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  1. Unread #1 - Jun 30, 2019 at 7:32 PM
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    Hello friends!

    I am think about ways to help Sythe.org and victim of scams, I see thread for user to post eligible scam reports to be opt-in to the funds and dice roll thread of repayment to choose winner, but no thread or link or format to easily and directly donate to the community repayment.

    I donate to support Sythe already, but want to directly help scam victim too for others who donate to Sythe.org already or who spend free time to help community like CDT or Mod/Admin.

    Here is list I ask for help to make in good format so to understand, I think cause confusion from way of typing from see Hopes reply.

    Eugene said,

    1. Allow Sythe gold to be rewarded to users who were to participate in this additional donation fund for when or if it gets implemented.

    2. Provide a little badge that shows participation of this, it would have no merit towards any false trust, just like a minirank it would be a badge in the right side, and users could choose to show it off or not for their kind acts.

    3. Specifically create a top contributor reward or perhaps a top few ranking list of the donaters, as well as having their name listed on the thread with a shout out for their participation, and if done correctly there should be no false trust provided from this badge. Because then again, that's why he's even suggesting this in the first place to make people want to donate towards repaying this community and it's a good thing.

    4. Allow some additional participation in certain site events, and for that to be worked out or brainstormed by the community event team so they are happy with the outcome.

    5. Provide users who donate certain amounts of $50+ towards the funds with some kind of relief towards infraction build-ups that are not necessarily malicious such as posting on a thread to provide helpful information.

    6. Host some sort of charity event for Sythe perhaps allow games moderators or community event members to coordinate tournaments like they do with league of legends or DotA with a set buy in amount of $5 and if 50 people were to participate prize pool is $150 and split amongst the team who wins, or player depending on the event or game, at least see if it works and if not then the idea can be moved on from.

    Dude thought of this in like 2 hours give him props lol.

    This message was typed in proper English for Pak and copy/pasted by him to follow site rules.

    Only $100/200+ donater/Mod+/CDT ranks may be eligible for to be repaid with this extra donation fund which is separate from how it currently is where if someone pardons they repay and only those funds are listed towards going to the victims. I think good suggestion as may increase donation to Sythe.org for incentive if been scammed to be repaid quicker with having additional funds, decrease chance donor will scam quit to get donor payment back if they get repaid and don't go "bankrupt" as Hope claims below, promote good activity in community and create extra events or perks to incentivise users to want to donate. If you don't bother to make incentives I agree with Hope, not many would want to actually donate.

    $100/200+ donater eligibility because if $5-$50 can maybe be manipulated, also another good incentive for increase donation to Sythe.org as if you donate $100 early on, gain 200 vouches and then get scam by your business partner for thousands, the ability that you can be repaid would reduce the chance of donors scam quitting. This obviously is not going to work for users with crack and gambling addictions such as KO the old leader from DDYCE.

    As will take time off bond holder or mod to process donation and assist maybe we give 1-3% to bond holder or mod who handle donation from total amount donated and rest to community repay thread. This will help user who spend time of their own to hell community.

    I think mod or bondholder can take payment of no chargeback method if user like myself want to donate to help community, and then rolled and use here [Official]Community Repayment Dice Thread .

    Crypto/RSGP only accept no PayPal or Venmo for chargeback to be safe if user want to participate in organize community event see option 1-6 below.

    I will start with first $100 donated to community repayment if idea is accept. If you want to help or think this good idea please support thread and mod and CDT maybe can organize how payment is received and then roll to repayment thread.

    I do not want see negative reply here like " people will not donate" not for you to judge other kind act and this type of comment is waste of time.

    Format the community repayment thread so there is a spoiler list of donators who contribute if they wish to be shown, that's the least that can be done for someone being generous.

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  3. Unread #2 - Jun 30, 2019 at 11:27 PM
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    No, not same. Thread you post is for people who are scammed. If scammer return and pardon and pay debt it go there.

