Do you HONESTLY believe in God?

Still wish i could believe in god tho imagen having that comforting feeling of knowing there something there when you die

 

I'm sure there are. I'm not one of them.

I've never met a person who thinks that the universe was a coincidence.

That's fine, but that argument assumes that everything does have a soul. If you're trying to prove that God exists by using souls as an argument, stop, and prove that souls exist first.

Yes, a better explanation is absolutely needed. Your argument assumes that they couldn't move without God's permission, but what we're actually debating here is whether God actually exists or not. Here, you're assuming God's existence to PROVE God's existence. Do you see the contradiction?

This is 100% incorrect. All decisions come from the brain. This is obvious when you see that people with brain damage are impaired in their ability to make decisions. If you think the heart is somehow involved in cognitive processing, please link me to some scientific evidence that it does so.

Are you not aware that certain atmospheric conditions have to be met before it rains?

NOAA/NASA SciJinks :: What makes it rain?

This is 5th grade material.

I agree with not being wasteful, but you said that God protects his creation from oppression and injustice. Is a deer, being torn to pieces, and being eaten alive, being protected from injustice/oppression, in your opinion?

Yes, yes, a few crazy people exist. Don't mistake them for the majority of people.

Wrong. Hominidae is a taxon that contains humans, chimpanzees, gorillas, etc. All of these are taxonomically considered apes.

...We share almost all of our genetic code with chimpanzees. Why do you think this is?

What level of education have you received? I ask this because it's generally understood that the heart doesn't generate consciousness. Consider the case of people who receive a heart transplant - they don't suddenly become a different person.

Have you ever heard of PART of the brain being damaged?

Who commands the brain? Are you trolling or something? The brain commands itself, just like I decide to eat oatmeal or steak. The brain IS you or me, so if you decide something, that's your brain deciding something.

However could it? How on earth could a flower change it's incredibly complicated genetic code to transform itself into something it last shared a common ancestor with hundreds of millions of years ago? What's more, WHY would that happen? Please, explain.

This is 100% incorrect. Plate tectonics are caused by magma flows. That is, flows of molten rock underneath the Earth's surface. Also, they've been going on for literally billions of years, a bit farther back than Noah's time.

The mountains are a RESULT of plate tectonics. The reason you feel none of the movements is because the continental plates move only a couple of centimeters per year.

Right, because on the planetary scale, earthquakes barely register. Mountains don't act as pegs, man. Please, please, please do some incredibly basic research before you post.

 

This quote system has me so confused, why is it saying I said this lol.

 

I am not saying you are just merely stating facts, I am not contracting you or saying anything wrong there is people out there that believe this.

Ok ill prove souls exist, if you have a toy and try to turn on that toy, will it works without the power to do so? No it won't it needs a power source correct? The soul is that power source, this is why when someone dies, they open there mouth towards the end because the essence/power source is leaving the body, this is why the body is frozen upon death, because of the essence/power source leaving.

There is one Hadith that states when the anti-christ comes his soul will be released, there is no contraction here, God will stop time for him, which will cause his body to be a vessel, for who his heart belongs to in turn the devil will be controlling him, so his essence will be the essence of the devil, but God will allow him to perform these miracles as a test for Human and Jinn kind. (Just clarifying).

This is why God states all power is for him.

Another example, scientists have confirmed that human beings radiate light, where does the light come from? the absorption of the sun? No that's incorrect because it has to be internal, the light comes from your essence in meaning the soul.

There was no contraction, your just not understanding what I am saying, just like you asked me if God exists, prove to me god doesn't exist, I have laid fact after fact, proof after proof and you have nothing to give back to me on my answers, don't question what I am saying if you have no prior knowledge.

No this is wrong, there is no proof the decision comes from the brain, the execution comes from the brain. There is a difference.

Yet this is wrong again, not everything proven by science is correct, people have thought the world was straight yet, science got it wrong and proved it wrong years later, I challenge you to contact NASA and ask them to recreate the scenario, see if it works, it will not, and I will not give you the knowledge of how it rains for the mean time, I want you to contemplate/ask around first then I will explain the process. Once I explain the process your free to ask a scientist to check my facts.

Like I stated, of course animals will suffer because in turn they need to be recycled in the food chain, God has created them for a purpose, they have to serve there purpose, this is not oppression or injustice, it is simply recycling process. Is it fair for you to starve when God has created a nourishment in food sources, because you think it's very cruel or because you don't understand the logic/reasoning behind it?

God has created the animals with a purpose, and one of those purposes is it be a food source.

I am not, I simply stated some people believe this, there not crazy, they just need their beliefs/views, shaped.

No our common DNA strands of chimps is from the hair and thus the hair is all over the body, which caused them to think were are ascended from chimps, please do your research.

Hominidae is descended from the hair strands, that how the hair grows in the body, please do your research.

My education and knowledge is from the Quran and Hadith of the Prophet Muhamad (PBUH). This is incorrect, when you control the heart of a person, you have complete control of the individual, this is why fear is used as a tactic to control the masses.

This is why fear is used to distract/confuse the heart so it is easily controlled in such a way, that the alteration occurs in the heart, to easily control the brain.

Why is sleep deprivation one of the worst forms of torture? The heart rate slows down, which causes the body to go into shock, once the body is in shock they inject the drugs, why do they inject the drugs? It doesn't alter the brain as they say, they blind the heart in such a way to influence the brain to do as they say, meaning they are in control of the heart so they are controlling the individual, have you ever thought that they tell you the brain is everything to keep you so stupid, you can't see from left to right?

