[APPROVED/REVIEW] Change to Name Sales

I'm not trying to stop snipes from occuring Z. Those are gonna happen no matter what we do. What I'm trying to avoid is people like Bonesack and Khai pulling off those two scenarios repeatedly with the same names over and over, and noobs just keep losing money. I don't know how else to go about it, other than make traders like yourself transfer the name for your buyer.

 

Everyone see's through the babbling and its as exactly as @Zero and @Divine stated. as far as taking responsibility or use the service, which you supply.

as far as my personal names, those were sniped off-site. Even though I know who sniped my names, I cant prove a thing, but that's a risk I took when transferring names. Personally I would use a service if it meant that big of a deal to me, but I cherish the market for letting me make the decisions myself on what I deem is valuable enough to insure/cover costs.

As far as comprehending what you are saying, I've reread it several times and I have a good understanding that you want to secure the market more so there is less mistakes by enforcing people to basically self insure themselves in case of multiple possible incidents. that's fine. But I disagree, as stated, with the topics above.

As far as forum related issues of constant spam/free post count, monopolized section, and lack of attention... it really needs some rework (which we are working towards, thanks to @Shin ). I do admit there are flaws, but not vital enough to warrant such a request.

 

Basically word for word what I said earlier in discord. This is basically an attempt by @Milotic to

1. drive more customers to him
2. force people into using his name transferring services
3. force out the competition by forcing other sellers to cover huge names when they get """""""""sniped"""""""""

Absolutely voting no

 

Somebody else that hasn't read that I'm not really in the market anymore :s

 

from yesterday. Glad to know you're not really in the market anymore!



How about these?

 

Wasn't my name, sold it for Alice. Obviously the second screenshot is a joke, those aren't my names lol

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh this is kinda off topic, and I'd prefer we stuck to the reason for posting which is removing the ability of sythe users to scam using name sales

 

Whether you sell for yourself or your bf its not the issue. Either way you're still in the market. Hardly anyone posts altruistic suggestions Milotic, least of all you. Stop playing this game, everyone can see rite through u

 

See through what babbling? It's been mentioned a couple times now that Milotic (and myself) are not nearly as active with the market anymore, nor are we actively offering transfers. Mention of "transfer services" is used in general, that people can have the choice of either doing it themselves, or outsource the responsibility to someone that's willing to accept it (this can be anyone).

I fail to see how the market is necessarily monopolized, anyone is able to post a thread to buy/sell a name, and they're free to sell whatever name they want regardless of whether or not it's necessarily deemed as "rare" (which is apparent by the surplus of shit that gets posted daily, but anyone is welcome to sell whatever they want...). I agree though that there is a lack of attention, but that seems to be largely because there's not many mods that like dealing with the section.

1. Neither of us are really that active anymore with names.
2. Like point 1, not really offering transfers.
3. Just repeating myself at this point.

Altruistic? Since when do suggestions need to be altruistic. At the very least, you mean utilitarian. Still attacking the individual rather than the suggestion, though.

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Overall, I think the main point of the original post has been missed. The suggestion is to force users with a name shop to take responsibility for transferring the names they sell in order to protect the newcomers that join, want to buy a name, have no idea what they're doing, and end up leaving at a loss and no new name to show for it.

This is a big issue with individuals like Khai, Bonesack, Cryax etc. that would scam naive newcomers. This suggestion helps more of the "one time buyers" that just want to come for a successful name trade and move on. I can understand the frustration for people that have name shops that wouldn't want the extra pressure by being responsible for their transfers, but why completely brush off something that would help newcomers from getting scammed? If you run a name shop, you already have more experience than a random that might not even know that sniping is a possibility.

Try not to get so hooked up on the "outsourcing" transfers portion of it, and try to look at the suggestion for what it's attempting to achieve - a safer market for the noobies that previously have been scammed by the tactics mentioned in Milotic's original post (by some fairly well known sellers until they finally got banned).

If you're going to be active in the name market (that is, have a shop rather than just being the one time buyer / newcomer), it's in your best interest to learn proper trading practices and to look out for your customers.

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I do think it's important, though, to address constructive criticism. On the mention of this affecting a "free market":

Anyone is still able to open up a name shop, and sell whatever names they want, even if they're shit. This isn't going to prevent anybody from being able to sell their names, it just gives those that run a name shop a responsibility - to protect their customers and make sure that they get what they paid for. How they do that is up to them, whether they want to transfer the name themselves with responsibility, or outsource it to someone that will (AGAIN, NOT ME OR MILOTIC - ANYONE).

