Satanism vs. Christianity

Yes another religous debate ^^

Flaws is a part of humanity, jealousy, hatred, lyeing etc.

We have all done it more or less, but that is breaking the 10 commandments
which in my world are impossible to follow, what i want you to discuss is what makes the most sense to you Satan's statements or Gods commandments.

God's 10 commandments:

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'

The 7 death sins:

Pride is excessive belief in one's own abilities, that interferes with the individual's recognition of the grace of God. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity.

Envy is the desire for others' traits, status, abilities, or situation.

Gluttony is an inordinate desire to consume more than that which one requires.

Lust is an inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body.

Anger is manifested in the individual who spurns love and opts instead for fury. It is also known as Wrath.

Greed is the desire for material wealth or gain, ignoring the realm of the spiritual. It is also called Avarice or Covetousness.

Sloth is the avoidance of physical or spiritual work.

THE NINE SATANIC STATEMENTS

1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!

2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!

3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!

4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!

5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!

6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!

7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!

8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!

9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!


The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
9. Do not harm little children.
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him. [11]

The Nine Satanic Sins

1. Stupidity — The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.
2. Pretentiousness — Empty posturing can be most irritating and isn’t applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. On equal footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation these days. Everyone’s made to feel like a big shot, whether they can come up with the goods or not.
3. Solipsism — Can be very dangerous for Satanists. Projecting your reactions, responses and sensibilities onto someone who is probably far less attuned than you are. It is the mistake of expecting people to give you the same consideration, courtesy and respect that you naturally give them. They won’t. Instead, Satanists must strive to apply the dictum of “Do unto others as they do unto you.” It’s work for most of us and requires constant vigilance lest you slip into a comfortable illusion of everyone being like you. As has been said, certain utopias would be ideal in a nation of philosophers, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, from a Machiavellian standpoint) we are far from that point.
4. Self-deceit — It’s in the “Nine Satanic Statements” but deserves to be repeated here. Another cardinal sin. We must not pay homage to any of the sacred cows presented to us, including the roles we are expected to play ourselves. The only time self-deceit should be entered into is when it’s fun, and with awareness. But then, it’s not self-deceit!
5. Herd Conformity — That’s obvious from a Satanic stance. It’s all right to conform to a person’s wishes, if it ultimately benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a master wisely instead of being enslaved by the whims of the many.
6. Lack of perspective — Again, this one can lead to a lot of pain for a Satanist. You must never lose sight of who and what you are, and what a threat you can be, by your very existence. We are making history right now, every day. Always keep the wider historical and social picture in mind. That is an important key to both Lesser and Greater Magic. See the patterns and fit things together as you want the pieces to fall into place. Do not be swayed by herd constraints — know that you are working on another level entirely from the rest of the world.
7. Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies — Be aware that this is one of the keys to brainwashing people into accepting something new and different, when in reality it’s something that was once widely accepted but is now presented in a new package. We are expected to rave about the genius of the creator and forget the original. This makes for a disposable society.
8. Counterproductive Pride — That first word is important. Pride is great up to the point you begin to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rule of Satanism is: If it works for you, great. When it stops working for you, when you’ve painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, I’m sorry, I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow, then do it.
9. Lack of Aesthetics — This is the physical application of the Balance Factor. Aesthetics is important in Lesser Magic and should be cultivated. It is obvious that no one can collect any money off classical standards of beauty and form most of the time, so they are discouraged in a consumer society; but an eye for beauty, for balance, is an essential Satanic tool and must be applied for greatest magical effectiveness. It’s not what’s supposed to be pleasing — it’s what is. Aesthetics is a personal thing, reflective of one’s own nature, but there are universally pleasing and harmonious configurations that should not be denied.[12]


This is not to turn into a discussion on what religions are rigth and wrong, please keep it clean.

 

wow thats just freaky, if u look at it any society that followed those nine rules couldn't stand, whether Christianity is right or not its rules will kept people in check and stop idealisms like that

 

I'd say Satanism, but not LaVey Satanism, instead i would pick Agnostic Satanism. Christianity in the USA is stupid, all about making money. Same goes with LaVey Satanism.

 

Mindless stereotype.

I can understand following those nine rules if you believed neither God nor Satan existed... so I'm confused.