It's already happening, why is our society so sexually fueled? To distract our hearts from seeing the truth, the heart is the key not the brain, the heart is what commands the brain, who ever is in control of the heart controls the individual, this why it states in the Quran that the devil, whispers in the heart, because the heart is blinded while you are following the devil, so there is no logic and reason because the heart can't differentiate. This is why you have a choice to do good or bad.

A scenario, when someone is angry, do they have any logic and reason? Then ask your self why.

About the heart and the brain, the heart is in control of the brain, when the heart dies the whole body dies, but if the brain dies the whole body can still stay alive correct?

So in essence what is controlling the body? What pumps the blood into the system.

Yes many times, I have seen people in the hospital because of all forms of abuse, the brain chemicals aren't balanced which is causing a deficiency and their brain patterns are incorrect, which means there brain patterns are damaged, which causes the brain to be damaged, why is this? Ill give you the explanation, because that individual's heart can't look past the fact that this form of abuse happened to that person, so in turn the heart starts to make a comparison. This is why when people say LET IT GO, it has to be forgotten in the heart or you will never get over it because your heart will remain blinded in turn causing you to have no logic or reason.

Same reason with when someone is heart broken, they are easily swayed and do stupid things, because there is no logic and reason, why do they say love is blind? Because once the heart is blinded everything else loses contact, or it's receiving end, it's like dialing a phone and receiving no transmission.

You explained it your self, that means if anyone shares a common ancestral property, then it can evolve into that species over millions or billions of years correct? Bacteria doesn't evolve it merely adapts, adapting and evolving are two different things.

Everything you have said is incorrect, the tectonic plates move in essence because of water flow, rising or lower each year which causes the distinction of the tectonic plates moving SO YES the mountains are pegs, please do basic research and prove your facts before talking, yet again I challenge anyone to prove me wrong.

 

im not sure if he or she or what ever it is a god....but there is something out there aliens or w.e

 

Massive assumption. Can you prove that the soul is this power source?

The body freezes upon death because of rigor mortis.

Rigor mortis - Wikipedia

I might be missing something, but can you explain how this relates to my earlier post?

No, it comes from something called "black-body radiation". This is the process where any object above absolute zero emits some form of electromagnetic radiation. Have you ever seen heated metal, that glows without burning? That's black-body radiation.

Black-body radiation - Wikipedia

Burden of proof, mate.

Oh yes? What is this difference?

Actually, since the time of the ancient Greeks we knew the world was round.

Be that as it may, I strangely enough don't have a contact at NASA who can redo the fundamentals of atmospheric science for me. Odd, right?

Feel free to explain the process, and if you're right, you better dress up, because you're about to win at least a Nobel prize.

Seems weird to me that God would create animals with a capacity for extreme suffering, when their destiny is just to be recycled.

Where on Earth are you getting that information? The studies that show similarities with chimpanzees are based on comparative genetic analysis, that is, we literally analyze the DNA of humans and chimps. I don't know why you're bringing hair into it.

Ah, that explains a lot. You've been reading a religious text, and not a scientific one.

You misunderstand me. Heart damage doesn't affect consciousness, yet brain damage dramatically affects a person. It completely changes their personality, and who they are.

Which drugs are you speaking of? Generally, if they inject drugs during sleep deprivation, it's drugs designed to keep you awake. That is to say, drugs that act on the brain (amphetamines, etc.). Drugs that act on the heart are likely to make you suffer a heart attack.

Also, sleep deprivation is not one of the worst forms of torture. Open a history book, and read about people being tortured to death, or burned alive.

Society has literally always been sexually fueled.

Have you ever heard of a heart transplant? Or a mechanical heart?

Have you considered that when ancient texts mention "the heart", they don't mean the literal muscular organ beating in your chest, they mean your emotions?

Of course they do. That's why people who are angry can control themselves. That's why anger management classes exist.

...No, it's literally the opposite. The brain stem controls your heart. If your heart is massively damaged, you can survive for a while with a machine pumping blood through your body, and retain consciousness. You can even wait for a heart transplant from another person. If your brain is massively damaged, you're not there anymore. You're gone. Doctors can keep your body alive, but there's nobody home.

Again, you're mixing up the phrase "the heart", meaning your emotions, with the literal human heart.

You know, when people say "his heart is broken", it's not literal. The person's heart is not literally broken. Emotions are controlled by the brain, so if somebody's emotionally hurt, they can act irrationally. This is in no way controlled by the physical muscle that we call the heart.

If each stage of evolution is evolutionary beneficial, sure.

No, evolution is adaptation writ large.

No. The tectonic plates move due to magma currents, not water 100's of kilometers deep.

The Geological Society
Why do tectonic plates move? | IRIS

Come on, man. I'm sure your faith is strong and deep, whatever. Every single religious person I ever talk to speaks to me with equal conviction and faith. Can you provide any scientific evidence that your position is right? (Obvious note, when I ask any religious person to provide evidence, I also ask them to avoid really obviously biased websites like www.whyevolutionisasataniclie.com or similar)

Well yeah, no shit. What do you think this reason is?

"Something is out there"...that could refer to literally anything.

 

i feel the same way buddy

 

Whoops, I think I tried responding in 2 threads at the same time. Sorry about that, lol.

 

I just proved it, how does death exist? When something dies what happens to it? Why does it decompose? There is no life source, regarding to the energy source? Time has a factor to play in the matter but I'm pretty sure you can figure it out.

So your telling me while your alive, your body can decompose if you have a look at rigor motis, because this is what its saying about depleting oxygen, well yes the body depletes oxygen and has no circulation but why and where did it get its power/energy from?

