Cloning; Destructive or Helpful?

Honestly, do you think that cloning humans is right?

Scientists have already cloned ants, mice, and even sheep. Would it hurt to clone humans? Do you think cloning would help the world, or just add to all of the major problems (wars, global warming, etc.)

Post your thoughts and ideas here.

 

I"m not sure if you understand the possible implications of cloning. They in no way will give you a slave - ever.

 

Agreed.
Not to mention, a clone would cost millions of dollars, which most people don't have the money to pay for. If you have a clone created of yourself, it could possibly damage your being, in the sight that it would technically be you, but could do whatever it so pleased.

 

lol I don't think you get cloning. They have cloned a human. Its basicly when a baby is still developing in the stomache they go in and change the cellular crap and make it like yours. It will develope and be pretty much exactly like you. Its still a frekin human though so it will develope from a baby up. Its not like walk into a cloning machine and out comes an identical person same age and everything. Not like that at all.

 

Ok first of all, the baby develops in the uterus, not the stomach . Second of all, cloning a human is much much different than cloning an animal. Cloning an animal is much less dangerous because their systems are smaller and some not as sophisticated. They have to literally make sure that when the DNA mixes (egg and sperm ) that they make the exact copy. Of course, there is the factor of personality. Even if you can clone a human being into the exact replica, their personality is as free-minded as anyone else's. So they could eventually just stop listening to you, as it is their right.

So no, cloning has dangers beyond belief. The dangers include birth defects and failure of cloning. Harm to the human being itself. And overall, protest about the natural "way of life."

So no, cloning is not the best for the human race right now. But, they do use cloning to test how a disease reacts/affects a human. So in some cases, it is good, but in most it could cause trouble throughout the human race.

 

I guess I really need to look more into it.

 

I think the idea of cloning is pretty interesting, and I'd like to see it done to more animals. The only problem with cloning humans, which I'm sure we will get it right in the near future, would be that humans have feelings and emotions.

 

When do you think we still start actually cloning humans?

 

This is true. The only kind of cloning or stem cell research that the government will give the go ahead on is cloning of organs for those whose liver is failing.

In my opinion, personality is largely affected by your environment. The clone would have no environment, no parents, nothing. It would therefore have no personality and eventually commit suicide. I've still got my fingers crossed for some corporate clones I know..

Entire humans will never legally be cloned.

 

I don't think the world is ready for clones. I think that there would be lots of prejudice to them and hatred for being "soulless" as some people believe. I honestly do not have a problem with it, although i don't like the idea of a slave.

 

We can clone animals, so why not humans. People only hate it because they think it's weird, which is a very bad reason.

 

Do you think it's weird?

 

They have cloned many other things and can already clone a human beings they have just now (a year or 2 maybe less) ago cracked the human gnome

you definitely do not understand cloning, they clone things like they do the "test toob babies" and they have NOT created a clone of a human atleast not cloned one that has been put out to public because it is against the law and claimed to be un ethical.

They do not clone humans they do duplicate some organs but that is extremely rare they usually use anime organs and a latex type thing that covers it in which your tissure will grow around and almost consume. (sorry i forgot what the substance is called but I am sure if you do a little research you can find it out easy enough)

 

Lol they have cloned a human and it was out in the public. I remember doing a thing on it in school at the time as well. So guess I could say the same to you?

And to the guy who corrected me I know baby isn't developed in the stomache I just couldn't think of the word lol thanks though. And I also believe they are getting to the point whear they can basically decide what the person personality will be like.

 

it's not right to clone human beings and slave them. evetho they would a clones. it's not just right

 

Destructive, enslaving people; even if its yourself; is wrong. Plus think of all the people that would do bad with it by cloning things from the past... Hitler, dinosaurs, etc

 

The have not created a human clone, atleast not one in any of the big countries ie us canada, england china japan etc. if you say they have show me a link to the proof?

 

Yay, an interesting topic. Kick back while Deacon reveals his knowledge in an old fashioned sense.