    Read post... It say donation thread, thread for member to donate additional money for this thread, that thread does not say can donate towards, you did not read post... If did you see I say suggestion is to encourage user to donate toward scam victim, that thread is basic, post if scammed, if approved pardon repay money go there then is rolled, my thread is to add more fund to this idea
     
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  7. Unread #4 - Jun 30, 2019 at 11:31 PM
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    That's the thing though, users are already free to do exactly what you are suggesting. And those funds go towards community repayment
     
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    Correct, they are free to, that is irrelevant though. This comment has nothing to do with wanting to make users donate or be creative and find ways to put funds back into the community. Perhaps you have a valid idea that would contribute to the main purpose of this thread rather than argue the idea entirely.
     
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    The suggestion in general has some underlying flaws that won't be good for the site either.

    This isn't something that will be implemented purely because Sythe somewhat operates as a dispute resolution site. You have to consider that a lot of people don't have 100$ to throw to donate. A lot of people here are donors and non-donors. Donors will scam regardless if they wanted to. So long as the amount they profit > what they donated, and if they were in it for malicious intent, then they will most definitely scam and leave with it.

    Are you suggesting that if a non donor was scammed for their bank, they would have to donate another 100$ to even qualify to be put into the queue to be refunded?

    You may not want to see it, but I will say it. If something like this was implemented, you can rest assured that people won't be more inclined to donate. Having a donor perk like this isn't fair at all to the rest of the community and it shouldn't be implemented. Now, I applaud you for your good intentions with this suggestion but quite honestly, it will do more harm than good.
     
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    We can come up with idea to make user want to, this additional funds only accessable to $100+ donor not everyone, to encourage more fund to this repay thread. Maybe this can be used with Sythe gold idea, maybe something else, instead of shoot idea down and say won't work, contribute to idea and see if other user have some good idea. Very easy to just say no and be lazy and negative.. that is not help at all. If you are not creative enough to think of good idea fine, let other post and see then, then say if will work or not... Instead of not even give a try.
     
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    Again:

    I am contributing to your idea, I am pointing out the flaws in it and if you aren't able to realize that then I can't do much more for you there. I am entitled to voice my opinions on suggestion threads just as much as you are. It is not my intention to offend/hurt your feelings but I suggest you to respond critically instead of saying I am being lazy and negative.
     
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    Hope said:
    Are you suggesting that if a non donor was scammed for their bank, they would have to donate another 100$ to even qualify to be put into the queue to be refunded

    Yes, for this additional fund Option only, not everyone is "scammed for bank" as clear that would not work. If already donated $100+ to Sythe and later on is scam they qualify for extra donation fund
     
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    This is simply your opinion which you are entitled to, but mine as I am entitled to, is that this is incorrect. How is wanting to donate $100 towards the funds to help people bad??? How is creating positive and fun events possibly bad? I haven't Said any ideas and already you are just jumping the gun which was kindly asked to avoid, I'd like to see a breakdown of how you could think this is bad instead of just being vague about it to prove relevance of what your simply claiming. You may as well just say no support and consider it spam and move on if you don't plan to elaborate on your vague claims. Coming from a CDT member, instead of maybe coming up with an idea to assist the community you've done the exact opposite, this is disappointing to see.
     
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    As good as it sounds it also makes scamming easier. I'm sure people would donate to this which would make community repayment a lot faster, which opens new gateways to abuse, which i really wont bother explaining to give anyone ideas
     
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    How friend? Roll is literally random... Nobody know for a fact they will get access to all fund if roll is random for who gets fund. You may as well take away repayment completely then, perhaps suggest 1+ year join date to decrease abuse then??
     
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    No one abuses it now cuz it takes too long, it wont take long if this passes. Also knowing how sketchy most "trusted" people here are i wouldn't be surprised if this happens anyway
     
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    I see point friend, so allow 1+ year join date only, that way you can not be a donor, claim got scammed, but was staged and not actually true scam, and then ask for repay. Maybe cap fund like already setup to avoid then? Purpose is suggestion thread to suggest good idea, have any good idea friend? I'm sure can find way to avoid abuse.
     
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    You can already easily buy aged sythe accounts, but this is not the problem. Something like a cap on max amount possible for refund would work better to reduce the profit as well as refunding only the first person to report the scammer. The main problem i see with fast refunds is every scam quit having an extra steps to increase profit.
     
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