The problem with you is your in a delusion thus not capable to change, you quote things and link me to sites, that try to explain the psychology of the human being, when they can't even diagnose a disease, please give me knowledge that is respectable and has some credibility, not the stuff your sending me. You keep posting things that make no sense, please read what your sending me and prove to me this is how it works.

So far you have proven nothing and keep showing me you have no come back but are arguing to try to show people that there is no God, which is not true, because you'd like to make your self feel better by believing your not going to get judged by your actions, please prove me wrong like I have stated many times, you have no proven me wrong once yet and I keep challenging you yet, your incapable of winning.

Also no, it doesn't I was just posting that there in case you said why does it say this in the Hadith and why did you say that.

Again this is wrong, its not radiation it's light, light has no barrier, where as radiation does, the reason it expands, is because the light is expanding according to the weather conditions, again prove me wrong.

Proof, I keep proving it yet your blinded by your own stupidity to see the truth.

The difference is when you make a phone call, what is relaying that connection? is it the phone or the cell tower transmitting the frequency to allow you to make that call?

The same concept, your heart is in control, it relays the message to the brain and then the brain executes, this is what I am trying to say, I am not saying the brain is useless, I am merely stating the fact that the brain is the receiver and not the commander.

No, God created the animals as nourishment for the human being, that is there purpose to provide for us, and to provide the other animals with there provisions to keep the balance in the world, this is not cruelty your just looking at it with emotions, look at the bigger picture and tell me what you come up with, if you still can't figure it out, I will spoon feed you the information.

Also no the studies all relate to the hair of the humans being compatible with the chimps, prove me other wise. We keep going around in circles yet you provide no proof, I understand your getting frustrated and trying to make me angry so I reply with something stupid/with emotion so you can see I told you so, it won't happen and after this post its going to prove God exists, and your going to look like a fool, yet your foolishness will tell you to reply, because of your ego and then people are going to see you for who you really are.

Yet again prove my statement wrong, you keep telling me to quote my proof I do yet you have no evidence it is wrong, when you come to a sword fight do you come bare handed?

Again I never said it did, I told you the heart is the commander and the brain is the receiver why can't you understand what I am saying? No this is wrong personality is changed by the circumstances that occurs in ones life, through knowledge and accepting mistakes, if the heart is sound it is easier to accept, if not you will always be blinded and deluded and never progress in life, again when someone is heart broken, there incapable of seeing any reason and learning from there mistake, until there heart has healed.

Again this is wrong, why does the heart rate elevate? Explain to me that, I don't need to quote the drugs I am pretty sure a quick google search will suffice, just read about the way they work completely and you will understand what I am saying.

Again wrong, sleep deprivation is the worst form of torture, since its mental, physical pain will subside yet mental pain lasts until you can see reason, when sleep deprived you can't see left from right, but in saying that is the pain didn't subside yes physical torment, is the worst form of torture.

Same thing when someone is heart broken, they feel like there going to die, for months.

Again this is where control comes in, if someone can control his desires then he can overpower them, if not hes worse then an animal because even animals, have self control. Which logic and reason can one have if self control is not existent?

Again no they can't they need to learn self control, refer to the above, if there no self control, there is no reasoning and logic.

Again, this is wrong, the only reason they can keep you alive is because the heart is much more simple then the brain, yet the brain is more complex and over complicates the littlest of things, that is why people over think because the heart is blinded, I am not saying the brain has no use, but the command comes from the heart, the thought process starts at the heart/desire then progressing into a plan, because of the thought process in the brain, I am not trying to say the brain has no purpose, your understanding me wrong now.

Read above, but no the emotions are controlled by the heart, yet if the heart is blinded the brain over compensates and it causes extreme obsession, why do you think so many people are obsessed with useless things? THERE HEARTS ARE BLIND! Prove me wrong.

You look like a hypocrite you keep changing your mind about evolution, the name evolution, is to evolve/adapt into a better being.

Again no the magma currents are stemmed from water movement, please get your facts right. When one proves something can they prove it without demonstration? No! So why does it apply to science?

This is wrong again, everyone has a different level of faith, yet I provide scientific evidence to prove my claims, again everything that agrees with the Quran relating to science has been proved, yet the things your claiming haven't been proved just merely scientific jargon, please refer me to your proof/demonstration.

 

A body decomposes because of bacteria.

Bodies generally don't decompose during life due to immune systems.

Bodies generally get their power from food.

We're in a debate forum. I don't call you delusional, I'd appreciate if you don't call me delusional, and we stick to the facts.

Out of the information I've linked to you, I don't know what you don't find unacceptable. I'm happy to provide you what I can, but please tell me specifically what I need to clarify.

I'm not trying to prove a point, I'm arguing against your points. I don't have any agenda of my own.

I'm sure you know that you're not a mind-reader, so obviously you don't know my motivations for posting here. Again, let's stick to the facts. The objective facts!

I guess I just didn't understand what you were getting at.

Have you ever taken a physics class? Or are you using a different English dictionary than the rest of us? Visible light is electromagnetic radiation, the same as X-rays, microwaves, radio waves, etc. Black-body radiation is simply a variant of that.

Why do you think that a cell phone/tower analogy applies to the human brain/heart? What evidence do you have?

Please do spoon feed me this information.

If animals are created as nourishment for humans, why do they have the capacity to suffer?

I can happily provide you with any evidence you need:

DNA: Comparing Humans and Chimps
How closely related are humans to apes and other animals? How do scientists measure that? Are humans related to plants at all?

Yikes, man. I don't feel frustrated at all, and the last thing I want in a debate is for you to feel frustrated. Like I've said before, let's put the personal attacks aside, and stick to the facts.

Sorry, I thought we were discussing scientific matters, not theological matters.

