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It was said by Richard that future, serious reports could have restitution brought in when it wasn't a straight-forward "scamming" case. I do think there should be an amount paid to Dragondyce because damage was caused, however, what that figure should be I'm not 100% sure.
I'll speak with FireZ at the earliest opportunity to see what he thinks and we'll come together on a number.
P.s. nobody should be supporting/no supporting until debts and so on are definitely sorted out one way or another.
What proof do you need exactly, considering iZinc ADMITTED to it?
Consider this situation: Let's say I DDoSed Sythe.org, causing Richard to have to pay for server upgrades. This also results in down-time, which Richard has to refund advertisers for, and causing long term damage in terms of lost revenue to loss in customer confidence, etc. Do you think that that wouldn't cost the site & community a huge amount of money, or cause unnecessary labor and expenses for Richard & Matthew? Would you allow me to pardon without paying my victims if I profited an incredible amount from attacking Sythe.org and costing Sythe.org a roughly equal amount? I would be told to fuck right off if I even attempted to post a pardon.
iZinc already admitted that he does agree that he owes us compensation. Roary agreed, and FireZ didn't have any objections last week. I assume that the issue here is that it is difficult to decide on an exact amount in damages, because there is no exact way to determine how much money Dragon Dyce lost as a result of iZinc's prolific blackhat and SE attacks, or how much he gained from them. I understand that Sythe staff probably don't want to look at numbers to figure that out, but it doesn't take a genius to realize that that number is easily in the tens of thousands of dollars, by even conservative estimations, considering the volume that both Dragon Dyce and BigBoiBets do in bets. That being said, any amount less than that doesn't really have a reason to be contested by anyone.
There's no way iZinc could ever undo the damage he's done. Instead of trying to argue for tens of thousands of dollars in compensation, I've only told iZinc to pay for our new project as restitution for destroying our last one. This is the easiest compromise that can be made with iZinc, and really the only acceptable one considering the circumstances. I won't budge from my stance, considering how generous I'm already being, and iZinc even had the privilege of getting unbanned, and rebanned&pardoning to see that he had at least 3 staff supports before even repaying his victims.
No one, iZinc or staff, has listed a single reason why the amount I've presented is inappropriate. If anyone would like to respond to that with a good reason why he shouldn't pay AT LEAST as much as the startup cost of our new project since he went through considerable effort to attack our last one for profit, I would really like to hear it. Until then, I am not moving from the amount I listed before because I have no reason to believe that I should based on the evidence. iZinc can contact me via Skype, TS, IRC, etc whenever he wants to make amends and pay the fraction of the amount he profited from our losses. Until he does that, he isn't even eligible for a pardon.
It's been 1 week+ and no word from iZinc concerning restitution. Can someone archive this until he refunds his victims?
Editing this in here:
Earlier, FireZ said that this wasn't valid, but there was never a reason listed as to WHY this particular SE attack against us isn't valid, in addition to the already existing DDoS attacks. If he had contacted vB and tried to revoke Sythe's vB license, would you feel the same way?
I decided to drop the bogus politeness from this and rewrite it to leave honest feedback.
The fact that certain pardons are even remotely considered is a joke.
People's previous status on Sythe/RS/etc. or financial position should not have any effect on their pardon's outcome. They should be treated no better than the lying, scamming, blackhatting blemishes on humanity that they are. This applies to past pardons, like JohnG's - so it's not a direct personal attack at anyone - but it's obviously relevant again in the case of iZinc/BigBoiBets.
It boggles my mind that he's actually got supports on his pardon. I personally question the integrity of every single moderator who is willing to put their name down on behalf of someone so slimy and underhanded in the face of his blatant abuse of the rules of Sythe.org. If you're going to throw the law of the land you're supposed to be upholding out the window, at least try to pretend you're not doing so. Have some discretion, maybe. I'm disgusted with all of you.
I have also posted in the pardon section to have it merged onto my current pardon 1-2 weeks ago, and that still hasn't been merged yet per my request.
To My Knowledge
• FireZ has confirmed Xeir0's dispute was settled at $0.
• Since this confirmation no new evidence has been brought forward in more than a comfortable amount of time for the opposition.
