[Denied]Harsher punishment for continued TWC

So this is quite simple really, I find that giving people 30 days to reflect on how they act then get it again a week later isn't really appropriate.

I understand second chances, even third chances if you want to take the piss a bit but after that you are just out right abusing the system and how it works because you know you can get away with it.

An example of the many I can provide - TWC removal whilst I don't know the full extents of stuff with @RUNGOLD clearly there has been more to it.

We have seen many people come and go with this same issue, @elevement and such too. I feel that the staff are too soft on this sort of stuff ,but yet if we "post in a dispute" we get infractions and build ups that can lead to let's say a 1 month ban etc like I received a short period ago.

 

Agreed, twc's should be enforced way more, a lot of people get let go with just a warning for doing shady stuff (advertising false claims and so on). As for your example i don't think he deserves the twc removed any time soon as he clearly showed in multiple reports he has no intention to run a honest service. Glad staff team is improving and majority of them see through his bullshit.

As for regular sketchy behavior even with twc i would suggest temp bans

 

Agreed, twc's should be enforced way more, a lot of people get let go with just a warning for doing shady stuff (advertising false claims and so on). As for your example i don't think he deserves the twc removed any time soon as he clearly showed in multiple reports he has no intention to run a honest service. Glad staff team is improving and majority of them see through his bullshit

Pretty much and it's not even just him.

There are many examples that can be easily found at a slight glance, and it just seems that people don't learn.

If you was to make a dispute, regardless of it being relevant or not I would be given warning points. Given the information I was provided privately from a member who told me about the infraction builds when I was reporting posts, @Gun actually got off with a lot of bans and such. Let's say the infractions would go to x4 after that you get your 1 month ban, after that it resets on him but not others? Or at least something like that.

I'm glad he saw the ban hammer, it was well deserved as he doesn't show anything at all appropriate to the forums and what we should welcome, and this is a similar story, although yes trade with caution can be given for many reasons it's clear why it's there and what it means.

 

He might be the one setting up the imposter scams, and scamming hundreds of mills for a month twc is worth it to a lot of people (pure speculation)

If the SAME mistake keeps happening and people are suffering great losses because of it a dnt should be warranted (for x amount of time, or potentially a pardon).

Idk whether or not to support, however I think staff should handle these sort of things at their own discretion and harsher punishment should be warranted if suitable

 

He might be the one setting up the imposter scams, and scamming hundreds of mills for a month twc is worth it to a lot of people (pure speculation)

If the SAME mistake keeps happening and people are suffering great losses because of it a dnt should be warranted (for x amount of time, or potentially a pardon).

Idk whether or not to support, however I think staff should handle these sort of things at their own discretion and harsher punishment should be warranted if suitable

I sort of get what you mean, and it could be true also but also as you said purely speculation.

The problem is, when this is repeated and repeated and then a 30 day slap on the wrist they know they can get away with it. Now let's say if they slapped a 3 month DNT like they would other scammers and such, do you think they would repeat it after finally getting to appeal 3-6 months later?

 

[JSand]

After X number of TWC's you should be banned. Simple as that, I support this change.

 

[Neres]

Support, a TWC itself is a second chance on its own, there should be a limit.

 

Albert Einstein: The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results

It’s hard to predict whether or not they’ll ever learn, but I think harsher punishment should be warranted in specific scenarios where history keeps repeating itself, and is causing direct losses in wealth to members.

 

It’s hard to predict whether or not they’ll ever learn, but I think harsher punishment should be warranted in specific scenarios where history keeps repeating itself, and is causing direct losses in wealth to members.

Correct, this is the only problem. After a second time or so, as I said it's now taking the piss, as they know right from wrong.

We are not their parents, so we can only do so much to protect the other users of the forum.

 

[Flipz]

yep applying twc 6 times over seems kind of pointless can't believe he's still on this site lmao

 

yep applying twc 6 times over seems kind of pointless can't believe he's still on this site lmao

From what I have seen, each time he gets TWC that donation rank goes up.