I fully understand what you're saying, but biologically speaking, the brain controls everything. Again, I believe that you're mixing up the biological functions of the heart with the romantic notion of "the heart", that apparently controls ambition, love, etc.

No this is wrong personality is changed by the circumstances that occurs in ones life, through knowledge and accepting mistakes, if the heart is sound it is easier to accept, if not you will always be blinded and deluded and never progress in life, again when someone is heart broken, there incapable of seeing any reason and learning from there mistake, until there heart has healed.

Drugs are chemicals. Chemicals interact with the human body. Some chemicals raise the human heart rate.

This is complete garbage. I'm Irish, and I've had people I know get involved in the IRA. They've been tortured, physically and mentally. Your talk of "heartbreak" would kill them - of laughter.

I still stand by my belief that you're mixing up the idea of "the human heart" with the actual biological human heart. Yes, lots of literature/culture describes a person as being "driven by their heart", but the important thing to realize is that ancient folk stories aren't meant to be scientifically accurate. The human heart is literally a blood pump. All emotions are controlled by your brain. Unfortunately, that's all there is to life.

You're confusing brain chemicals for the heart.

No, I keep rephrasing it so that you can understand it.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying - can you give me evidence?

Honestly, you haven't provided 1 piece of evidence to support your worldview. Please refer to the rest of my post.

 

This is partially correct, the body decomposes by the bacteria left in your body after your cells die, but why do your cells die? What is feeding your cells? Where does the body get it's energy from if there is no power source? Yes food provides energy to the body but it does not sustain it. What your trying to say in other words, is we won't die if we keep eating, why do we die then? The power source is removed, but what is the power source? Please explain it to me because it seems like everything you said contradicts it's self.

You asked me to prove the soul exists OK, well why do we need to worship God, the battery needs to be recharged correct? Only by submitting your will to God will you be provided with the recharge, otherwise you will not.

Proof is that when you eat and drink yes you have energy because you have been given temporary nourishment, yet your still lazy and tired because this is a temporary solution, it's just like sticking a band aid on a open wound, it will be a temporary solution, but if you don't get it stitched what will happen?

Why do so much people gain weight? Have you ever asked that question to your self? I'll give you the answer, because there all depressed and stressed because God is not in there life yet they keep eating because of temporary relief, if they only had God in there life this temporary solution will have a permanent solution, God is forever you are not, you have to die and you will die, can you deny death? Can you say I am going to live forever? No because there is a power source and the one who has given you that power source, is in control of it, well ask your self who has granted you this blessing?

You are trying to prove a point, you try to refute my answers yet have supplied no evidence or facts to back your claim, then you claim my answers are wrong with no proof, all your sources have no proof or confirmation this is how it works, where is the demonstration to prove it?

Ask them to send the rain if they have figured it out, let me know the outcome! Where does the rain come from if there is no God as you claim? How can everything be so perfectly aligned if a supreme being doesn't have knowledge of whats to come and whats to happen? Where is the sense in that, please explain.

Also yes I am a mind reader, I know what your thinking, your trying to turn everything back on me by making me angry and just giving up so you can say I won and he lost, because you have no basis in your argument, it's a simple tactic used to frustrate the opponent, I am not your ordinary opponent, my help comes straight from God, God has promised victory to those who believe in him and do good.

Your motivation is inspiration from the Devil, because you have followed him, your in a delusion and can't leave, it's like digging a hole throwing your self in and asking for help, who will help you? Wheres your help know, because hes certainly not coming to your rescue!

You are trying to prove religion wrong because you don't want to control or limit your self to the commandments of God, so you are free to do as you wish, you are trying to confuse people, to shift them away from the truth because you are trying to make your self feel better by lying to your self, and saying everything is OK, I will not be judged for my actions, yet when you do something bad you get destroyed 10-1000x worse? Then you say it's karma, no it's God's justice.

Your real intention is to delude people in following there desires, because your blinded by delusion, also because you have so much hate and hatred towards others, have you ever asked your self why? Who controls your heart? Why are you always displeased and not content? Oh wait the devil has promised this to God, that he will delude the human being, because he didn't get what he wanted? Oh wait who is like that? How much people have a rage fit when they don't get what they want, why does everyone want everything for them self? Why don't people like to share? This isn't our nature, this is the trait and characteristics of the devil, this is the devils path, why did he not bow to Adam (PBUH), out of respect because he thinks he's better, how many people in this day and age think it's them and that's it, there everything? Have you asked your self why? Because surely you have the answers.

Karma has no basis, if karma has no reasoning, how can it be karma? God clearly states that the Good is from him and the bad is from your self, meaning the more you sin, the more your in despair, proof for this, when you do something good do you want to keep doing good? Of course you do, because you feel better, you feel energized why is that? When you do something bad you feel bad, and you go into despair why? Give me the answer, since you know it all.

That's fine I understand.

No it's not visible light is the reflection of the light from the certain material, radiation is a frequency transmission, why is it so dangerous? Because the frequency of the transmission is moving at such a speed it penetrates the outer layer. This is why they can see inside the body without opening it up, because the light or your souls reflection is blinded, penetrating the skin using the frequency or energy waves (Better word), giving access to the layers underneath the skin, why does it speed up the destruction of your cells?

The example I gave is to give you a better understanding, the being who owns the heart, is in control of that person, you don't control the brain, you control the heart why is that? Why do people say, I have given my heart to this person? It's because that individual belongs to them, in such a way that there blinded by the flaws, why do so much relationships fail? because the heart is blinded by love and there is no reasoning or logic.

I won't spoon feed you the information yet, because I want you to reply, for the reason of proving you wrong, I am giving you an incentive, to make you look like a hypocrite, no insult given here, just facts. If you can prove me otherwise go ahead.

