Official Sythe GPT

Sythe GPT
GPT = Get Paid To
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Reason for suggestion?

Around 6 months ago, I started a website with the intention of helping users donate to Sythe.org without having to actually have any money pass through their hands. They would complete offers, and would then receive points for doing these offers which they could use to redeem prizes, or donate even more to the website. Long-story short, i took it down.

Today, in the IRC, I proposed to Sythe that he run an official 'Get Paid To' survey system that users could navigate to and complete offers. He would be paid directly from the company that sponsors the advertisements, and users would be able to redeem donation ranks, and anything else he chose to offer. He was most certainly, and reasonably, skeptical about the idea. However, I believe that a solid proposal and business plan will show that adding an official Sythe GPT to Sythe.org would be beneficial to both the website and its users.

However, given the discussion I have had with Sythe I feel ill-equipped to present this to its fullest potential. I'll do my best, however, and thorough debate on this is welcome. Maybe I'll learn something .


So, what exactly is a GPT?

A GPT is a way for users to Get Paid To do something. In this case, it would be filling out surveys, downloading and trying out games, installing toolbars, etc. Sythe is paid from the advertising company, and you are given whatever prize Sythe offers (besides direct cash). Basically, you perform a task that is below minimum wage, and can receive services or products for a certain number of tasks completed.


What does that mean?

Let's say this happens. Sythe adds an official GPT to the site. Users can visit it, perform the tasks, receive "points" or whatever, and these could be used to redeem prizes. Per this suggestion, the prize would be donations. Given that many users wish to donate for the rank, or simply to help out Sythe.org, this would be an easy way to contribute a small amount. With the number of users, that small amount could easily be a respectable sum.


Couldn't I just perform another task to make the money, and in turn donate it to Sythe?

Yes, of course. However, a majority of Sythe's users cannot do this because of their age, inabilities, etc. Most of them play RuneScape, bot RuneScape, or sell accounts. This would yield the user a higher return value, if the intent is to donate, than selling an account or GP and donating through your earned income. I would say a majority of Sythe.org users fall under this category.


Most GPT sites are scams, what would make this any different?

That's an incorrect statement. A lot of the GPT networks out there present offers from less reputable companies, and the return is very low. I am proposing a company that offers a decent return for the work put in, and has a rather large publisher base. GPT sites, however, are not scams themselves. The advertiser may not be exactly reputable, but that does not make the GPT site a scam.

Another thing to note that if Sythe were to offer the ability to donate via GPT, he could offer a <100% reward for the amounts earned. Let's say an advertiser pays $1.50 for each lead that downloads Frogger. Sythe awards $.50 to the user that downloads Frogger. 10 users download Frogger. Sythe nets $10, and no one yet has a rank. This may seem cheap, but the value is roughly equal. I'm not going to go into valuing his offers and the users' time, but $.50 for a download that takes less than a minute is equal to ~$26 an hour. For Sythe, this would equate to $1000 an hour.

However, offers change weekly, and only a few are presented at a time. A user would be required to visit a minimum of 2 weeks to do new offers before they would have enough to receive a rank, depending entirely on how Sythe wishes to divide up the reward payout.


What is the potential for this?

Given that there are over 222,000 members, lets say that just 100 of those decide to use this system. 10 of which continuously use it just to continue donating, 85 of which stop at $5, and 5 of which with goals to get a custom rank/UI. The 85 alone would generate $425. Foreseeing such a high interest may seem ridiculous, but that's what we're here to find out.

I believe if the value of donator status was known, then more users would donate. Not only this, but you would have dedicated users who continuously use the system, and those who want to get an even better rank. If a user spends just 1 hour accumulated a week on Sythe doing this, they could easily reach $300 donator status in 30 weeks. That seems ridiculously low, but the question to ask is if the value of the time you spend on Sythe is worth it?

If anything, it would take you roughly 2 hours accumulated to get a $5 rank.


To what end?

Those of you who have been around a while would love to see the quality of Sythe improve. New advertising venues, more members, new features and such, etc. It's not a bad site currently, but donations will most definitely help. This would tap into the market of those people who cannot currently donate, and give them that opportunity (Myself included). My time is worth a lot, and even I would use this.

I can vouch saying that many people I know would use it as well if it showed repeated success. Leechers would almost always use it just because it's a great way to start. The potential is deafening!


What are the arguments against it?

One argument is that "they are all scams and do not payout". I can provide a reputable company that would most definitely payout. I have proof that they credited me after just 1 day of being up with less than 10 users, I made like $6 and didn't have to pay anyone anything. Curt, who showed me their site, will as well vouch for this company as they are very professional and provide quality advertisements to geo-targeted locations. If Sythe only offered donations, all he would have to do is wait for a check before users were credited ranks.

Another argument is that "it would bring down the value of the site". I believe that putting it on its own page, and merely having a link below/in the donations center would make it seem less obtuse. Given that it is completely optional, and can be made to be self-sustaining, after setup it would be almost instantly operable.

"Users wouldn't use it". That's a big argument, and I can only state that they would. Especially if other rewards were offered, such as RuneScape Memberships/WoW Memberships. This would be a little more work to coordinate, but given Sythe's user base, something that is officially ran would be greatly used, especially if payout was proven.


What's left?

A long read, I'm surprised you made it this far . Numbers/images/etc can be provided, but I genuinely would rather see the interest in something like this before too much time was invested into providing exact details. So show your support, dislike, comments, etc .