 

I don't support,

Trade with caution is meant to be a temporary punishment which then user learns from and show the staff team they have improved in the trading practice that they did wrong from the essential offense, granted longest twc I had was for 2 days and it was removed by admin (Thanks @Champ). If staff see improvements they will support if not they don't, simple as. Changing the structure of TWC offense doesn't seem like a benefit,

Do I think the staff team is to light on voting on TWC dispute, yes? is there any way we can change that, no not really.

 

Do I think the staff team is to light on voting on TWC dispute, yes? is there any way we can change that, no not really.

Well there is, such as having more strict ruling.

People get affected due to this stupidity, and if you're not learning after the first or second time, but instead in some cases the sixth, if not more then no you are not learning.

 

I agree with this suggestion man. I get where you’re coming from @ABM about TWC being a learning lesson. However, after two or three TWC’s it becomes a moot point. If someone can’t follow the rules despite being given multiple chances, then chances are they’re never going to.

 

Well, it's not exactly correct that we only apply TWC over and over. I've forum banned RUNGOLD for 3 days after the last RaS report.

TWC is not meant to be a punishment, it's there for a protection of other sythe users (even though it has an impact on user's business, he's not restricted)-

I support the idea of being more strict on people who learn slower from their mistakes, by applying forum bans more frequently. TWC + temp forum ban -> TWC + temp ban -> permanent DNT in rare cases. There's no reason for permanent bans, though IMO.

 

I support the idea of being more strict on people who learn slower from their mistakes, by applying forum bans more frequently. TWC + Forum ban -> TWC + temp ban -> permanent DNT in rare cases. There's no reason for permanent bans, though IMO.

I agree, I mean I don't expect people to get perm banned but I was using gun as a general show of what could be possible.

The same applies with Run, I didn't mean it to be him specifically targeted, but he is a prime example of the wrong. Each time he gets warranted with a TWC, he puts a donation in, like "oh hey guys I can be more trusted because I spent my workers money on a donation rank hehe"

I do feel something more could be done, what specifically needs to be outlined what could or should happen if it was to keep happening, the last thing you should want is that ugly rank as it makes us all look bad.

 

I like this suggestion quite honestly. TWC imo is meant to teach the recipient/give them a chance to learn from their mistakes. Lately I've seen this being completely neglected and I do feel that if this is the case, stricter punishments must be used. It's not the fault of the customers that providers/sellers are neglecting proper etiquette on marketing thus putting them at risk.

Support for harsher punishments for extended periods of time being TWC and not showing any signs of progress/improvement.

 

I don't support,

Trade with caution is meant to be a temporary punishment which then user learns from and show the staff team they have improved in the trading practice that they did wrong from the essential offense, granted longest twc I had was for 2 days and it was removed by admin (Thanks @Champ). If staff see improvements they will support if not they don't, simple as. Changing the structure of TWC offense doesn't seem like a benefit,

Do I think the staff team is to light on voting on TWC dispute, yes? is there any way we can change that, no not really.

Feedback can change it, if enough of Sythe community come together and speak up that is why feedback exists. I agree partially with you, but in this situation @Dbuffed is referring to, it's the same issue or similar repeating itself, so this is a bad call by supporting as user did not learn lesson..

 

Full support of this, similar to other recommendations about harsher punishment for repeat offenders and allowing users who donate X amount or are liked by X people to get away with same offences abusing the system is not working here.
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Maybe keep users TWC 45-60 days second offence? Increase punishment so users improve behaviors, I received warning and that is all I will need ensuring better communication with clients

 

From what I have seen, each time he gets TWC that donation rank goes up.

I will only say that I no support what you say, there are better ways to deal with this issue. All my twc have not been for the same reason. I know, I've been an idiot but I learn from it. I have taken full responsibility for my actions, but it should be noted that I have always sought improvements.

Now to answer what you just wrote, not only does my donor rank increase, it also increases my vouchers.

If you take a moment to see, I can receive a TWC, but my vouches always increases because the customers are satisfied by the services I provide.

I apologize to anyone who has been affected by my business practices, you will always be welcome to write to my discord, and I will compensate my mistakes.