They have the capacity to suffer because they have to care for the others around them, if you have no emotions towards someone or something, do you understand the value of that person? Explain it to me.

The proof you have provided is wrong, if were from the same gene pool we should have the same traits, why do humans have the same traits, yet you all come from different nations/backgrounds? Why do you all build the same building and towers, why are you all attracted to the same things? Why do you all love money?

Yes your different in looks and personality, but the people you are with is the people you are influenced by, why is that?

Yet we share no common ground with chimps, except desires and the hair strands, the DNA match is from the hair, as it is the closest to the human, and that is where the misconception stems that we have evolved or adapted from apes, which is completely not true, since to evolve or adapt, takes growth or consciousness, to see reasoning, yet they don't have this, they have there common emotions and that is what they judge off.

Hence why I am saying prove me wrong, everything I have said can not and will not be refuted, if you can refute me I will withdraw what I have said, and admit I was wrong, but I know it will never happen, so go ahead, I challenge you to.

Again no I am not mixing up anything, their is a sole purpose for the brain, which is to relay the instructions taken from the heart, have you ever wondered why when you judge without reason you always make mistakes? That is the brains delusion in over complicating things.

Again no, the personality is changed by the trials and tribulations in ones life, and whether they have learned their mistake or not (seen reasoning behind their mistake or seen the consequences of their actions) I know so many people that make the same mistake over and over again, please explain to me why that is? I know the answer lets see what you come up with.

No this is wrong, the human heart rate is elevated because of foreign substance entering the body and also because their is a substance trying to change the brain pattern, hence why the heart is trying to restore balance, this is why many of the medicines we take have side effects and are not known how they will affect the body, because the pattern the heart will take in sorting out the problem, is different each time, hence why each person reacts differently, it's got nothing to do with the brain, it has to do with how sound/strong the heart is.

Again no physical torture can be controlled, it can be stopped, the pain threshold can be turned off, when you can't handle enough of it the heart relays a message to the body, to produce Adrenalin, which causes the body to go into shock hence causing the pain to be stopped. Yet this doesn't occur when the heart is in pain? Hmm makes me think why that is?, explain it to me.

Again no I am not, the human heart has a brain of it's own, this is the connection of the brain and the heart, yet the brain of the heart is much more simple and straight forward, it is much faster also. This is why when your heart is sound, everything is much smoother, because there is no interruption in the relay.

You are not rephrasing anything, you are simply trying to come back with a smart comment that has no basis, because you your self don't understand what point your trying to make.

The evidence is that when there is a tsunami caused, what happens? How does everything else react? Why do earth quakes happen and weather patterns change? why does a volcano erupt, answer these questions.

I have provided you with so much evidence, it is you who has nothing to show for it, you will and can not win, so your trying to turn it back on me, it won't work, you will look like a fool, I already know the outcome of this argument, Good luck though I applaud you for trying.

 

If there is a God, he is cruel. I do not believe in a God.

 

There are a variety of reasons that cells die. Waste accumulation, deterioration of DNA telomeres, etc.

What battery are you talking about?

I don't know about you, but I'm not lazy and tired when I'm nourished. I'm motivated because of my own ambitions.

Well first, you're assuming that lack of God is why there's a lot of overweight people. Where's your evidence? You asked me a quesiton, and answered it yourself, without providing any evidence. This is a debate forum, evidence is key here.

Second, I suggest that people gain weight because unhealthy food is cheap, and sedentary lifestyles are easy.

Of course I cannot deny death - what does that have to do with a power source? How are these arguments connected?

Please, re-read my posts. All I've done is question your claims. If there are any specific points I've made that I haven't provided evidence on, again, please identify specifically which, and I'll provide what I can.

Ask who? Who am I supposed to be asking? And if I think I know where rain comes from, WHY ON EARTH do you think that means I can summon the rain at will?

Have you never heard of the water cycle?

Things AREN'T perfectly aligned. Why would you think that they were?

Nope. I'm actually asking you to please not get angry, and to please answer my questions as I present them. If God promised you victory, you should have no problem with DIRECTLY answering my questions.

Okay I get that you're on a religious tirade here, but I'll ask you to stick to the rules that guide this forum. I'm certainly not on a "rage fit", I'm not being possessed by the devil or whatever, all I'm asking is that you directly address my arguments without freaking out about my motivations. Again, this is a debate forum. If you can't debate, you shouldn't be posting here.

I don't believe in karma. Why are you bringing it up?

Why do you keep insisting that I "know it all", when I keep telling you that I don't?

No it's not visible light is the reflection of the light from the certain material, radiation is a frequency transmission, why is it so dangerous? Because the frequency of the transmission is moving at such a speed it penetrates the outer layer. This is why they can see inside the body without opening it up, because the light or your souls reflection is blinded, penetrating the skin using the frequency or energy waves (Better word), giving access to the layers underneath the skin, why does it speed up the destruction of your cells?[/quote]

See, it's posts like this that make me feel like English isn't your first language. I don't mean that offensively, by the way. I originally stated that "Visible light is electromagnetic radiation", but you seem to have misunderstood that to mean it as "radiation is just visible light". Please correct me if I'm wrong, of course, but visible light is part of the electromagnetic spectrum.

It's important to understand that in physics, "radiation" isn't necessarily a bad thing. "Radiation" is literally electromagnetic emissions, which ranges in wavelength anywhere from greater than 10 to l00 meters (1km) to less than 1 trillionth of a meter. Visible light falls roughly in the 400-700 nanometers range.

So yes, light is radiation. I don't mean this post to be mean or nasty, I'm trying to show you that your grasp of physics may not be as robust as you thought.

