Delete the "Graphics Designer" Fun Rank

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Delete the "Graphics Designer" Fun Rank
  1. Unread #1 - Mar 8, 2019 at 2:17 PM
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    Problem

    1. This is a very misleading fun rank that has not been given to users for years. I cannot even find any information about it on the forum besides random posts on Google.

    2. This rank is hurting consumers by misleading them into thinking that the users possessing it are true 'professional' GFX artists; in reality, they were just given this rank on an arbitrary basis.

    3. Many forum users (both old and new alike), do not know that this rank may have been given out to certain individuals who made 3 forum node icons back in 2007

    4. The only known way of receiving this is if Sythe himself gives it to you

    5. For the reasons listed above, it is also not fair to the GFX market since there are plenty of extremely talented artists and they simply cannot receive it.

    Solution

    1. Either get rid of this rank entirely (probably the easiest and simplest way to go about it).

    2. Make a way for people to be able to apply / receive this rank on a merit basis. All existing users should be stripped of this rank and go through the application process.

    3. Somehow make sure that the users aren't using Fiverr or someone elses work when they do apply for it

    4. Original Suggestion by @Luke Make the "Fun Rank" into something "Fun"; such as 'Doodler' or anything else that doesn't make it sound like a 'professional' GFX artist.
     
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  3. Unread #2 - Mar 8, 2019 at 2:21 PM
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    Cannot agree more very misleading, makes people look trusted and"accepted" as a "good" designer by the sythe as a whole which we all know isn't true. If there is a graphics designer "fun" rank why can't there be a trusted gold seller "fun" rank.
     
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  5. Unread #3 - Mar 8, 2019 at 2:22 PM
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    I support. Was mislead by this rank, wish I had known that this rank does't mean much. Had no clue it was given out on an arbitrary basis.
     
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  7. Unread #4 - Mar 8, 2019 at 3:30 PM
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    Delete the "Graphics Designer" Fun Rank

    I support

    What does this funrank mean? creating a logo for the site? one and one and you get a funrank which essentially gives false representation to nwecomers looking for GFX and get gang banged by surge prices.
    Lets not forget if you wanted 1080p instead of 720...........................

    To my knowledge the other fun ranks are given to members that are
    1. Part of a team and ACTIVE / CDT / TC / PR
    2. Part of staff and ACTIVE -- mods / admins
    3. OMM (there is a flaw here, as many are inactive, they need reevaluate these people)
    4. Ex-admin/mod - these are earned
    5. Highly trusted / highly respected - I assume these are given for a reason, as they have significantly earned these.
    6. ghost face / monster / crabby etc etc (there is a lot of these) - these types of funranks hold no value other than they are funny i presume.

    But than there is "GRAPHICS ARTIST" this funrank to me screams pro/trusted/reliable/preferred/better and it can be easily used and manipulated into a promoting yourself above the rest + supercharging by having this funrank.

    If they are going to keep the Graphics artist funrank, I would only like it to be given to users that are here, active, and ready to produce FREE work to CDT and PR. is this the case atm? Can i contact @T1N0 for free graphics for the twitter? but if it is because you created a logo on sythe's web page and its a one and done? if that's the case you should of been compensated with a few bucks, not a funrank which is misleading.
     
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  9. Unread #5 - Mar 8, 2019 at 3:54 PM
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    Delete the "Graphics Designer" Fun Rank

    I suppose it could be converted into a more fun rank and be called 'doodler' or something along those lines.
    Even if considered arbitrary now, doesn't seem fair to take it away from the people who got it for whatever they did before, even if a small feat.

    I do agree with the misconception possibilities though with it staying named Graphics Artist, it is pretty official looking.
     
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    I agree it gives false credibility i love @Luke idea of just changing it to something well fun. Not fair to remove the rank entirely but also not fair these people have a edge for being right place right time for a one and done.
     
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    Great suggestions, adding these into the possible solutions. Thanks for the input!
     