If you're selling GP, you have the responsibility to deliver the gold to your customer after they pay for it. If you're selling a name, you have the responsibility to deliver the name. If you get banned for RWT before you pay them, you still have to pay up (or refund them). Same if the name gets sniped before it's delivered to your customer.

 

To save us continuing to have a long ass list of "names not to buy due to snipes" I think this is a great idea.
Maybe those more established in the business i.e @Alice @Milotic could provide transfer services for a % to those of us who wouldnt feel confident doing this for a customer.
We could sell names and offer *GUARANTEED TRANSFER SERVICE* for an extra fee (going to the servicer we pick) And leave this option to the buyer to choose whether or not he wants. (Like insurance) Name snipes do occur and will continue to always occur, but I think working on minimising this is our best option.

In terms of users that abuse their customers to sell the names over & over again I think maybe if established sellers AREN'T at least giving customers this option then they should be made to.
Cheers Milo for the great idea

 

I think you've maybe misunderstood it a little. Neither Alice or I wish to continue doing this, and in place of us slaving xfers for 20m all day, I'm suggesting that people with name shops do this themselves. It'll stop scams, such as the two scenarios I originally provided from happening and overall lead to less shit going on in the market.

 

I did misunderstand & in this case then maybe an insight from your service into the best ways to transfer a name effectively minimising snipe. Somewhat of a guide to be used by all sellers.
To keep it from those who intend to snipe you could release it to those who ask for it or sell it for a price so that only those serious about their businesses would use it.

Idk I'm trying to think of a way to streamline this, without making you put in too much effort, & obviously without giving away trade screts to the people we are trying to stop.

 

Honestly got my support, the seller should take responsibility? If you train someones pure and get 2 def, ur you're at fault. If the thing someone mentioned about buying something from amazon and it never comes, you get a refund or a new item. It honestly makes sense for sellers to be responsible in the name market too. And this prevents people from doing shady sht like what you mentioned in the scenarios

 

Got my support

 

No support, unrealistic.

 

All name sales should just be selling level 3 account with the name, and then you do whatever and whenever you feel like with it.

 

Why? That’s the problem.

 

No idea why woud NAmeseller69 agree on buying name *HottieAlice* =?

 

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This isn't a guarantee to prevent a scam, more so a precaution in which you're essentially making a seller / buyer take full responsibility of a snipe (if it occurs), otherwise go to someone such as yourself (if I twisted anything from what you said I apologize, and you're free to correct me, however I believe that's what you're saying). I understand the points with how people think this is a suggestion to benefit you, however I won't go into that as it'll come off the wrong way, and you know I have nothing against you I'm just speaking on behalf of the suggestion.

Why not just use your wisdom on name sales to update the sticky's below (or relay yours, and other knowledgable name sellers / buyers knowledge to someone on the staff team, so that he / she can help make an informative thread in regards to this issue)?
- How to transfer a RARE name
- [Important] Name Sales Rules + Tips + Transferring + More [Master Post]

Side note: I know I'm not really knowledgeable when it comes to name sales, so feel free to correct me if I'm off on anything.

 

You're right, it's not a guarantee to prevent a scam. However, it is a guarantee to prevent a scam that cannot be proved. Currently, there's nothing stopping me from buying a name from @Zero or @Nate, them making me take responsibility for moving the name and they try to take it back when I move it. That'd be scamming, right? No way I could prove it should I lose the name. (Not saying either of those two would ever do that, but just an example!)

Nobody established is going to scam if they know they'll get caught, but with flaws in the rules as they are now, it's easy to scam and get away with. I think it's abhorrent how many users have gotten away with this for long periods of time with little to no issues. Thanks to @Alice and @Void (and others!!!), we've gotten rid of a few the serial scammers though.

Yes one of us could go and post a great in depth guide, covering all aspects of transferring names. I've been asked countless times to tell people what to do, and every time I refuse. Not for my own profit or benefit, the issue though is that this would be made public/leaked. It would be rife for abuse, and for reasons I can't really get into, not a good idea. The current guide is more than sufficient, provided the user isn't being scammed/set up and have half a brain cell.

I feel like this isn't really being taken seriously, because of who I am and my role in the market. If anybody who hasn't transferred names for people in the past had posted this, I think many of you would be saying something much different.