The expression "I have given my heart to this person" is largely cultural. So many relationships fail because it's hard for people to control their brain-based emotions/desires.

Do you mean to say that there was no other way to teach humans the value of others, but to hurt animals? Or do I misunderstand you?

It's far from wrong, culture is largely independent of DNA.

Behaviour is more complicated than superficial appearances, I would guess.

No, this is where common science comes into the scene.

We share common social behaviours, including hunting, social group dynamics, territory wars, tool usage, etc. Although, it shouldn't matter greatly what behaviours we share, since behaviour can vary greatly with a few genetic differences. The point that virtually all modern scientists try to make is that they can point that humans and chimpanzees shared a common ancestor anywhere from 5-15 million years ago. Science doesn't seek to devalue humanity in that sense, it merely looks at the evidence. I could believe in a religion, personally, if it incorporated this evidence, but it seems to me that any true religion wouldn't need to lie about humanity's origins.

Fair enough! I accept your challenge. However, we've both said a lot, and my memory's not what it used to be. If you can refresh me on your original claims, I'll gladly have a go at it.

Yeah, if you judge without reason, which is based in the brain, you always make mistakes. I fully agree.

Of course...the brain reacts to outside stresses. Sometimes it does so admirably, sometimes dismally.

That's a MASSIVE assumption, how do you know that the foreign substance is causing the HEART, specifically, to change the brain pattern?

Evidence, please.

Where is the evidence for these wild claims you're making? Seriously, please provide some actual evidence that the human body can literally 100% turn off its pain threshold so as to make torture ineffective? Because I'm sure there's a lot of secret agents who would pay millions for that.

So, biologically speaking, where is the heart's brain?

I fully understand what point I'm trying to make regarding evolution, actually. If somebody doesn't like the terms I use, I adjust them until they understand me.

...It's the 100% opposite of what you suggest. You said that "the magma currents are stemmed from water movement, please get your facts right", when generally, water currents are governed by the weather. Now, to be fair, if there IS any plate tectonic activity, it's actually the plate activity that governs water movement, not the other way around.

You actually haven't provided me with any documented evidence, though.

 

Of course there is reasons, like I said God is not wasteful, but it's also because the power source has left the body, which ceases function of the heart causing the body to deteriorate because there is no blood flow running to feed the cells.

Like I said a battery, its the power source, which is the soul, the soul is the power source of the body is what I mean, and you still haven't been able to prove me wrong, everything you are saying either confirms my statements or makes you look like a hypocrite.

I am not either, yet a lot of people are why is that? I give you so much answers yet you try to refute my answers and have no basis, but when I ask you a question you shy away from it because you don't have the answer and science can't answer it, I wonder why that is?

I know the answers to my questions, the only reason I am asking you is because you seem to be trying to refute my answers and you can not so, I am taking a different approach, I am asking you the questions to see if you can figure it out, but you can not which it seems like you are proving.

My proof is that when someone eats serotonin is released in the body which causes a sense of relief or temporary relief blinding the lack of understanding or stress/depression that person is facing, causing that person to keep eating or snacking on things to keep that high going, it's just like a drug when you feel the come down just have another hit, but when you have to finally come down what happens? Everything hits you at once.

Like I said this is temporary salvation, where God provides permanent salvation and this is why when people come closer to God or feel God's peace they are attached to it because the salvation has a different affect, it doesn't affect the mind, it affects the heart to cause permanent salvation, which brings me to another point, the mind brings temporary salvation when the heart is blinded, this is why people are taking a short term fix, because the heart is blind, so the mind is over compensating causing it's self destruction.

This is why people over think so much, because there heart is blind, yet again science can't give me an explanation and I just did, well how did I get the answer? Who inspired me the answer? Who gave me the answer, ask your self those questions and let me see what you come up with.

It has to do everything with the power source, since the power source is what allows the heart to function which allows the cells to feed, this is why you die because the soul is removed from the body causing the heart to cease it's functioning, which causes the body to die, there is no power source remaining in the body, this is why we say the soul is eternal, because it's not bound by the limitations of this world.

You haven't provided evidence on any of my claims, you also haven't proved any of my claims wrong, yet I have proved all your claims wrong and answered your questions completely, yet you move to another question or try to prove my answer wrong by picking out one aspect of it because you didn't understand it, it's a cheap tactic but I am calling you out on it.

Like you said provide me with the evidence that you have proven me wrong once!

You just answered your own question, if we know how the rain works then we can summon it at will, so then why can't we? Who provides the rain? Who can summon the rain at his own will? Seems to me there is a higher being at play here.

I have heard of the water cycle, but the water cycle, is wrong, everything is interconnected, first the sun hits the water, which causes evaporation, once evaporation occurs, as the temperature starts to decrease the evaporation starts to form, if the temperature increases it causes the evaporation to expand which also causes the cloud to form out of causing the evaporation to turn into water, thus creating or causing a bubble which turns into a cloud, which causes the cloud to form and be full of water, once the cloud is full of water, the temperature has to be at a certain point for the rain to be allowed to fall down, because it will either solidify or it will burst and cause the rain droplets to fall, yet science didn't provide me with this answer, again prove me wrong. I can give a better detailed description of how it works if you need me to I just wanted to explain the concept behind it.

Everything is perfectly aligned, if the universe didn't expand all at the same time, then it won't be able to withstand it's self, this is why everything is inter-connected but the Human and the Jinn can't understand the connection because God has placed a barrier there, once the barrier is lifted everything will make sense, this is part of the test, except for whom God has allowed the barrier to be lifted in this life.