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  15. Unread #8 - Mar 8, 2019 at 4:53 PM
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    Delete the "Graphics Designer" Fun Rank

    In that case then what about funranks like the Highly Trusted, Highly respected, Crabby, Secret Asian man and all the other funranks? I don't support this because this isn't the only funrank that exists and it is not the only other funrank that is hardly given out. Some people who aren't active in the market hold the Highly Trusted funrank so wouldn't that imply a false sense of trust if the user or user's in question returned to use the market?

    Since I didn't give any clarification to prove my point I feel I should edit this post and do so

    Example of user with Highly Trusted funrank:
    Steph

    Has not been active in the market since 2011 (assumed from their post in a thread in 2011). Does that mean if the user came back tomorrow then they should still have the trust that they did back in 2011 when they used the market?
     
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  17. Unread #9 - Mar 8, 2019 at 5:27 PM
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    Delete the "Graphics Designer" Fun Rank

    The fun ranks you mentioned:

    1. Highly Trusted - given to RETIRED administrators of the site

    2. Crabby - this fun rank is actually what a fun rank is supposed to be, 'fun'

    3. Secret Asian man - same as above

    4. Most other fun ranks are 'fun'

    5. The argument I made was that Graphics Artist is misleading to many users old and new. I do not understand what you are trying to say here. I suggested that the GFX fun rank be either renamed or actually become a "fun" rank; not something that makes it seem they are an actual professional GFX artist. As it is, this fun rank seems more like an official user and many many users (some who have posted here if you read the replies)
     
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  19. Unread #10 - Mar 8, 2019 at 6:53 PM
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    I'd like to point out that your 1st point is invalid

    I'd like to reference R2Pleasent who has it and is a retired Global Moderator, NOT retired administrator:
    R2Pleasent

    Also you never replied to my actual point, I didn't reference R2P in my post because he actually uses the market. You never talked about any form of 'false sense of trust' which is the point I talked about in my original post.

    2+3 points are funranks yes but I was trying to portray that they don't actually mean anything

    4, yes most other funranks are fun but not all. Another one would be Highly Respected, this rank can also display a false sense of trust for users who aren't active in the market who just come back and can use it to display a sense of trust.

    TLDR; I'm not offering my support for this suggestion based on the fact that this thread is entirely hypocritical, you are suggesting to remove one particular funrank as you believe it is hurting consumers and it's misleading (as well as a bunch of other miscellaneous points) but you are not suggesting to remove any other funrank that can give the exact same effect.
     
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  21. Unread #11 - Mar 8, 2019 at 7:22 PM
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    Thanks for your wonderful input ! I do not fundamentally agree with any of your statements at all but I appreciate the incredible incredible hours and thought you put into your reasoning.

    All I am saying is this needs to be either removed or be less misleading.
     
  23. Unread #12 - Mar 8, 2019 at 7:37 PM
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    I did not put an incredible number of hours into my reasoning, please save your humour and trolling to the spam forum, the suggestion forum is not for that. Additionally I do not need you to agree with my opinions.

    I am still waiting for you to explain how the highly trusted funrank for people who are not participating for the market is not misleading and on top of that I'm still waiting for you to backup your false statement to show that the highly trusted funrank is only given to RETIRED administrators of the site.
     
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    Also, I am not trolling, please stop the baseless accusations, yet again. I was commending you for a well thought out response.

    Can you link me to where it says the requirements for this rank?
     
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    There is no thread/post (that I can find or is publicly available as far as I know) stating the requirements of this rank similar to the rank you're suggesting to be removed, you made the statement that this rank is only given to RETIRED administrators of this site in your post above so surely if you know the requirements why are you asking me to provide a thread/post to show you the requirements of it. I'm not the one who made the statement so I am waiting for you to back up the point you made earlier in this thread.
     
