ilovegold69
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I have kind of changed my opinion about animal rights/veganism, I'll try to make it short.
The role of a plant is to grow as abundantly as it can through reproduction. The method of reproduction for many plants requires intervention from some sort of herbivore. Without the cohabitation of plants and herbivores, plants overgrow into abundance and die from a lack of resources. Fruit-bearing plants are even less capable of reproducing without herbivores. When analyzing the relationship between plants and herbivores this way, it is not helpful to see them as counter-productive. One would not exist without the other's checks and balances yada yada.
There is a similar relationship one step up the food chain between predator and prey animals. I rarely see vegans standing up for rats in metropolitan areas. But honestly if you're not retarded you can very quickly rationalize the genocide of rats on a daily basis across the world, because you have an immediate visceral reaction to them. You KNOW the problems they csuse. Prey animals will eat and reproduce for as long as there is fermentable plant matter. Their population will almost always grow even under serious caloric constraints. Predators do not needlessly kill prey; it is a necessity for the good of all of the individuals in a food web for there to be some guy dismembering your deer cousin once in a while.
The common vegan solution to this is to continue raping vast stretches of land to grow mono-crop corn and soybeans, and then complain about cows and their greenhouse gasses. Vegans often fail to realize the opportunity cost of occupying huge stretches of land with non-food-chain-contributing indigestible plants. X number of prey animals are displaced by each acre of farmland, and those prey animals fail to feed feed X amount of predator animals. You haven't saved any of them, there are just fewer of them than there would be anyway. If you want to talk about animal rights let's start with the right to live in the first place.
So, there are a lot more Apex predators (humans) than there used to be. I don't think trying to feed them fucking soybeans is the master solution. Look up video of [insert prey animal here] eating animal flesh. You can feed animals pretty much whatever you want, but there's no reason to be retarded about it.
Cows are great prey animals. They are very efficient at fermenting grass into steak (unlike Apex predator humans), and they are obedient, and slow. They're good at not getting eaten by wild predator animals, and they're good at letting people murder them quickly and humanely. I don't see any reason to believe that a healthy grass-fed and finished cow doesn't live a fulfilled life by the time it gets mercy killed.
The solution that makes the most sense to me is to continue displacing other Apex predators with humans, to replace more prey animals with free-range livestock, and to end all farming. Thoughts?
The role of a plant is to grow as abundantly as it can through reproduction. The method of reproduction for many plants requires intervention from some sort of herbivore. Without the cohabitation of plants and herbivores, plants overgrow into abundance and die from a lack of resources. Fruit-bearing plants are even less capable of reproducing without herbivores. When analyzing the relationship between plants and herbivores this way, it is not helpful to see them as counter-productive. One would not exist without the other's checks and balances yada yada.
There is a similar relationship one step up the food chain between predator and prey animals. I rarely see vegans standing up for rats in metropolitan areas. But honestly if you're not retarded you can very quickly rationalize the genocide of rats on a daily basis across the world, because you have an immediate visceral reaction to them. You KNOW the problems they csuse. Prey animals will eat and reproduce for as long as there is fermentable plant matter. Their population will almost always grow even under serious caloric constraints. Predators do not needlessly kill prey; it is a necessity for the good of all of the individuals in a food web for there to be some guy dismembering your deer cousin once in a while.
The common vegan solution to this is to continue raping vast stretches of land to grow mono-crop corn and soybeans, and then complain about cows and their greenhouse gasses. Vegans often fail to realize the opportunity cost of occupying huge stretches of land with non-food-chain-contributing indigestible plants. X number of prey animals are displaced by each acre of farmland, and those prey animals fail to feed feed X amount of predator animals. You haven't saved any of them, there are just fewer of them than there would be anyway. If you want to talk about animal rights let's start with the right to live in the first place.
So, there are a lot more Apex predators (humans) than there used to be. I don't think trying to feed them fucking soybeans is the master solution. Look up video of [insert prey animal here] eating animal flesh. You can feed animals pretty much whatever you want, but there's no reason to be retarded about it.
Cows are great prey animals. They are very efficient at fermenting grass into steak (unlike Apex predator humans), and they are obedient, and slow. They're good at not getting eaten by wild predator animals, and they're good at letting people murder them quickly and humanely. I don't see any reason to believe that a healthy grass-fed and finished cow doesn't live a fulfilled life by the time it gets mercy killed.
The solution that makes the most sense to me is to continue displacing other Apex predators with humans, to replace more prey animals with free-range livestock, and to end all farming. Thoughts?
