DNT - Provide a Better Explanation of the Rank

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  1. Unread #1 - Aug 14, 2016 at 11:40 AM
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    Is it possible to indicate somewhere either through a forced signature or user title what the rank represents? It looks like a rank you can request, the signature/ user title should indicate these users displayed malicious intent in the past and broke the ToS which they agreed to follow or an explanation of what the Do Not Trade rank represents and why users should not trade these members.

    I recommended this in another thread but due to character limitation I feel a forced signature could provide a better explanation. In addition, why do these members even have access to custom user title / signatures? Should this not all be disabled/ forced?

    Below is my post on another thread.

     
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    If and when Matthew puts the tool in for the link to twc report, same could possibly be done for DNT. or have it in their UT/sig should be fine. This way if anyone who REQUESTS a DNT and just simply doesn't use the market, we can tell difference.
     
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    I wonder if it can be automatically done where when a user is placed in DNT, a warning in their signature comes along with it.

    @Sythe it this a possibility?
     
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    There's no warning needed. If someone trades a person with a DNT then some could say them getting scammed would be a great life lesson. The large Do Not Trade as a rank is good as it is and you would have to be utterly stupid to trade someone with this rank.
     
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    Not supporting, Theres a rank that says "do not trade", I'm not going to support branding a chunk of the community 3 different ways just so idiots that cant read understand what the rank means.

    Got to find a balance, multiple brandings of every DnT is not a solution I favor, sorry, I know others disagree but my opinion wont change.

    I however would not mind having the DnT rank clickable(and it links to their reason), that is one solution I think is a reasonably balanced one and makes logical sense,also, your first instinct on a computer when u don't understand something is typically to click it, so I think this would be much much more effective, so I'm not against all these ideas I just don't like the one OP suggested.
     
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    I liked the suggestion where someone had the idea to change the rank for everyone who was banned for something malicious to a description more alarming. Something like "SCAMMER" "SCUMBAG" or "NOBODY WANTS ME HERE."
     
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    Yeah because that's really constructive to helping them want to post & be active in the community and repaying their victims, which is the entire point of the rank.
     
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    Too bad nobody gives two fucks about what they want, and the point of allowing them back at all whatsoever is to get them to pay up. Nobody gives two shits about accommodating them or making this website more pleasant for them because honestly it shouldn't be.
     
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    Except for the fact people are actually requesting it for security purposes making it seem as if users who have this rank are not of legitimate concern. There needs to be a separation of those who request the rank for security purposes and those which broke the rules. Sythe isn't here to teach life lessons, if we were these banned users wouldn't have been allowed back.

    Your first instinct shouldn't be to click something, maybe yours is which explains a lot about your hackings, this rank isn't something to be seen positively, the alternative to being labelled a malicious user in my opinion is to stay banned.

    Like I said above, an alternative is to keep them banned since most of them are just shit posting anyways, it is just disrespectful to those who were scammed to be in the same community as their scammer. Why would we want to label malicious users in the same pool as those who legitimately do not want to trade? By doing this you are providing the malicious users with more respect / trust than is warranted. Being a requested non market user is not the same as being a malicious user.

    Also nobody respects these users, they all showed a lack of character when they broke the ToS. They showed they do not want to be a part of the community by scamming but we are still making it seem that these users are of no legitimate concern by simply providing them with a fun rank which can be considered a security measure requested by the user. Everybody should know these are malicious users and have been banned in the past for misconduct.
     
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    Ever since DNT, this forum has become a lot more fun. I wasn't active that much before DNT, but the forum, especially the spam section (my favorite part of this website) is MUCH more active now. Before DNT it was practically dead. I didn't support DNT at first, however, now I do. Instead of constantly adding more and more tags to DNT users, how about we suggest ways to make them pay instead. The constant adding of derogatory tags will just make them leave again, victims will have 0% chance of repayment again, and this website will become dead again. If you haven't noticed, before DNT, I LITERALLY saw the same 20 people post on everything. It wasn't fun. Half the active community was staff which also wasn't fun.
     
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    I really hope people can understand the 3 simple words of "Do Not Trade" and what that implies. Since UTs are allowed, maybe a blanket statement of "This user has previously scammed and is not allowed in the market" or something to that affect.
     
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    I'd support whatever would genuinel make things safer. Would a forced title make that much of a difference when there's a rank that states do not trade? I don't think so, but i'd support other things if they are good ideas that would actually make a difference.

    People would be dumb to even try trading with DNT, if they care enough to use their sythe account which is DNT tagged.
     
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    the Do Not Trade bit is a bit small imo it should be in bright red at the very least
     
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    Agreed, a user title along those lines would be very helpful to many people who aren't 100% sure of the rank. Putting "This user has previously scammed and is not safe to trade." would work to provide a clearer view of the rank.
     
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    Right now, I know most of the people unbanned were banned for drama related bans or made examples of for rules that didn't exist at the time, which is beyond stupid but this spike in activity will be temporary and I can guarentee in a year or so it will be all scammers/ hackers requesting this rank.

    It will eventually be all high risk DNT members which may try to utilize anything they can including UT, signatures, and vouches to convey trust and get whatever they can out of the community.
     
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    DnT are manually reviewed by Sythe himself currently tho, or the higher staff, its not like there isn't a screening to a degree.
     
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    Yet some of the biggest scammers are allowed back? It doesn't matter about screening because nobody can judge character behind a computer screen. People are easily manipulated on the internet, look at how Finn manipulated everyone and was still allowed back? He told everyone his dad's business was going under to collect money for a shopping spree, he convinced someone to send nude pictures who was probably under age at the time and lied so many times. He was still allowed back... he was only rebanned after so many people complained.
     
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    You haven't been paying enough attention. 95% of the people currently unbanned ARE scammers and malicious users while the other barely 5% were drama/incorrect bans. Most of the people requesting this already are scammers/hackers/etc. It's one huge joke.
    There really isn't screening to a degree, Big Rich just picks some and decides to unban them while deciding not to do so for others.
     
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    I feel like "Non-Market User" seems too much of like the choice of the person. "Banned from Market" as a replacement seems more strict.

    So it would be "Banned from Market" on top, and "Do Not Trade" on the bottom.
     
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