 

First of all, comparing these two religions is like comparing a shoe and an onion..

The values that the Satanic culture promote are far more harmful to society than any other belief system.. Yes, SOCIETY, this includes Atheists, Jews, Mormons, etc., whatever.. We are ALL in the same danger (although I won't argue that it is immediate danger, rather potential).

From personal experience, the town I lived in as a child canceled Halloween celebrations due to Satanic cult activity in the area. Police found two 8 year old kids murdered (who had both been abducted in public the previous night while 'trick or treating') in a Satanic ritualistic fashion.
Those responsible were apprehended and confessed that they were instructed to commit the murders by their superior, who police later revealed as a local Satanic priest of a 'legitimate' church in the area.

Well, I don't see Muslims, Christians, Catholics, or any other religious organization that would support and endorse such behavior..

Not only am I opposed to Satanism from a personal faith-based standpoint, but religion aside, I am opposed to the Satanic church as a concerned human being.

 

Worshipping the biblical Satan is still Christianity - you're following the same bible.

Except you interpret it differently.

Aside from the "don't kill, don't lie, don't steal" part of the ten commandments, very little is practical.

(Btw, ironic that you say that Muslims don't endorse such behavior, when we have a thread discussing their justice system).

 

Honestly, IMO, Satanism is pointless. Why would someone become a Satanist? It's quite negative in my vision. And it really scares me. A LOT.

What positive things would it bring?

 

Your logic is very flawed. Worshiping Satan is Christianity? Thats a moronic statement. What is the foundation of Christianity? ...A belief that Jesus Christ was the son of God.. Not that Satan exists.. Jews believe that Satan exists, does that make them Christians? No.

Islam may endorse harsh punishments, but for CONVICTED criminals, not innocent children..

 

Either would have to exist for this to be a valid debate.

Before the end of the 1st Millenium Christianity did not exist as a major religion. During the crusades, the Roman Catholic Christian church, recently converted to the up-and-coming religion of Christianity by Augustus Caesar, took on a crusade against the non-followers in the 'holy lands.' These 'Crusades' lasted for over 500 years, and entailed the destruction of many documents, rather than men or territory, or buildings. Why? To destroy any given proofs of Christianity's non-existence. Any man or woman contesting the existence of a deity in Christ, was punished. Many thousands of years of literature written from the north end of Europe, through the midlands of Africa were destroyed by the Templar Knights.

Many of the customs of the previous religion of Paganism were moved into the Christian religion, such as Easter, which was derived from the ancient word for spring: "eastre." Similarly, the "Teutonic dawn goddess of fertility was known variously as Ostare, Ostara, Ostern, Eostra, Eostre, Eostur, Eastra, Eastur, Austron and Ausos."

"Many, perhaps most, Pagan religions in the Mediterranean area had a major seasonal day of religious celebration at or following the Spring Equinox. Cybele, the Phrygian fertility goddess, had a fictional consort who was believed to have been born via a virgin birth. He was Attis, who was believed to have died and been resurrected each year during the period MAR-22 to MAR-25. "About 200 B.C. mystery cults began to appear in Rome just as they had earlier in Greece. Most notable was the Cybele cult centered on Vatican hill ...Associated with the Cybele cult was that of her lover, Attis (the older Tammuz, Osiris, Dionysus, or Orpheus under a new name). He was a god of ever-reviving vegetation. Born of a virgin, he died and was reborn annually. The festival began as a day of blood on Black Friday and culminated after three days in a day of rejoicing over the resurrection." This - the story of Christ.

Christmas

"No one knows what day Jesus Christ was born on. From the biblical description, most historians believe that his birth probably occurred in September, approximately six months after Passover. One thing they agree on is that it is very unlikely that Jesus was born in December, since the bible records shepherds tending their sheep in the fields on that night. This is quite unlikely to have happened during a cold Judean winter. So why do we celebrate Christ’s birthday as Christmas, on December the 25th?

The answer lies in the pagan origins of Christmas. In ancient Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast.