Chapter 1: Genomics and Stem Cell Explanation
Chapter 2: The Recreation of an Animal
Chapter 3: The Genetic Altering of a Creature
Chapter 4: The Possibilities



(I am going to make this long, so enjoy).


Chapter 1: Genomics and Stem Cell Explanation

As I am one who is against being formal when explaining things, please anyone who knows the actual terms of which I speak, keep quiet. I am putting this information in Laymen terms, and will not be racking my brain on finding the scientific names of each definition.

When Stem Cell research originally started, it was the study of the Embryo's of aborted fetus'. They were taken from clinics, and used to research the language of life. Scientists, and Stem Cell enthusiasts who had followed DNA and the Double Helix to a 'T' had been excited to have the opportunity to study the language of life.

Any form of bacteria works much like that of a computer's processor. Your DNA is read, and from what it reads, it outputs the information to your body. Say you get a cut, your DNA tells your body that the cut must then bleed. If you need oxygen, your DNA tells you to intake oxygen. If you must let out tears, your DNA tells you that you need to do so. The information is sent from the area, through the brain, the brain processes the information according to the data it holds, and sends signals back.

Thus telling you to breathe, to live, to die, to cry, to fall, to whatever, your brain does what the body tells it to. Stem Cell Research is the study of the code which your brain processes. Which many enthusiasts like to call "The Programming Language of Life".

When George W. Bush Jr. came into presidency in the United States, he forbade Stem Cell Research to be done on GOVERNMENT funding. He did not disallow the research to be done, but no lab would recieve any money to do such. It is also illegal to harm anything or anyone in any form to study them. Thus the scientists were not allowed to kill an animal, or use an animal to study the language.

While this happened, other countries flourished. The United States was left behind, as other countries began researching and studying Stem Cells even more! It is not illegal to do Stem Cell research, or study, just incredibly hard to be able to. The equipment is very expensive, and the labor is even more expensive.


Chapter 2: The Recreation of an Animal

I believe it occured in Sweden, a scientist went inside the uterus of a chicken, and genetically altered the Chicken's life's program, it's DNA, to make it grow another leg. People were appauled by his actions, and he was immediately taunted and maimed throughout the world. The thing is, the Chicken was born with an extra wing, and was completely normal.

Scientists emphasize the point of Stem Cell Research. They don't want to destroy the world, or over populate it. Their idea is to simply fix that which we have let go. Granted, some of their intentions may not be biblically allowed, but more often than not, their ideas are very noble.

Using DNA, they can recreate anything in the world. The problem being time and money. A typical bacteria is made up of thousands of strands of DNA, the typical human is made up of billions. To process all of that code would take several decades of research and study. Which is why Scientists only study certain strands of DNA. Such as that of Cancer, or of a chicken's wing.

They of course have their sights set much higher, but right now the recreation of animal would be a feat in itself. The ability to do such requires intensive work and brain power. To process an entire genetic code like a brain is very time consuming. Your brain processes your code in 9 months during your period in the womb. Your code tells you how to grow, how to evolve, and how to change. All of this is processed by your mother and yourself.

So you can just imagine how hard it would be to actually KNOW how the development works, and make it happen. A mother doesn't know how the baby develops, or how it works, she just processes the code, and develops the baby. More than that, she is unaware of the immense work her brain is doing.


Chapter 3: The Genetic Altering of a Creature

As I said in the prior chapter, a Sweden scientist altered a chicken to grow an additional wing. This was done using the genetic string of DNA from the mother, and was altered to add an additional wing. All the Scientist had to do was locate the part of the code that said "Grow a wing here" and copy it to another part of the DNA. A chicken was then genetically created inside of the womb of the mother chicken.

