Disprove Creationism/Religion!!!

[jebckr]

Sorry unintelligent nub. The bible didn't say nothing about the Earth being 6000 years old. I love it when silly atheist say idiotic things.

Let's try to be adults here. If the bible dosn;t say how old it is then please share with us what your views are. Thanks.


By the way, would a mod please change the title to "Your views on creationism/religion" as I think people are missing the idea of intelligent discussion here.

 

[Tgump]

Again: I find it scarcely necessary to disprove something that will never be proven. The fact of saying that a god exists is the same as saying Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny exist, or even the PPD. (Pink Pony of Doom)

 

[Shredderbeam]

The current "God" thread is never pro-Christianity, not for lack of availability. I've noticed that.

Because there's only been around two or three. You should beat us to the punch.

 

[Xelex]

so god is a scapegoat for our inadequacies?
from what i can tell, you are saying "science doesnt have an answer for everything, so ill make up an answer for everything.
your wording of the last sentence portrays your views of god, specifically "we have god" obviously shows that you yourself believe him only to be a fictional character made up to make you feel better.


time streams dont magically appear, but gods do?
you take one improbable situation and replace it with another that is hundreds, if not thousands of times more improbably.

You were presented with God before you were presented with science.
God has ideologies you don't agree with, so you take up something that you think is right because it follows laws that you create and devise.
Hence you create science. (Is someone trying to play God?)
Since religion came before science, it's obvious that "religion doesn't have the answer I want, so I'll make up answers to believe myself".
The process of logic and science obviously makes you feel better - because you're put into a position of power where you can play the mortal God.

You didn't know what a time stream was when religion first came into view, yet it "magically appeared" when science was asserted as a way of thinking.
So although God was recognized as an entity that existed prior to man's concoction, you formulated theories, such as the creation of time to counter the idea that God exists by using a double negative to prove an aimless point. Double negative meaning that if time can't pop up, God can't pop up, and if God can't pop up, time can't pop up. And if time can pop up, God doesn't have to pop up. More on that in the next paragraph.

The idea that God's probability is even more improbable than the creation of time is pathetic.
That makes no sense what-so-ever.
Just because time can pop up, God can't?
< this is the point where you insert some random comment about why God can pop up but time can't >
</end comment>
And why can't time just pop up if God can?
Because if God popped up, then God would have made time based on the definition of God.
<insert bewilderment and long pause to create a counter-statement>
It's funny how logic is the base of science, yet your logic in supporting science contradicts history. But, we could always say history is written by the victors, which would completely contradict our current idea of science, because it would invalidate everything you know at the moment.
Let's not go there.
</hastily click quote button>

 

[Personal Jesus]

Sorry unintelligent nub. The bible didn't say nothing about the Earth being 6000 years old. I love it when silly atheist say idiotic things.

If we go back 500 years, we come to the time of Martin Luther (born in 1483), and Columbus, who “sailed the ocean blue in 1492.”
If we go back 1000 years, we come to the time of Leif Ericson, Christian explorer, who preached Christ to pagans. (World Book, 1983, vol.6, page 270.)
If we go back 2000 years, we come to the birth of Jesus Christ. Our calendar is dated from His birth.
If we go back 3000 years, we come to the time of David and Solomon; they ruled Israel about 1000 BC.
If we go back 4000 years, we come to the time of Abraham (2000 BC), ancestor of Arabs and Jews.
If we go back 5000 years, we come to the time of Enoch, who “walked with God 300 years … and God took him [into Heaven].”
If we go back 6000 years, we come to the time of Creation, and Adam and Eve (4004 BC). Luke, evangelist and historian, records Adam as the first man (Luke 3:38).
The earth is about 6000 years old. Let God's people rejoice in Him who made them! (Psalm 149:2)

Shamefully ripped off of: http://www.users.bigpond.com/rdoolan/earthsage.html

 

[dpunk]

You were presented with God before you were presented with science.
God has ideologies you don't agree with, so you take up something that you think is right because it follows laws that you create and devise.
Hence you create science. (Is someone trying to play God?)
Since religion came before science, it's obvious that "religion doesn't have the answer I want, so I'll make up answers to believe myself".
The process of logic and science obviously makes you feel better - because you're put into a position of power where you can play the mortal God.

Religion was formed to explain the things that ancient people could not. Science was not "devised" to do away with religion, it came about when people tried to find answers that religion couldn't explain. Nobody thought "Hey I think I'll use the process of logic and experimentation so that I don't have to adhere to religion". What you're saying doesn't make any sense.