In Rome, the Winter Solstice was celebrated many years before the birth of Christ. The Romans called their winter holiday Saturnalia, honoring Saturn, the God of Agriculture. In January, they observed the Kalends of January, which represented the triumph of life over death. This whole season was called Dies Natalis Invicti Solis, the Birthday of the Unconquered Sun. The festival season was marked by much merrymaking. It is in ancient Rome that the tradition of the Mummers was born. The Mummers were groups of costumed singers and dancers who traveled from house to house entertaining their neighbors. From this, the Christmas tradition of caroling was born.

In northern Europe, many other traditions that we now consider part of Christian worship were begun long before the participants had ever heard of Christ. The pagans of northern Europe celebrated the their own winter solstice, known as Yule. Yule was symbolic of the pagan Sun God, Mithras, being born, and was observed on the shortest day of the year. As the Sun God grew and matured, the days became longer and warmer. It was customary to light a candle to encourage Mithras, and the sun, to reappear next year.

Huge Yule logs were burned in honor of the sun. The word Yule itself means “wheel,” the wheel being a pagan symbol for the sun. Mistletoe was considered a sacred plant, and the custom of kissing under the mistletoe began as a fertility ritual. Hollyberries were thought to be a food of the gods.

The tree is the one symbol that unites almost all the northern European winter solstices. Live evergreen trees were often brought into homes during the harsh winters as a reminder to inhabitants that soon their crops would grow again. Evergreen boughs were sometimes carried as totems of good luck and were often present at weddings, representing fertility. The Druids used the tree as a religious symbol, holding their sacred ceremonies while surrounding and worshipping huge trees.

In 350, Pope Julius I declared that Christ’s birth would be celebrated on December 25. There is little doubt that he was trying to make it as painless as possible for pagan Romans (who remained a majority at that time) to convert to Christianity. The new religion went down a bit easier, knowing that their feasts would not be taken away from them.

Christmas (Christ-Mass) as we know it today, most historians agree, began in Germany, though Catholics and Lutherans still disagree about which church celebrated it first. The earliest record of an evergreen being decorated in a Christian celebration was in 1521 in the Alsace region of Germany. A prominent Lutheran minister of the day cried blasphemy: 'Better that they should look to the true tree of life, Christ.' "

'Holy'

The word holy, was actually derived from a pagan custom as well. This is, actually, quite simply based. The holly tree, the same used in mistletoe, as earlier mentioned was considered a sacred, or 'holy' tree in Pagan culture. The transition was painless, and so given.

'Amen'

The root of the word comes from Hebrew aman, which means to nourish and make strong. Emunah (faithfulness) also comes from aman. The ancient Greeks used the word (AMHN) from Hebrew to mean 'truth', 'surely', 'absolutely'. It is one of just a few Hebrew words which have been imported unchanged into Church liturgy. The current meaning of Amen and its pronunciation is pretty much the same in any modern language and religion.

Christians

Christians say either 'Ahh-men' or 'Ay-men'.

The 'Ahh-men' pronunciation tends to be a bit more formal and used in liturgy, choral music, etc. An example can be heard in the closing part of Handel's Messiah 'Worthy is the Lamb'. The Ahh-men in the final chorus is repeated dozens of times, runs to six pages in a typical choral score, and usually takes around 3 minutes 40 seconds to sing.

The 'Ay-men' pronunciation is often associated with evangelical Christians and gospel singing. Unlike Handel's Messiah, the gospel chorus 'Amen' has only five words, all the same (Ay----men, Ay----men, Ay----men, Ay-men, Ay--men.) yet can take much longer to perform as it is repeated over and over again, bringing the congregation into harmony.

Jews

For Jews, Amen is also an acronym for El Melech Ne'eman, which means "Mighty, Faithful King".

Muslims

Muslims use Amen (Amin or Ameen) in the same way as Christians and Jews, even though the word does not appear in the Qur'an. Muslims say it after reciting Surah al-Fatihah, after completing their prayers, at the end of letters, etc.

Buddhists and Hindus

Many Buddhists and Hindus also use Amen at the end of prayers and as concurrence in the same way as the other religions.

But where did it all begin?