I have answered every one of your question, yet you insist on saying I didn't because your trying to mislead others and to remain blind to the fact that God does exist so you can feel better about your self, it's ok to deny God exists just don't try to lie about it and try to hide it from others, no one is here to Judge you, I am only here to help you and to grant you understanding, if you take it or deny it, it is purely up to you.

I am not getting angry at your questions or the answers that you are giving, also I am not going on a religious tirade, the reason I said that, is because you have the same characteristics as the devil, which is to mislead human kind as he promised God, this is the reason why I said that. You are on a rage fit, because you can't find a way to win and you can't find a way to prove me wrong, which is causing you to go on a tirade, which is causing you to be blinded further, I am debating, I apologize if didn't understand what I was trying to say, I'll try to make it easier for you to understand next time. Sorry.

I was merely using an example, this is why I brought it up.

The reason is because you ask questions yet when I give you the answer, you try to say it's incorrect, yet there is no basis for your claim and you haven't provided me with any proof to say other wise, then I challenge you to prove me wrong and you can't so you just shift onto another question and answer with a one-three line sentence, after that you skip all my question because you don't have the answer to them, yet you keep trying to prove my answers wrong, seems like you being calling out on the claim that you know everything, but can't face the fact that you don't so you try to cover up your mistakes, by shifting the error/mistake on my part, nice work, it might work on someone else but not me.

English is my first language, don't criticize or judge without prior knowledge of what your assuming.


No where did I say radiation is visible light, I merely stated and I quote:

"No it's not visible light is the reflection of the light from the certain material, radiation is a frequency transmission, why is it so dangerous? Because the frequency of the transmission is moving at such a speed it penetrates the outer layer. This is why they can see inside the body without opening it up, because the light or your souls reflection is blinded, penetrating the skin using the frequency or energy waves (Better word), giving access to the layers underneath the skin, why does it speed up the destruction of your cells?"

You stated that it is visible light, I merely stated it is the reflection of light.

I never said radiation is a bad thing I merely stated how it works, to provide you with the answer to your question, yet again you have no basis.

It's OK I take no offense, I don't allow my emotions to mix up in a debate like you did before^^.

Again it's not cultural it's literal, society has you thinking it's cultural. The reason relationships fail is because both parties need God in the life to understand the rights of the person they are with and build a foundation and basis off of what God has taught us, not try to change or control that person, but accept them for who they are.

If society accepted people for who they are and not labeled a person on his appearance, shape, size, color, ethnicity, religion, etc.. then we wouldn't have oppression, injustice and racism.

Everything around us is a lesson for the human being, one of the reasons is that, but it's also to teach the animal to look after it's own, if you didn't suffer how could you understand what it feels like if your the one doing the suffering?

Again no one brought DNA into it, i merely stated we come from different nations/backgrounds, yet you are all attracted to the same things, the example I am trying to bring here is that we share similarities with all animals, that is why God created the human being with desires from the animals, the logic and reasoning from the angels and free will to give the Human being a choice in who they choose to follow.

Again no one brought DNA into it, I merely stated we come from different nations/backgrounds, yet you are all attracted to the same things, the example I am trying to bring here is that we share similarities with all animals, that is why God created the human being with desires from the animals, the logic and reasoning from the angels and free will to give the Human being a choice in who they choose to follow. Posting twice to answer your question below also I am going to add that what you have said is all wrong, why are there human remains that have been found from 10-15 meters long? Evolution states the complete opposite yet, there is so much proof to prove it's completely false and fabricated.

I have challenged you all this time yet you didn't accept my challenge, until I called you out on it, most of what you have said is wrong, if you really wanted to accept the challenge you would have gone back to where I challenged you and answered the questions and challenges that I have put forth, or if it was me and I state here that every time you challenged me (Asked me a question) I provided the answer, yet only now you want to accept my challenge because I called you out on it and then claim you have forgot, it's OK to forget, but don't use a rubbish claim here on a forum where everything is right in front of you, you can simply go back and re-read where I have asked you to prove me wrong and complete the challenge.

Why should I do the work for you? Just like I am answering and reading your post, I think I deserve some sort of decency for you to do the same.

I applaud that you agree.

The proof is in front of you, how many people can overdose on drugs simply because they took to many of the substance, it's just like taking sugar, you need sugar but over compensating for sugar causes disaster, it's the same with medicine, I am only using a comparison I am not saying it's the same thing, please don't misunderstand me. What is the cause of their death, drug overdose right?, wrong its a heart attack, if you ask any doctor what happens to a drug over dose patient, they will give you the explanation as anything I say you will just say it's wrong and try to make a false claim.

Like I said if the heart is sound, then the whole body is sound, if the heart is strengthened then the whole body is strengthened, which causes the brain to be incapable of trying to over compensate for the pain. The heart takes control and switches the brains pain receptors to off, which causes the body to become numb thus feeling no pain.

The documented evidence is not there for the reason of science not even being able to figure it out, now doesn't that prove their is a higher power at work and that man doesn't have all the answers? Didn't man just derive all it's knowledge from the scriptures and messengers that God has sent? All the knowledge we have now is by studying the scriptures and taking the knowledge learnt and putting into practice, I don't think that a coincidence do you?

What I said about the water movements and magma currents is correct, I will not explain it yet I want you to do your research first and provide me with an answer that it's wrong.

 

nah not really
but i believe theres somthing big out there

 

If there's no god, there's no hell.

thats my perspective.

 

I never have, it's too unfathomable for me. But it's close minded to be able to boast about knowing anything for certain, in my opinion.

 

no

 

Nope. Scientists explained how we were born.

 

Ok. Where is the evidence of this power source?

Scientific evidence, please.

