Earth, but that doesn't mean that we can stop its rotation.

    You explained the concept well enough, I agree that you understand how it works. Yet if science didn't tell you how it works, what did?

    I don't understand what you mean by this.

    Sorry, but God placed a barrier where?

    No, I agree that you've answered all of my questions, but having an answer doesn't guarantee that it's the right answer. Again, all I've done is question your responses.

    I promise you, and everybody else, that I'm not trying to mislead anybody intentionally. Personally, I'm not very good at lying to myself, so if I thought that God did exist, I would embrace him fully. I appreciate your posting here, of course, but I'm not yet convinced by your responses.

    All right, fair enough.

    I understand what you're saying, I think. I don't think I'm being influenced by the devil, but then again, if I was, I'm guessing I wouldn't know, right?

    I promise you that I'm not angry at all. There aren't many things that make me angry, apart from people slurping their coffee.

    I'm glad to hear that, and I assume you didn't mean that condescendingly. :p

    Okay, fair enough.

    I have posted in this thread a lot, but I can't remember ever saying that any of your claims were incorrect without backing it up with evidence. If I did so, can you link it? I'll try to explain to the best of my ability.

    All right. If I have ever flat-out claimed that you're wrong without any evidence, I'll retract that. Evidence is important to me.

    Fair enough, I apologize.

    Maybe there was a misunderstanding, but you had said previously:

    "scientists have confirmed that human beings radiate light, where does the light come from? the absorption of the sun? No that's incorrect because it has to be internal, the light comes from your essence in meaning the soul."

    I suppose that I was trying to clarify that we don't radiate light (since light is only a tiny part of the electromagnetic spectrum), we radiate blackbody radiation, like every other object in the universe with a non-zero temperature. So ultimately, I was trying to argue against your point that we radiate because we have a soul - we radiate because of our temperature.

    I'm glad. I try not to let my emotions get the better of me, but if I do, please let me know.

    Well, maybe. What do you think about two atheists having a happy, successful relationship?

    That's definitely true. I'm a white European guy so I haven't experienced any of that sort of hate first-hand, but it's absolutely abhorrent.

    That's a fair point, but I don't understand why a loving God would make animals have the capacity to suffer. For example, if a lion kills a gazelle in Africa, that gazelle suffers tremendously. Why? What benefit does that give me?

    Well, in the post I was replying to, you said this:

    "Yet we share no common ground with chimps, except desires and the hair strands, the DNA match is from the hair, as it is the closest to the human, and that is where the misconception stems that we have evolved or adapted from apes, which is completely not true, since to evolve or adapt, takes growth or consciousness, to see reasoning, yet they don't have this, they have there common emotions and that is what they judge off."

    But putting that aside, my worldview would agree with yours, but for different reasons. In my worldview, we share similarities with all animals because we ARE animals.

    Humans 10-15 meters long? I haven't heard of this before. Do you have a credible source on that?

    I'm sorry. I only post here a few times a week, and the thread is a bit long, and truly, I do have a poor memory (recovering alcoholic). I agree that it looks fishy, absolutely, but I honestly don't remember your original claims.

    That's fair enough. I'll scroll through the thread for your original post.

    Ah, that I agree with. What I was asking, though, was in response to this particular part of your claim:

    "their is a substance trying to change the brain pattern, hence why the heart is trying to restore balance"

    It seemed like you said that the heart was trying to restore balance to, presumably, the brain, to combat the effects of the substance. That's what I was asking how you knew that the heart was trying to restore balance.

    Well, not necessarily. Somebody with a healthy heart can still die of a stroke, cancer, etc. But that's more of a side point.

    Interesting. What evidence is there for this? Because again, there's bound to be some secret government agency that would pay millions/billions for its agents to be able to withstand torture.

    But you said:

    "I have provided you with so much evidence, it is you who has nothing to show for it, you will and can not win, so your trying to turn it back on me, it won't work, you will look like a fool, I already know the outcome of this argument, Good luck though I applaud you for trying."

    Do you have evidence or not?

    All knowledge is from scriptures? Okay, that is interesting, to be sure. May I ask what parts of scripture speak about atomic fission, Keynesian economics, the internet, artificial intelligence, etc.? If scripture and/or the messengers speak clearly about these subjects, I'll retract all of my prior claims.