You didn't know what a time stream was when religion first came into view, yet it "magically appeared" when science was asserted as a way of thinking.
So although God was recognized as an entity that existed prior to man's concoction, you formulated theories, such as the creation of time to counter the idea that God exists by using a double negative to prove an aimless point. Double negative meaning that if time can't pop up, God can't pop up, and if God can't pop up, time can't pop up. And if time can pop up, God doesn't have to pop up. More on that in the next paragraph.

Now you're saying that time was "invented" to disprove God? Time probably was first defined when people needed a way to keep track of how much of the day they had left to work.

The idea that God's probability is even more improbable than the creation of time is pathetic.
That makes no sense what-so-ever.
Just because time can pop up, God can't?
< this is the point where you insert some random comment about why God can pop up but time can't >
</end comment>
And why can't time just pop up if God can?
Because if God popped up, then God would have made time based on the definition of God.
<insert bewilderment and long pause to create a counter-statement>

Time never "popped up". Time is just a measure of change. The meter never "popped up" either, we just needed some way to measure length.

It's funny how logic is the base of science, yet your logic in supporting science contradicts history. But, we could always say history is written by the victors, which would completely contradict our current idea of science, because it would invalidate everything you know at the moment.
Let's not go there.
</hastily click quote button>

How science have anything to do with history? Science is just knowledge accumulated by logical thinking, and logic has nothing to do with history. Logic is a concept. I can't find anything worthwhile that you've said. Come back when you're not high.

 

[Infernal Dave]

If we go back 500 years, we come to the time of Martin Luther (born in 1483), and Columbus, who “sailed the ocean blue in 1492.”
If we go back 1000 years, we come to the time of Leif Ericson, Christian explorer, who preached Christ to pagans. (World Book, 1983, vol.6, page 270.)
If we go back 2000 years, we come to the birth of Jesus Christ. Our calendar is dated from His birth.
If we go back 3000 years, we come to the time of David and Solomon; they ruled Israel about 1000 BC.
If we go back 4000 years, we come to the time of Abraham (2000 BC), ancestor of Arabs and Jews.
If we go back 5000 years, we come to the time of Enoch, who “walked with God 300 years … and God took him [into Heaven].”
If we go back 6000 years, we come to the time of Creation, and Adam and Eve (4004 BC). Luke, evangelist and historian, records Adam as the first man (Luke 3:38).
The earth is about 6000 years old. Let God's people rejoice in Him who made them! (Psalm 149:2)

Shamefully ripped off of: http://www.users.bigpond.com/rdoolan/earthsage.html

That is shameful. Of course, what I mean is that phrase is a complete defamation. If you read the bible; psalms 149:2, it clearly states:
"Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King."
If you want it translated to a kids bible, it says this:
"Let Israel be filled with joy because God is their maker. Let the people of Zion be glad because he is their king."

Where the heck does it mention anything about the Earth being 6k years old? The person who indited that quote on that site is inlaying words into the bible, when the bible isn't actually asserting that.

 

[Personal Jesus]

That is shameful. Of course, what I mean is that phrase is a complete defamation. If you read the bible; psalms 149:2, it clearly states:
"Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King."
If you want it translated to a kids bible, it says this:
"Let Israel be filled with joy because God is their maker. Let the people of Zion be glad because he is their king."

Where the heck does it mention anything about the Earth being 6k years old? The person who indited that quote on that site is inlaying words into the bible, when the bible isn't actually asserting that.

No, the Bible doesn't state that "God created Earth 6000 years ago" - however, it's the rough interpretation based on observations from Biblical verses by the Catholic Church.

 

[Swan]

This is going to be a constant debate.

Xelex - you're saying that science was made up? Well, look back to when people discovered how to create fire. That can be shown truthfully by science, the way it actually happens does it not? If you want something more practical, go to the age where the "heretics" created gunpowder - which revolutionised war and helped all of the people that wanted to kill each other because of different beliefs.

As said earlier - come back when you have something good to say.

I'm not going to force my opinion on to people that god doesn't exist, to do so would just start a flame war. I'm not going to disprove something thats been fed to the people for thousands of years, nor am I going to try and give logical reasons for why Earth came to be. To do so is simply madness, because we don't have the means of technology to explore time and/or space, so we don't have the means to explore how things happen.

I hate topics like these - let the flaming begin - wait - its already started. People calling eachother pathetic for doing what the topic owner wanted? I smell a fire.