The Shroud of Turin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8KLjxFCpXw

Real? Fake? How could the image have gotten there? Is it proof that there was a "Jesus"?

Debate.

P.S- Not quite sure how to embed it, if someone would for me I would appreciate it.

 

It's not proof of Jesus, it's only proof of a man whom was crucified, tortured and had his corpse place on a shroud. Crucifixions weren't an uncommon occurrence during the time of Jesus, so it could be of virtually anyone. Jesus is definitely not the only person to has ever been crucified. Radiocarbon dating shows that the shroud is approximately 700 years old - and Jesus lived 2,000 years ago. Though some historians claim that a fire may have added extra carbon particles to it, and a medieval repairment of the shroud may have corrupted it even further.

Scientists so far has no reasonable explanation, so it would call for a biased opinion to label it as either fake or real.

Edit: semi-offtopic, but random fun fact: in Yemen, non-lethal crucifixions are still being held for criminals whom have been found guilty of murder and other 'code red' crimes.

 

Very interesting reply, I was hoping I would get a nice response

The one problem that I see with this is that the Shroud was found in the tomb where Jesus was lain. But, it could have been placed there, we don't know, but it was more than likely there and not placed. The first type of dating found that the shroud dated to about 2,000-2,050 years ago. The they attempted carbon dating and it showed 700 or so years, but the fire could have easily distorted that.

The funny thing is that if someone placed it there, who had the technology to make that? That's where your theory hits a dead end. It wasn't a photo, it wasn't drawn on, it wasn't a painting, it wasn't burnt on, etc.

How did it get there? The other place where your theory goes wrong is the pollens which they found on the shroud. The shroud is kept in Turin, Italy. They found pollens which could only be found in Bethlehem and Jerusalem on the shroud confirming that the shroud had originated there. The carbon dating doesn't deter me at all because even if it was 700 years ago, there is no way anyone could have created something so sophisticated. Also, the blood was confirmed placed on the shroud before the image. How could someone have placed the blood then known exactly where to draw the body with the exact cuts without any flaws?

Scientists also say that the nail marks, the gouge in his side and the cuts from the crown are all EXTREMELY accurate based on their locations on the shroud. It ties together, it's just not the dating because that isn't sufficient.

 

Umm.. Yeah I believe in it.

 

I remember seeing this on TV. It was proved that it did not belong to Christ.

 

It's never been proven to be Jesus/not Jesus and it's never been proven that it's real/fake. So I'm not sure what you were viewing, but it most definitely wasn't about the Shroud of Turin.