    Okay. Here's what you said:

    "Everything you have said is incorrect, the tectonic plates move in essence because of water flow, rising or lower each year which causes the distinction of the tectonic plates moving"

    To which I respond:

    How Earth's Plates Move Lesson #3 | Volcano World | Oregon State University

    What is this "something big"?

    Well I suppose that makes sense, but this thread is about whether or not God exists, not the consequence of God's existence.

    Why would that prove that God doesn't exist? You could simply ask your mother how you were born.
     
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    Do you HONESTLY believe in God?

    You ask me for scientific evidence yet, science hasn't even figured it out, and can't comprehend so I give you examples to allow you to understand how it works, you ask me for proof provide me with the proof to show me what functions the body, because once the heart has stopped the body dies, but what leaves the body upon death, it makes me think what is powering it? You give me the answer.

    It's funny how you ask for scientific evidence, when you are the evidence, the examples are for your self to reflect if you can't see past that, who's problem is it?

    The evidence is based off human subjects, which experiment is the most successful?

    That is fine but when you refute you have the answers to what your refuting, your just saying scientific evidence please, or link a site to a university that claims this is how it works, with no demonstration, yet I explained to you how it works, and challenged anyone to prove me wrong, if they can I will redact what I am saying, it's that simple.

    The point im trying to make is that because of the serotonin being produced, it grants that person temporary relief, out of the depression they are in, but what I am try‌ing to say is God teaches control, and provides permanent relief to all your problems, thus causes you not to indulge in temporary solutions.


    Again no it's not, I have given you all the proof to show you how it works, if the heart is open, then you use your upper brain, if it's blind you use the reptilian brain as they call it, this is why society is so damaged and unable to differentiate between truth and fiction.

    Your questioning my claims, but every time I answer your question, you dismiss it or straight up just say it's wrong, then ask for evidence when I provide it to you, you then question the evidence, doesn't seem much like a debate more like a person, trying to reply because he can't let his pride go.

    Understanding how something works grants you the ability to re-create the scenario, it's like a mechanic do you think he can build an engine without understanding it's mechanism/how it works?



    Like I said its inspiration from God and reading and studying Gods word, I can explain it in a much precise way, but I will keep it simple due to not being in a scientific debate, can if you would like to know more.

    What I mean by this is everything has to be expanded at the same time other wise it will cause a collapse, that is why everything is aligned perfectly.

    The barrier is placed on the heart. Once you die it is lifted.

    I understand your questioning my responses but anyone with a logical mind can see the sense in what I am typing, and can understand that the knowledge that God has allowed me to give is much greater than human comprehension is what I am trying to get at.

    Each has there own choice, but like I said call out to God and ask him to grant you understanding, you might find you will understand my posts much easier/better.



    I'm glad you see the funny side of things, except most people being influenced by the devil won't realize it until, they have experienced the other side of the spectrum, if you learn how to differentiate right from wrong, you will also be able to realize it.

    *Slurp* *Slurp* lol.


    I'm not talking about my claims, I prove my claims with examples but I am talking about my questions, I would like for you to go back and read some of the questions I have posed for you to answer, if you still have a hard time I will quote them in my next post.

    I applaud that.


    But what is radiation? Radiation is our energy, and our energy comes from where? The transmission of energy is the power source (Soul), which provides the power needed to withstand our existence, which in form is light. This is why to get an invisible object you have to remove it's reflection of light.


    Will do next time.

    A successful/happy relationship is built on a successful/happy foundation, the Prophet (PBUH) has taught his nation this foundation, if they choose to follow it they will achieve happiness and success.

    On that topic why do we slaughter sheep/cows/chickens to eat their meat? Do they not suffer? What I am trying to say is God has created the animals as sustenance, lions also need sustenance, the lion kills the gazelle because this is his sustenance, the suffering that the gazelle received is because if the gazelle never felt pain, would it run, or would it just allow it's self to be eaten? It is their as a protective mechanism if it wasn't there how many things would go extinct? Ultimately we all have to die, and God has willed the death of this gazelle to be eaten, there is much more benefit to why this is there, if you'd like for me to extend on this response do let me know.

    If the heart is open, then you use your upper brain, if it's blind you use the reptilian brain as they call it, this is why society is so damaged and unable to differentiate between truth and fiction.