Pagans

From old Egyptian texts we can see that people believed the Sun was the emblem of the Creator. They called the Sun Ra, and all other gods and goddesses were forms of the Creator. One of these gods was Amen; a secret, hidden and mysterious god named variously Amen, Amon, Amun, Ammon and Amounra. For the first eleven dynasties (c. 3000-1987 B.C.) Amen was just a minor god, but by the 17th dynasty (c. 1500 B.C.) he had been elevated to be the national god of southern Egypt. This position gave Amen the attributes and characteristics of the most ancient gods, and his name became Amen-Ra, that is, a supreme form of God the Creator. By the 18th Dynasty (1539-1295 B.C.) a college had been established to study Amen-Ra and as a focal point for worship.

The Jews settled in Egypt for around 400 years from 1847 B.C. and during this sojourn there is no doubt they would have been fully exposed to the worship of Amen-Ra. By the time of their exodus from Egypt in 1447 B.C., Amen would certainly be in their language even if it was not their god. It would be a word that had associations with reverence and majesty. This is not difficult to understand. People still talk about Moses, Jesus, Mohammed and Buddha, and often use those names completely out of context as expletives. Amen was seen as a powerful god and the name continued, out of context, as an exclamation or salutation; a classic example language evolution. From the Jews, the word was adopted by Christians, Muslims and others.

 

The Jewish Satan is different from the Christian Satan (most notably, the Jewish Satan is not the devil).

Someone who worships the devil of the bible must first accept the bible. That means you can accept that the son of god is Christ, but still worship Satan over Christ.

 

You are horribly mistaken. You need to do some research. The Jewish God is the same as the Christian God, same goes for Satan. The ONLY difference between Jews and Christians is the acknowledgment of the New Testament and the divinity of Jesus Christ.

BOTH religions agree on this.

And besides, there are many sects of Satanism that completely deny the deity of Jesus Christ all together.

 

But don't all sects of Satanism recognize God as creator at least?
And wouldn't they be worshipping a lesser power?

 

That's what I get for basing my answers off the first few hits i get off Google:
http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=224&o=2557
http://whatjewsbelieve.org/explanation07.html
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=270&letter=S

Satan is not an opponent of God - but a servant of God.

As for the jewish g_d being the christian god... you can clearly see that the jewish one lacks the vowel that the christian one has. (Tell me you don't believe this, because I don't like reading scriptures =/)

 

Lol, no your taking everything out of context..
Let me explain.
The vowel nonsense is ridiculous. God has many names that Jews and Christians share.. El Shadai, Yahweh, Jehovah, etc. To use one of those titles and declare that its a different God simply because they use a different name is not applicable in this case. Some Jews will only refer to God in the Hebrew name which is 'Elohim'. Christians also use this name.

The servant story you're referring to is Lucifer (who IS Satan before his fall from heaven). The story goes that he was an angel in heaven before shit went down and he was cast down. Why was he cast down you ask? BECAUSE HE LED A REBELLION AGAINST GOD. Does that make them opponents? I would say so.

The singular Satan also has many names and titles: Lucifer, Satan, The Devil, Beelzebub, The beast, The dragon, etc.

 

The Jewish Satan makes more sense - he's employed by God, to tempt you to sin. The Christian Satan is only evil by definition (go against God, that's against good, therefore bad). I don't believe in either, but the Jewish Satan... is by far, less offensive and less insulting.

 

You must be new to religion. I grew up in a major Christian house, and learned history on my own. They are the same satan, in every Major religion. This only can include Christianity, Judaism, and the Islamic religion (Muslim) because, in contrast to common 'knowledge', Buddhism actually does not follow any gods, but rather lives out the life of a common man, who grew up in a rich family, sheltered from society and anything possibly bad. When he came to be a man, he left his home, to find that there were many bad things, and he left his sanctuary to find all bad things in the 'world' after some years, he returned home, and lived his life not in pain, nor in elation, but always in the median. Should something good happen to him, he would make it his mission to have an equal poor thing occur. Living a life of neutrality. Karma.

 

You're missing the point. -.-

Its the SAME Satan..

I thought I was in the SFA? :S

 

Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about. Satanism has nothing at all to do with sacrificing little children, maybe in devil-worshipping, but that's far from Satanism.

 

Oh, you didn't get the memo?
This board is now no different than the spam board. -_-
Not exaggerating.

And Satanism is no more about sacrificing children than Islam is about car bombing, just fyi.

 

Satanism, actually is someone who goes through the holy books and picks out things that doesn't make sense to try and make that religion look stupid