Probably because a lot of people are lazy. Yes, you give me a lot of answers, but what evidence are they based on?

It's a debate forum, so of course I'm trying to refute your answers. So far, though, I haven't done very much refuting - I've just been questioning your claims. If you don't have any evidence, your claim doesn't have to be refuted - it's baseless.

I 100% agree on the effects of serotonin...but how exactly is that proof of anything? All you said is that when the pleasant effects of over-eating wear off, reality comes crashing back down. Unless I'm misunderstanding you?

My guess would be that you used your own mind to think of the answer? The same way that I did?

Your heart is literally just a biological machine. All it does is pump blood. That's why people can survive when a machine pumps their blood for them, or if they get a heart transplant, etc.

Of course I haven't provided evidence on any of your claims! All I'm doing is questioning them! I've said this before, but you're either not understanding, or glossing over it. What sort of evidence are you asking of me for questions?

That is absolutely incorrect. Why on Earth would knowing how something works mean 100% mastery over it? As an example, we know why the moon rotates around the Earth, but that doesn't mean that we can stop its rotation.

You explained the concept well enough, I agree that you understand how it works. Yet if science didn't tell you how it works, what did?

I don't understand what you mean by this.

Sorry, but God placed a barrier where?

No, I agree that you've answered all of my questions, but having an answer doesn't guarantee that it's the right answer. Again, all I've done is question your responses.

I promise you, and everybody else, that I'm not trying to mislead anybody intentionally. Personally, I'm not very good at lying to myself, so if I thought that God did exist, I would embrace him fully. I appreciate your posting here, of course, but I'm not yet convinced by your responses.

All right, fair enough.

I understand what you're saying, I think. I don't think I'm being influenced by the devil, but then again, if I was, I'm guessing I wouldn't know, right?

I promise you that I'm not angry at all. There aren't many things that make me angry, apart from people slurping their coffee.

I'm glad to hear that, and I assume you didn't mean that condescendingly.

Okay, fair enough.

I have posted in this thread a lot, but I can't remember ever saying that any of your claims were incorrect without backing it up with evidence. If I did so, can you link it? I'll try to explain to the best of my ability.

All right. If I have ever flat-out claimed that you're wrong without any evidence, I'll retract that. Evidence is important to me.

Fair enough, I apologize.

Maybe there was a misunderstanding, but you had said previously:

"scientists have confirmed that human beings radiate light, where does the light come from? the absorption of the sun? No that's incorrect because it has to be internal, the light comes from your essence in meaning the soul."

I suppose that I was trying to clarify that we don't radiate light (since light is only a tiny part of the electromagnetic spectrum), we radiate blackbody radiation, like every other object in the universe with a non-zero temperature. So ultimately, I was trying to argue against your point that we radiate because we have a soul - we radiate because of our temperature.

I'm glad. I try not to let my emotions get the better of me, but if I do, please let me know.

Well, maybe. What do you think about two atheists having a happy, successful relationship?

That's definitely true. I'm a white European guy so I haven't experienced any of that sort of hate first-hand, but it's absolutely abhorrent.

That's a fair point, but I don't understand why a loving God would make animals have the capacity to suffer. For example, if a lion kills a gazelle in Africa, that gazelle suffers tremendously. Why? What benefit does that give me?

Well, in the post I was replying to, you said this:

"Yet we share no common ground with chimps, except desires and the hair strands, the DNA match is from the hair, as it is the closest to the human, and that is where the misconception stems that we have evolved or adapted from apes, which is completely not true, since to evolve or adapt, takes growth or consciousness, to see reasoning, yet they don't have this, they have there common emotions and that is what they judge off."

But putting that aside, my worldview would agree with yours, but for different reasons. In my worldview, we share similarities with all animals because we ARE animals.

Humans 10-15 meters long? I haven't heard of this before. Do you have a credible source on that?

I'm sorry. I only post here a few times a week, and the thread is a bit long, and truly, I do have a poor memory (recovering alcoholic). I agree that it looks fishy, absolutely, but I honestly don't remember your original claims.

That's fair enough. I'll scroll through the thread for your original post.

Ah, that I agree with. What I was asking, though, was in response to this particular part of your claim:

"their is a substance trying to change the brain pattern, hence why the heart is trying to restore balance"

It seemed like you said that the heart was trying to restore balance to, presumably, the brain, to combat the effects of the substance. That's what I was asking how you knew that the heart was trying to restore balance.

Well, not necessarily. Somebody with a healthy heart can still die of a stroke, cancer, etc. But that's more of a side point.

Interesting. What evidence is there for this? Because again, there's bound to be some secret government agency that would pay millions/billions for its agents to be able to withstand torture.

But you said:

"I have provided you with so much evidence, it is you who has nothing to show for it, you will and can not win, so your trying to turn it back on me, it won't work, you will look like a fool, I already know the outcome of this argument, Good luck though I applaud you for trying."

Do you have evidence or not?

All knowledge is from scriptures? Okay, that is interesting, to be sure. May I ask what parts of scripture speak about atomic fission, Keynesian economics, the internet, artificial intelligence, etc.? If scripture and/or the messengers speak clearly about these subjects, I'll retract all of my prior claims.

Okay. Here's what you said:

"Everything you have said is incorrect, the tectonic plates move in essence because of water flow, rising or lower each year which causes the distinction of the tectonic plates moving"

To which I respond:

How Earth's Plates Move Lesson #3 | Volcano World | Oregon State University

What is this "something big"?

Well I suppose that makes sense, but this thread is about whether or not God exists, not the consequence of God's existence.

Why would that prove that God doesn't exist? You could simply ask your mother how you were born.