• I have already received 3 supports.
What I am Concerned About
- After a week of having no conflicts with no dispute, no Sythe mod or Admin has made any effort publicly to expedite my pardon; even after me enquiring about having a public post on there to inform the mods that it is open.
- I also strongly feel that this isn’t being taken seriously at all, based on on the extremely generous amount of lenience given to those opposed to me. Examples as follows:
1. This guy was proven wrong from me responding to what he claimed with evidence
2. Since then no new evidence has been brought forward.
Since I posted valid evidence defending myself, his future report contains no new evidence and is being taken seriously.
Edit: I have been unable to find anything wrong with the given txt that he posted. However, I can recognize the fact I have never played omaha, nor known how to play omaha. Given this I can tell for sure that Some/Most/All parts of the text are possibly faked or replaced with another person...
I will be upgrading my Gyazo to "Ninja" to allow me to access old Gyazo links, I believe there are screenshots with Date/time of me playing poker and winning hands that i've had that will contradict his "logs" and prove that he replaced the names inside the logs. This post will be updated If/When I get access to this information, in the meantime please leave this appeal open.
Hey Ryan, thanks for the add-on, the more Izinc pets the merrier!
As for this concern, He has two major flaws in his theory... 1st of all, upon just trying this literally 2 minutes ago, The second you login to the 2nd screen you INSTANTLY get a error and it disconnects you on the first screen. This means it's not possible, along with that, if he's claiming I had the chips, that would totally contradict the "logs" provided by Izinc, At this point once i'm off work in about 6 hours i'll be posting any Gyazo screenshots I have saved that should contradict the "logs" Izinc has offered. Whilst this may not prove 100% that I had the chips... It would prove Izinc lied and attempted to tamper with the evidence, meaning he would likely be guilty given the other evidence presented. Will update this post soon. Thanks for patience.
5. The main person who has a notorious scamming history, has recently scammed me, has attempted to scam even more money from me and is making it his duty in to try to keep me banned from Sythe - that one person, is the person that he is colluding with
1. This guy was proven wrong from me responding to what he claimed with evidence
2. Since then no new evidence has been brought forward.
Since I posted valid evidence defending myself, and in result settling the case at $0 confirmed by an admin. His future report contains no new evidence and is being taken seriously.
but it doesn't take a genius to realize that that number is easily in the tens of thousands of dollars, by even conservative estimations, considering the volume that both Dragon Dyce and BigBoiBets do in bets. That being said, any amount less than that doesn't really have a reason to be contested by anyone.
There's no way iZinc could ever undo the damage he's done. Instead of trying to argue for tens of thousands of dollars in compensation, I've only told iZinc to pay for our new project as restitution for destroying our last one. This is the easiest compromise that can be made with iZinc, and really the only acceptable one considering the circumstances. I won't budge from my stance, considering how generous I'm already being, and iZinc even had the privilege of getting unbanned, and rebanned&pardoning to see that he had at least 3 staff supports before even repaying his victims.
No one, iZinc or staff, has listed a single reason why the amount I've presented is inappropriate. If anyone would like to respond to that with a good reason why he shouldn't pay AT LEAST as much as the startup cost of our new project since he went through considerable effort to attack our last one for profit, I would really like to hear it. Until then, I am not moving from the amount I listed before because I have no reason to believe that I should based on the evidence. iZinc can contact me via Skype, TS, IRC, etc whenever he wants to make amends and pay the fraction of the amount he profited from our losses. Until he does that, he isn't even eligible for a pardon.
3. Bizarre accusations based on no or false evidence, only in attempt to drag my name through the dirt:
He is attempting to make me look bad my using false evidence, claiming that I’m “not showing remorse” based on a screenshot over 10 months ago, the screenshot isn’t something now and relevant after I’ve posted a pardon and after I’m supposed to be showing remorse. No, the screenshot he chose is one from 10 months ago (note he didn’t inform you it was from 10 months ago) at the time when in my first post I admitted I was unexperienced then, and from then since now I have become a lot more experienced which alters certain approaches I take on situations. More or less, he is attempting to push this screenshot into the equation of whether or not I should receive supports, so he doesn’t care about him getting compensation - because if I was banned he wouldn’t get compensation. He is trying to keep me banned, and he is evasively presenting me falsely in order to do so.
