Believing out of FEAR

You didn't answer the question.

That is like someone finding a dead mouse and someone being like, oh that dead mouse came from something with whiskers that meows. And someone else being like, oh, where did that something with whiskers that meows come from? And them being like.. oh, it's called a cat, there are a lot of them.

Where did you say where it came from? You said what it was and that there are a lot of them.

 

Primarily red giants that eject masses of gas and supernovae when they blow up. I am not a science hotline.

 

You are the one who came here with the theory, than say, your not a science hotline? Ok...

What I am saying is, is where did it start.. Where did the red dwarfs come from, where did the super novas come from? What about before that? And Before that? And before that? You go back far enough and eventually the answer is, I don't know.

 

So your real question was 'where did the Universe come from?' No, I don't know. The big bang explains the origins of our surroundings, but where did the mass that initiated the big bang come from? Before you say this is a rational reason to turn to God, where did God come from?

PS: I didn't throw a theory in your face, you asked a question and I gave you an explanation, my point was that you could have used Google to find out how gas clouds form.

 

I know, I wasn't so much asking for an answer on where they came from, but for where everything originated. I agree with you completely when you turn the table and say, where did god come from. Like I said a few posts back, all I was trying to say is that either option has it's set of doubts and unknown points and each option has an amount of belief needed to feel that it is true, I am not trying to use this to say that not knowing scientifically where everything comes from proves God to be true, I am just saying it proves that either case has it's possible doubts.

 

So because science can't explain where the Universe came from, everything it teaches as fact is invalidated and can be disregarded by theists, regardless of the amount of evidence?

 

No. What I am saying is because Science can't explain where the universe came from, it is practical for other options to be possible, whilst still being practical that Science itself is correct.

 

That's an understandable stance, and I obviously support your right to have faith (though not mindlessly believe) in a theory which cannot be countered by others. However, organized religion, what the original post addressed, (and I know we're now miles away from the topic of fear-faith) contradicts evidence - as soon as you start believing in heaven and hell and ten commandments and shari'ah, you have crossed the line of reason in my eyes.

 

I think we are both understanding each other now, nice discussion. I agree that blind faith is silly. My faith isn't blind and is by choice after looking at many religions and scientific reasoning. Can I say that I feel it is the option that is best supported by known evidence? No. It truly isn't. But it is the option that I feel the strongest about because of personal experiences.

 

We perhaps have an understanding, depending on whether or not you think evolution is bullshit and the moon is made of cheese. Might I respectfully request information on these personal experiences, or are they too personal?

 

I'll talk in PM.

Edit: And no, I don't think evolution is bull shit, but I feel it is far fetched from the complete scientific explanation. I don't think I came from a one celled organism over time, but I do believe smaller things do adapt. I honestly can't think of an example right now because I just can't concentrate, it was one of Darwin's theories, I can't think of the name. But pretty much like the survival of the fittest type thing. Adaption happens over a long process when the animals who are best fit survive more frequently than the animals that aren't as fit, eventually making the characteristics of the animal that does fit more and more dominate eventually making the other animals characteristics extinct, thusly changing the animal to an extent. Sorry if I didn't explain it good.

And yes, the moon is made of cheese.