    This is why, there is no self control. There hearts are blind. We have the choice to choose which way we go.


    5-Meter Tall Human Skeleton Unearthed in Australia

    Here's one, I will look for more and update you with the links as I find them.


    Sorry to hear may God make it easier for you. I truly hope you get the help you need.

    Thank you.

    It relays a message to the brain to signal the immune system to fight off the intruder, thus causing your heart rate to go up, and allowing your blood pressure to rise, if the heart never relayed that signal would the brain know what the problem is?


    That is true what I mean by this is that if the heart is healthy the whole body is healthy, if the heart is diseased the whole body is diseased, on the side note: This just means their time to die is up and God has promised the angel of death he will cause the human being to die in such a way to not allow the angel of death to be hated by Humans and Jinn.

    Numbness is produced when the body can't tolerate it's pain it either goes into shock/passes-out or a different phase, the different phase is that if you control your heart you can withstand the pain to produce Adrenalin, which causes your brain to switch off its pain receptors and you adjust to the pain, there is more to it, but i will leave it there.

    My evidence is the knowledge I have relayed in my other posts and this posts also this:

    https://www.quranandscience.com/quran-science/sunnah-science

    My evidence is your self, my conclusion is your self, pay attention to all the details in your life, and reflect upon it, then I ask you to reflect upon what I have said, I guarantee the evidence will be in front of you.

    I ask you one question how can the universe exist in such perfect synchronization without an eternal being who holds the knowledge of how to execute it in such a perfect manner?

    I refer you to here:

    https://www.quranandscience.com/quran-science/sunnah-science

    I also ask you to take a quick google search the terms you have asked for and you will find scripture/hadith references, I'd like for you to do some home work :).

    Like I have stated the magma flow underneath the earth is their to build mountains to withstand the expanding of the earth, it doesn't mean the mountains are causing the plates to move, it is strengthening them for when the water rises from when it was swallowed by the earth.

    It might seem like it's the mountain but really is the current of the water flow and the expanding of the earth allowing the water to rush out in a gasp causing friction, which causes the plates to move.
     
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    Do you HONESTLY believe in God?

    Nope I honestly do not.
    I believe what I see and where confirmed proof for is.
     
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    Do you HONESTLY believe in God?

    think of it like God is part of the creation of the Universe, right ? So if we are also part of the creation of the Universe why can't we claim ourselves as Gods ? Each Soul of Each Living Being is capable of every single power of the Earth while we live down here :D

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    Do you HONESTLY believe in God?

    No that’s not right, God is eternal while you are not, God has no limits while you do, God has all knowledge while you don’t, the creation is limited the creator is not, so there for, NO, God is not apart of his creation.
     
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    Do you HONESTLY believe in God?

    No. We are meaningless atoms flying through a meaningless void.
     
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    Do you HONESTLY believe in God?

    You're avoiding the question. Please provide any evidence that you're able to.

    I don't understand what you mean.

    All I want is scientific evidence.

    Okay, I understand what you're saying, but you said that this was proof of something. The way that you just explained it makes it sounds like your perspective/opinion, not proof of anything

    No, you haven't given any proof, at all. All you've done is provide your opinions. What I'm asking for is very clear - scientific evidence. If you can provide it, great. If you can't, then your arguments are unsubstantiated.

    You need to know how something works in order to build it, but that doesn't mean that knowing how something works gives you power over it. As I said in my last post, we know how the moon orbits the Earth, but we don't have the power to stop it.

    I would like to know more, if you don't mind. Does that Qu'ran talk about the water cycle in scientific terms?

    Why do you think everything has to expand at the same time?

    Ah okay, thanks.

    My grandmother still says the same thing to me. She tells me to say "Lord, I believe, help my unbelief". Is the phrasing similar in Islam?

    Lol, maybe one day I'll realize it.

    Okay, I will do so.

    No, radiation is definitely not our energy, radiation is actually harmful to life. Radiation is just photons - their wavelength is what makes them harmful. Radiation with a wavelength of 400-700 nanometres is visible light, which isn't harmful, but if you increase the wavelength, you end up with x-rays and gamma rays, which can be incredibly harmful since they pack much more energy.

    They absolutely do, that's what made me stop eating meat temporarily a few years ago.