If you are 100% aware that any form of blackhat is counter-productive to business, then why did you do it against us, and MMO poker, and allegedly others?
Technically, iZinc isn't even allowed to attempt a pardon, but as a sign of good faith, I mentioned before that I wouldn't protest against previous supports counting.
iZinc has made no effort to repay me whatsoever since our last talk about paying a restitution before he is able to pardon for the sadistic and crippling damages he committed through blackhat means against myself&partners and our business&other businesses over a period of multiple months.
4. He has been given the power of controlling how much time this takes, he is stalling the Sythe staff informing them that he will gather evidence:
I’d like to quote what Xeir0 said on TeamSpeak to me after I wanted to resolve this issue straight away with me asking him for the evidence so I could pay him compensation based on the evidence he can provide, but what he told me is that I have to wait 2 days and he said, quote: “the power is in my hands, everything is dependant on me” - you can ask Xeir0 to confirm this himself.
Ah ok, I had a feeling you were still waiting. Let this pan out then, if he wants an opinion from someone above me that's his decision and he's allowed to request that.
Yeah I'm back now, I also spoke to Xier0 about this and I honestly see no way to put a value on this situation.
I really only would see the cost of the server upgrade being an issue but Xier0 himself said that it would have inevitably been upgraded so even that isn't something that came as a result of the BBB DDoSes
I only put this on hold because Xier0 wanted another staff member (above me so an admin) to give their input on the amount owed
5. The main person who has a notorious scamming history, has recently scammed me, has attempted to scam even more money from me and is making it his duty in to try to keep me banned from Sythe - that one person, is the person that he is colluding with
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CONCLUSION
- Both cases have been defended against with valid evidence, the truth can’t lose.
- Both cases have no further valid evidence to viably be used against me, as everything that has been presented I have defended myself against.
- Both cases have maliciously made wild sweeping statements and/or falsely presented evidence to inaccurately represent me, in attempt to con the mods into weighing it into the conclusion of whether or not I should be pardoned or not, essentially scamming tricking/scamming the staff to make an unjustified decision in banning me, and at no point has anyone in either of these cases admitted wrong doing, in fact they have intentionally and repetitively done so.
- Both cases have been given vast generosity in terms of lenience, and how they control how much time everything takes.
- Joopii, Xeir0 and Jiffy all have net common goals.
1. Attempt in any way possible to keep me banned on Sythe
2. Try to scam money in the process by all means possible
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Now, I may be the worst person in the world because you want to think that, but - if Xeiro doesn't mind - “it doesn’t take a genius to realise that iZinC might actually be the one telling the truth”.
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I've been offered a pardon, so I'd like to be treated the same as all other Sythe members and have my pardon processed now.
7JecQ5a8cewk have been refunded yet.
So far, I've missed over $15,000 worth of profits that the 30% equity should have earned me since the scam happened.
5. The main person who has a notorious scamming history, has recently scammed me, has attempted to scam even more money from me and is making it his duty in to try to keep me banned from Sythe - that one person, is the person that he is colluding with http://i.gyazo.com/9f490ed8f76a01c670ed051e2991f9fc.png
This is a ridiculous claim, straigth up lie once again.
As far as I know, iZinC had a flaw on his website, which caused multiple bettors to lose their money. Since admitting this would mean that he would have to refund the bettors, he instead edited the .txt files from the poker server logs.
I'm not "colluding" with Jiffy, I'm simply trying to help one of the victims that I lured to iZinCs website. It was a week ago when I spoke to Jiffy for the first time, after he made the report of iZinC. http://gyazo.com/b056ae9fd7cd9a20af938f07fd6c28b3
Pardon denied until you clean up your mess with ALL victims. Jiffy, xeri0 joppoli etc.
I set compensation at $0 and never got to look at it after xeros rebuttal. I would suggest you send him some $
I'd suggest you right your wrongs and get level with those 3 at a minimum if you ever want to post another pardon request again. If you really want a pardon you are going to have to show it. Your remorse here is sub-par at best.
Make it right or Bigboibets is on its way to the sites censor as well.