 

Detailed, and very well thought out suggestion; but I just think it will cause devalue, in how we see the donor ranks in time. If everyone had a $25 dollar rank, what would be the point in donating my money to receive such a rank; considering theres already no difference in benefits, from the $5.00 rank, either than the rank itself. I'd support if you suggested a cap, where they could only reach the $5.00 rank from using the GPT method.

 

Sounds like a good idea. I think it could benefit the site quite a bit. Support.

 

I hate to say it...but I don't really think it'd work out. It is a good suggestion and you've explained it very clearly but I just don't it's worth the trouble needed to set it up. Also these sorts of things frustrate a lot of people and some can get ripped off by them. (Such as putting your phone number into a survey and getting charged for the texts.)

 

Brendan, you're argument is wrong due to the sheer number of times he starts "reputable". A reputable one wouldn't do that to you.

I support, and I for one would use it. I do worry about the ranks becoming worthless though...

 

I would support this if there would be a special GPT rank, preventing the current donation ranks from becoming worthless.

 

These websites with offers and surverys always end up asking for a credit card or your cell phone number... no bad idea...

 

^this for one.

The cellphone/CC issue as second. I've been trying these surveys for a while now, and they're only for USA/Canada and UK. Other than that, they always try to get your personal info, which is not something I'd like to be affiliated with.

I'd be supporting if people were smart enough to not give their cellphone number, their CC number or personal details for this, but I highly doubt those that are smart enough to not give real info will be filling in surveys in the first place.

 

I think it could work if it were just a section of the site. If users didn't want to be a part of it they could just not go there. It would just be for those who want to get a rank but can't spend the money on it.

 

I don't think rank's are realistic, considering it already takes Matthew 4-5 days to give donor's their ranks; imagine Matthew having to give ranks out to 30-50 new people, every few days.

 

I already spoke to you about this before and gave you my full support.

If Sythe can run it as an Official GPT, then perhaps you won't have to change that domain name you created. Hehe.

Good luck.

 

I think it's really unrealistic to expect that many people would follow through with doing all of the available surveys every day.

Also, the example you give is downloading Frogger. I suspect that nearly anything you have to download for this (toolbars etc) are filled with ad/spyware. What sort of information to these surveys make users supply? Are you sure that they don't then sell the information? Are the offers things that most users would actually be able to complete? For instance, when I've seen these things in the past some of the offers would be for something like signing up for a credit card, which the majority of users can't do.

Even if we assume that many users would do this and it would generate a decent amount of revenue, I'd be concerned for the safety of the information that people enter into these surveys. The security of our users should be a higher priority than some extra donations.

Also I'm still trying to figure out exactly what the hell you mean by this:

 

As someone who has created a GPT site from scratch, this is a terrible idea.

GPT sites take an immense amount of moderation, far more than your average site. It is SO easy for people to get an automatic proxy switcher and repeatedly fill in ~$5 offers, you get your CPALead account banned in no time.

Even then, payments are near impossible to make without a massive delay, and an automatic system is very risky and would still take a massive amount of effort to create.

Then comes the complaints... It is a flawed system. It is very glitchy and often doesn't count when someone completes an offer. This causes emails to be spammed, and a huge amount of work on behalf of the people moderating the site.

There are loads of GPT sites at the moment, Sythe would be better off creating an account on a reputable one and then popping a referral banner as an advertisement. Still making money, still getting the attention of Sythe users and would require no moderation or effort on behalf of the staff.


EDIT:

Ohai Deacon Long time no speak.

A good example of the CPALead ban is what happened to Curt on TBN. People were spam filling in the same offers, and his CPALead was eventually banned... Leaving him with a few thousand dollars owed to those people.

 

No support, if you really want it, do these offers by yourself and donate the money.

 

As snappie said, a seperate rank for donating from earnings from the GPT would be better. Otherwise so many people would have the donor ranks and it would be pointless having them.

Otherwise, this would be great. Especially with Account Upgrades as a reward.

I would use it. Support

 

I support this.
I like the idea from what i have red so far.

 

I would definitely use this for donating, however I'd rather have separate donor ranks for people who donated through GPT.

So, instead of $5+ DONATOR, maybe GPT $5+ DONATOR.

 

I'd like to suggest this, maybe GPT donations could only reach a cap of $15 max; with no ranks, the only benefits would be larger avatars for the $5.00 GPT donor's, and for the $15.00 GPT donor's, could be access to the donor lounge. Only because one this would be an unfair disadvantage for all of those who already donated $25.00+ without this option, two the ranks would be to hard to handout.

 

I'm all for a Sythe GPT personally, it'd bring in new members who want to earn money online. It's worked for a few other forums as well. If a GPT was implemented into Sythe it would bring in money allowing the site to further push the experience of Sythe through the roof.

 

Hi HD, believe it or not, I got suspended because somebody decided to rat me to CPAlead telling them my users have been providing shit leads. I talked to CPAlead and made improvements on my site, and still have my account active, and funds processed. I made $9600+ in a month if you can tell in my sig, and I got paid that much. Having this GPT as just a donation on Sythe wouldn't hurt at all, and could easily be integrated on the forum to show the amount the users have individually contributed using the CPA service. It can all be kept automatic and earnings will be shown under the user's posts or userbar.

Still I don't know why Deacon chooses to propose this, I'd usually keep this info to myself. But if you want more quick and easy income, implementing this would take no more than 30 minutes.