    That's a fake article, it was a mammoth skeleton that they found.

    Mammoth skeleton found near Paris shows connection with early humans – video

    Thank you.

    Okay. How does the heart relay that message to the brain? Is it through the nervous system, or is it a chemical that's secreted?

    If somebody with a healthy heart can die from something else, I don't know what you mean by "if the heart is diseased the whole body is diseased".

    In my experience, most of the "scientific miracles" in the Qu'ran are simply bad interpretations. I'll explain why using the first few examples that website provides.

    "You see the believers as regards their being merciful among themselves and showing love among themselves and being kind to each other, resembling one body, so that, if any part of the body complains, the whole body shares (Tada`a) the sleeplessness (insomnia) and fever along with it."

    Yes, obviously if one part of you is sick/injured, your whole body reacts. We've known this since prehistoric times - if somebody cuts their foot and gets an infection, of course it affects your whole body. This is not miraculous knowledge whatsoever.

    "If you hear of an outbreak of plague in a land, do not enter it; but if the plague breaks out in a place while you are in it, do not leave that place." The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "If you hear of an outbreak of plague in a land, do not enter it; but if the plague breaks out in a place while you are in it, do not leave that place."

    We have known that proximity to sick people causes sickness for thousands of years.

    "Whoever takes a piece of land of others unjustly, he will sink down the seven earths on the Day of Resurrection.” (Saheeh Al-Bukhari, ‘Book of Oppression."

    Depending on how you define "layers", the planet can have anywhere from 4 to 50 layers. It's a definitions game. That said, Earth is generally considered to have 4:

    BBC - GCSE Bitesize: The structure of the Earth

    I'm happy to examine the rest of the links that that website provides, if you wish. I figured that 3 was a good start.

    I think you and I have very different definitions of "evidence". For me, evidence is scientific, something that can be tested and measured.

    The universe doesn't operate in perfect synchronization...what makes you think that it does?

    I couldn't find anything about atomic fission, Keynesian economics, or the internet.

    I will gladly do so.

    Water has no involvement when it comes to mountain formation. The only relevant factor is tectonic plates pressing against each other - water doesn't come into play at all.

    What do you mean by "the expanding of the earth"?
     
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    Do you HONESTLY believe in God?


    I am not avoiding the question I am answering your question with examples that you can relate to, after all anyone can write anything, they can be corrupt, they can be paid off, if you can't confirm it your self how will you know? I am giving you the confirmation to look at your past experiences and relate to what I am saying.

    Scientific evidence isn't a means of 100% accuracy if it was they would be able to re-create the world and human beings, which they can't.


    The proof is by eating in excess you gain temporary relief while with god its permanent relief.

    Not opinions examples, there is a huge difference, everything I have said can be related to an incident in your life, its up to you to find which one. This is what I mean by your misunderstanding me. Your not comprehending what I am saying.

    Of course it does, if you know how everything works, and hold all the power over that instrument then you have ultimate power over it, because your programmed the way you were built, I think that is pretty self explanatory.

    Over course you don't have control over it, because you didn't create/build it, if you did then you would be able to command it/re-program it to your will, make sense?

    Here you go:

    Islam Guide: The Scientific Miracles in the Holy Quran

    It has to otherwise it will collapse, if one side is over proportioned if it expands to much, and is to heavy on one side it will fall. It's simple mathematics.

    No it's Oh God, grant me guidance. and allow me to remain on the straight path.


    Again what is energy? answer the question it will give you the answer to what I am saying.

    That is your common preference and your feelings, its the same concept with the animals.

    I will find others when I have more time, am very busy these days.

    Again this all took place 1400 years ago, so there not, how could anyone have this knowledge that long ago? Also relate to this site it explains things better. Please go on I can answer the misconceptions you may see, if you'd like.

    Islam Guide: The Scientific Miracles in the Holy Quran

    Read this:

    Chapter 01: Heart-Brain Communication - HeartMath Institute


    Again look here it should answer your question: Islam Guide: The Scientific Miracles in the Holy Quran

    Also who said it doesn't, and how can you prove it doesn't?

    Again it does, it seems like this is going no where, I explained that the formation of the mountain is by using lava and water and forming, but the waters pressure causes the plates to move the tectonic plates, if the lava and water didn't form to create the roots, the earth could be destroyed.
     
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