Pardon's Maybe Fines?

HI guys, It's Instascape.

So my suggestion is to change how to pardon works in a slight way.

Your profile link:
Profile links for all of your Sythe accounts:
Report/post/reason that got you banned:
Proof of contacting victims for repayment or repayment of victims:
Anything you weren't banned for but want to confess to now:
Detailed description of the events that took place and why you think we should forgive you:
Have you fully read and followed the pardon rules and requirements in this thread?
Previous pardon link(s) if applicable:

That's the current template, I think it would be better to split this into 3. So when i submitted my pardon, I didn't have a clue what too expected It's been so many years.

So this is for pure example sake, There's alot more intelligent people on here than myself who could do this alot better.

Your profile link:
Profile links for all of your Sythe accounts:
Anything you weren't banned for but want to confess to now:

This will allow you and the mod to try to put a picture together of what your crimes took place and if you remember what you did you still have a chance to confess for what you've done, This suggestion is probs for older cases where I genuiely could not remember what I did.

Then after gaining knowledge about that crimes what took place you can then move on to the 2nd half:

Report/post/reason that got you banned:
Proof of contacting victims for repayment or repayment of victims:

Should be known at this point and should be quite easy for the user who's pardoning to do.

3rd Part:

Detailed description of the events that took place and why you think we should forgive you:
Have you fully read and followed the pardon rules and requirements in this thread?
Previous pardon link(s) if applicable:

I'll use me as a example because i'm sure there's not alot of you who's had to pardon, I call you lot the non-scum class.

So by the point my pardon was put through, I had no chance to actually fill this part in to the best of my ability, I forgot what I did so how can i explain the above? Saying you forgot I mean is piss poor, I came to pardon though not to tell lies, Clean slate and all..

I understand this would be more pressure on current mods and they look busy enough now leads me to my last point.

@Sythe

It's actually amazing that you guys allow for 2nd chances to own up to your mistakes, Pay whatever you owe back and maybe be allowed back. Idk the %s to the crimes but I bet it's mainly teenagers and then when your adults you want to come back. (The pull of sythe), I've not used Sythe for years and i've actually found some profitable ways to earn a reasonable income from Runescape now because of when i was a teenager, I'm banned and actually losing alot of money by not selling myself again (The Pull of sythe)

But then why should we take time/resources up when it could be slowing down progress in other area's of the websites ruins it for legit players who's been on here for years.

I know it's not much but every pardon should have to pay a $5 or $10 fine, If you don't owe anything then it's a $5 fine for example, Oweing money should be $10. This isn't for sythe to gain, Hell you could even call it a maintenance charge. Before you even start by saying you don't want to discourge peple from maken pardons, This Honestly won't. I could of earnt hundreds if not thousands more since 2020 if I was a legit bussiness on Sythe. Also I don't like the fact that's im subtracting from progression within the community.

I doubt the Fine would discourge scammers.

I don't know if this is much of a suggestion, It fucking best be I put too much time into thus.

Thanks for reading, Please let me know what you think and feel like to suggest/improve this if you think this could lead somewhere.

 

Describe the problem: Pardoning, I really felt my pardon was bad but I didn't know all the info when I submitted it.

What current rule(s) tackle this problem: The Pardoning system is a great idea so it's not to actually change anything about it, It's mainly how the thread lay out and allow more time for the user who is pardoning. I would of loved more time to see and remember all that I did so I can explain myself, With the fine well I think the bottom bit of the essay explains that.

Explain the change: This will allow a more in-depth pardon, Allowing the user who is pardoning more time to fully understand his crimes and to explain them in depth to his best of his knowledgement.

Explain why this change will fix the problem: It would take longer but I think it would be a fairer process, I would of loved an extra week fully understanding of what I've done, I know it will be rejected as it's explaining nothing. (Now I have to wait 6 months) So you see that Pardon was very important to me and I didn't have full knowledgement of what I actually have done.

Side-effects: More pressure on staff Possibly? due to increase pardoning times, It's hard to suggest somthing what's bullet proof as in everyones case more answers leads to more questions.

Didn't see temp Sorry @Yoshiki

 

An interesting idea, but it is too complex and will dissuade people from starting the pardon processing by setting too high of a threshold to enter. No support.

 

Hi @President, I'm glad you found it hopfully an interesting read at the very least, I agree this would make the pardoning system a bit more complex. I don't think it will dissuade people as Sythe's marketplace is a huge pull.

Hi, @Yoshiki, Thanks for the reply man. I think it's how i've explained this and maybe not got the full picture? Let me do my pardon in the new way on here for pure example.

if you all do get this sorry for being arrogant.