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  29. Unread #15 - Mar 8, 2019 at 7:53 PM
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    If there is no thread with an explanation, my statement is technically neither incorrect nor is it correct. Unless you link me to any thread to back up your claim of my false statement, your statement is false as well.
     
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    Why do I have to provide you with a thread/post to prove that your statement is incorrect, I've shown you an example of a user who is not a Retired Administrator and has the rank, therefore it proves that this rank is not only given to RETIRED Administrators.

    Anyway going back to the main purpose of this thread, things like highly trusted funranks are considered 'exclusive' funranks and can only be handed out by Administrators whenever they're deemed fit.

    Referencing the following posts:

    About Fun Ranks
    [VOTE! *HIP-HOP*] Monthly Graphics Challenge Voting #7 [MINIRANK/FUNRANK] (read the bottom to see about exclusive funranks)

    Also any administrator can hand out the Graphic's Designer Funrank, it's not the only known way, its just that Sythe is most notable for handing it out, doesn't mean it's the only way to obtain it.
     
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  33. Unread #17 - Mar 15, 2019 at 1:12 AM
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    Delete the "Graphics Designer" Fun Rank

    Support, GFX Fun rank should be available to everyone (After certain number of GFX sales or something like that)

    Lot of people deserve it.

    So better to delete it I guess
     
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    If someone is being misled by a funrank they probably can't be helped regardless lol
    I doubt the "market advantage" is anything considerable at all. People order designs, in my experience, choosing based on quality of work, reputation, and how quick they're responded to.
    It doesn't matter how a user receives a funrank, all it means is that the user has experience/expertise in the subject area (referring to the "skill" funranks).
    As far as I am aware any admin has the power to give out funranks but that typically doesn't happen now days due to various reasons.
    Why does it have to be fair though? The users who have it have earned it, I don't think it should be taken away from them because other's haven't earned it. What I do think you are getting at is that not every user has an equal chance at obtaining the funrank, but everything in life can't be made fair for everyone.
    Very lazy solution that I am not in support of.
    I don't think anyone wants to deal with the application/voting process for this extremely arbitrary rank.
    That's very subjective and hard to prove, would be a headache for anyone trying to deal with this realistically.


    All in all I think it is fine the way it is, most people who have been here long enough have had plenty of opportunity to help the right people with things for a chance at the funrank, though it probably isn't the best idea to do work specifically with the goal in mind of being rewarded with the special funrank. I've also written this super late before I sleep so if I don't make sense just like my post and move on thanks
     
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    No support for the suggestion for all the points above. Give me a break with GFX rank indicating trust. What indicates trust and should be considered when picking the right gfx artist are: Feedback, Examples of Previous Work and a Price.
    If someone has bad business practices they should have a TWC rank applied on their profile, which T1N0 does. There's also a RaS archive.
     
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    1. This is the wrong attitude to have towards consumers on Sythe. Why intentionally mislead consumers? Link the GFX graphics rank to a thread that says it is absolutely worthless and arbitrarily handed out then. I can’t find ANY information on it. Of all people, you would know how easy it is to be misled on Sythe, as a market moderator after all.

    Quite the contrary. Your experience is quite different than around the 7 or so newcomers on this website misled by this rank and it’s definition. Just because you know what it means does not mean that others will. I, along with numerous others were misled because there is simply no information about it. It makes it seem like they are professional artists when they aren’t.


    So users with “Monster” minirank have expertise in monsters? How about users with crabby? Crab experts? Prince Yaboro? Expert princes?

    Mind validating your answer here? I was told differently from another staff. Why, also, does this not happen nowadays “due to various reasons”? What are these reasons?

    The whole point of this debate is that other fun ranks are not as misleading as this one. Yes this is a free market; let everyone do as they please. Why regulate this market in the first place then?

    What’s your solution to this then?

    Baseless assumption being made here. I would deal with the process, and I’m sure many others would. Have you asked anyone around?

    All in all, I disagree with all of your points.
     
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