This may seem simple, as copying code can be. But actually finding the code which says "Do this here" is very hard. Stem Cell Research helps scientists plot out the entire genetic code of a particular bacteria. This means that if they were to plot out your genetic code, and alter it, then artificially impregnate a female with your full genetic code, then she would give birth to you as you were when they copied you. She would go through the normal birthing cycles and such, however, she would not contribute any of her DNA to the process. Her code would not be able to migrate into your system (Unless she had a cold or an illness that you never had, which could genetically alter the child's code).


Chapter 4: The Possibilities

Stem Cell Research has been around since the 60's when the Double Helix was first discovered. They knew what the human code looked like, so they began studying it. Back then, they didn't have the technology, and Stem Cell Research really didn't kick off until the late 90's. Being such, it is still a young concept, and very immature.

Scientists and Enthusiasts believe that with some time, and some funding, they can kick it off with a bang, however, and get a lot done. Every illness you have is documented in your genetic code, and every possible further illness is as well. EVERYTHING you are is EVERYTHING you are supposed to be. However, outside influence can alter your genetic code, and change your system. This is because you can process other codes as well, which your brain will read as normal, but then your system will be flagged when there's no spot for it.

Let's say you get Cancer, and there was no strands in your system that said you would ever have Cancer. What could have happened, is the Cancer overpowered another part of your code, and implanted itself like viruses do. Your brain will then process this code, and the output will be whatever the code tells it to do. (Such as hair loss, paralysis, or even death).

Since this can happen, however, the opposite can also happen. Scientists can genetically alter your code, so as to remove cancer, to remove asthma, or to remove a stint in growing. With enough time, they can remove the aging chromosone in your body, and make you stay young forever. This of course is not their immediate purpose. Scientists are focussing on cures for diseases, creation of objects to better life, or the recreation of endangered/extinct animals.

The reason religious zealots are against Stem Cell Research is because it is essentially playing God in their eyes. It is the creation of something without having an original act of nature. They see this as a threat, and if Stem Cell Research gets big enough, they know that they could even possibly recreate memory. Doing such will destroy the world of Religion as we know it. Imagine the finding of "Jesus Christ's" bones and actually reproducing his memory.

Like I said, however, this is not their intention, just a fear of a couple of idiots in power. Stem Cell Research is the best route for man. It will end world hunger, it will end poverty, it will end war, it will end all of mans problems. Which means the government will, of course, not fund it.




There you have it. The genetic recreation of a clone is neither destructive nor helpful. It is just the recreation of you. Their brain would process information the same as you do, their body would change the same as yours, you would even think alike. If they figure out the memory strand, then they can also make it know everything you know.

Their is a problem with that, however, being that thinking of creating a clone, would be reproduced in the clones thoughts. Therefore they would. Thus creating an infinum cycle of an artist painting an artist painting an artist painting an artist painting an artist... etc.


You would not be able to control such a clone, as the clone would be your equal, and both of you would know everything about the other. Therefore neither would do it .


Essentially, that should not be your focus on cloning. The recreation of yourself is not a good/bad idea. It shouldn't even be an idea. The recreation of petroleum, or of food is the idea here.

Scientists say that with funding they can have a cure for aids in 2 months, and a cure for cancer in 3 years. Why does the government not help? Religious zealots, and the loss of money. Think about all the unneccessary doctors.


Hope that answered your question!





(And they have not, ever, created a clone. They have used strands to create certain aspects, but not a full clone. Artificial insemination is, however, the way they would do so.)

 

Damn that was a lot Deacon. The way i see it is human cloning can be used for good. By cloning they can recreate healthy cells for people. The risk someone takes for a bone marrow transplant is high because the donor cells can not function in the other persons body. Having cloned clean cells the bone marrow transplant would be successful because the person having the transplant will accept its cells it already has. Also as we are more knowledgeable scientist will then know how to recreate cloned healthy organs for transplants. So it is not exactly cloning another human to look like you but to save peoples lives as creating new lives.

And Deacon why am i not in your <3 list?

 

^^^You still have to consider the fact that the person has to give consent, and also you cant make people/clones just for slaves to save peoples life, its pretty much the same but different if that makes any sence at all



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