Your profile link: @instascape
Profile links for all of your Sythe accounts: @Eli21, As I didn't know any other account's I created I didn't have any knowledgement of runescape80, I trust Yoshiki so I do take Resposonibilty, Honestly can't remember creating it though but now I'm aware of runescape80 I can now go on to "Runescape80" profile to see if my memory drags up anything and maybe even opening more light on why i needed to ban evade in the first place.
Anything you weren't banned for but want to confess to now: No everything we did is public knowledge on sythe.

Then when a mod answers with all the list of accounts what belongs to the current player and once all parties is happy this can be moved on.

But now I fully understand what accounts are mine, This will just genuiely affect my pardon in a much more positive way.

Report/post/reason that got you banned: So I won't post the links just incase it's not allowed, But the user who's pardoning will then link what all what he's done, (I actually Personally think this would be better to make the user who's pardoning look into this himself, When i was going through shit what happended 8 Years ago it was all going back to me.
Proof of contacting victims for repayment or repayment of victims: if any or if there banned/inactive community repayment (Another banging idea)

The mod can now link everything what the user has done and again if all parties accept you can now more to the last part but now I know excatly what I've done and this would make my pardon 100 times better.

Detailed description of the events that took place and why you think we should forgive you: I won't answer this here But I now would be 100% ready to answer this and I can now go into a much detailed version of the events took place, My actual Pardon isn't explaining anything because I didn't remember. I don't even know if Sythe know's that Instascape was with 2 people, I can now go into full details of that partnership to explain what really did happen.
Have you fully read and followed the pardon rules and requirements in this thread?
Previous pardon link(s) if applicable: N/a This question was my first stumbling block. As instascape was a jointly ran account, I had no clue if there was any recent Pardon's. Even me saying that when the mods come to vote will already put me at a disadvantage so again I didn't have any information before fully filling in my pardon.

I can actually see where your coming from, This would be very complexed. It may seems like it's just replacing the thread layout but it really isn't.

Cons: More Complex for mods and Could discourage users for pardoning, Alot more time consuming. (Sure there's more)

Pros: High quality Pardoning, Maken the pardoning System a little harder might encourage less scams? (I don't see there much evidence to support that claim though). I do think this would discourage people whom don't see sythe's full potienal.

I can totally see the drawbacks, The pardon system you have in place is great. I just wished I had another week to really explain to you all what happended/Why it happended/Why I won't ever do this/that again and really make a good soild pardon, It was locked and went into voting before I could even explain this. (Hope you guys can see the drawback to how i'm seeing it?) because I can defo see it from where u guys are coming from.


@President @Yoshiki Can you please give me your honest thought about the whole *Fine* Suggestion, It would be very interesting to see where 2 mods stand with that.


Also This is a suggestion thread not me being fucking Gandi but if you are thinking about scamming or doing any dumb shit just don't FFS, I did this and now I'm banned and since 2020 I could of earnt (Rough Figures but based on Buy/Sell gp prices at that time compared to more recent prices, I coulda of earnt 1,817 POUNDS MORE. (Rough figure, But the sum will be near enough that) That's atleast 118 strippers.

 

If someone doesn’t remember why they were DNT’d they can simply click the DNT on their profile reach out to a staff member.

I also don’t agree with the monetary charge to post a pardon request.

No support from me.

 

Hi mate, Thanks for the reply and good feedback.

It all depends if you have an account what is DNT'D and Not "Banned" If it's banned the pardon itself is a massive ballache, I don't mean like a fine for a pardon? But like maybe a fine added onto the total bill just before it goes into voting? I am seeing massive flaws, Sounded pretty good to me when i was very stoned dis-morning. XD

Instascape.


It would be interesting to see the facts about how much resources the Pardoning selection takes up, Wouldn't it be benefitcal for a little fine so that can be put towards growth, Improvements and even advertising. At the end of the day without sythe all this would be for nothing anyhow so wouldn't it be sensible to re-invested the time and resources into expanding into other markets or what not?

Also @owned Don't the DNT'D rank just take you to the Ban evading account? Idk but mine does?

 

If you are unsure of why you are DNT'd or banned, you can PM a staff member.

I've been here for nearly 17 years; I of all people would love to see effort put towards growth, improvement, and advertising of Sythe. None of those three things will happen.

This is my last post on this thread - again, no support.

 

@owned

You gotta respect a OG like urself so fully taken on-board, Don't think this suggestion is going anywhere due to 3 Highly respected members already disagreeing.

Thanks for the comments guys.

 

I said it would be my last post, but this is actually my last one. It was a well intentioned suggestion, and I really appreciate that.