Assassin Sniping/Buying Sniped Names

Scammer's profile link: Assassin

Explanation of the trade: This will be a long one, and one that I really wish I didn't have to write. Assassin has always been there to help me since I started in the name business, and has MM'd quite a few sales for me in the past. However, I strongly believe that when he thinks he can get away with something (ie sniping a name) because it's so hard to prove, that he attempts to. Assassin has his own discord market, and it is notorious for scammers, snipers, and people trying to move stolen names.

As of last night, Assassin "purchased" two RSN's. One of these was a name I personally sold a little over a month ago, and Assassin MM'd. The buyer chose to transfer the name himself, and it was sniped. At the time I didn't think anything of it, unfortunately a lot of people know my name list and that RSN would be one I'd expect people who snipe to pay attention to. Assassin added it to the "names to avoid" section of his market discord, and everyone moved on. He claimed to not have even known what the name was that I was selling at the time, but he also asked me if I wanted him to advertise my names when anyone came to him looking to buy, so that was untrue, he knew my entire list, and my prices. So when I had him MM a 1bil 07 name sale, it was very obvious which name it was.

The second name he "bought" from the same person was sniped during a sale several months back. He MM'd that sale as well, and admitted knowing what the name was to me before it sold. Afterwards he was quick to throw other people under the bus who he "suspected" of being serial snipers (none of which he ever banned from his discord though).

When he messaged me last night regarding the name that pertained to me, it was sitting unchanged and logged on at the duel arena. He said the same person that stole one of his names months ago, used to do that to him, to taunt him. Then an HOUR later, a person joined his discord, went directly to him, and sold him both of these names. He claims that this person "purchased the names from someone in his pure cc", so he wasn't the sniper, so it's ok that he bought them. Despite having been a part of both of the sales when the sniping occurred, and having both of them listed on his "names to avoid" section of his discord (now that he owns them he has deleted them from that section, even though they are no less sniped than they originally were).

Obviously it upset me to learn that his morals are so low that he'd be so quick to buy stolen names, when any other time he would seek approval to anti-scam them (especially considering he was the MM for both of them). He didn't come to me to tell me he bought the name that was stolen from me, instead I had to confront him on why the name was removed from the names to avoid section. Same goes for the other name, he only told the person who lost it that he bought it AFTER they confronted him on it.

I talked to him about this situation at length, as you'll see in the screenshots, and somehow he jumped to the conclusion that I was calling HIM the sniper. I never did, but it's an odd conclusion to jump to. And the more I think about it, the more it is most likely the case. He is even offering to be the white knight, and SELL these names back to the people who lost them. AT COST. Very noble, unless of course the cost for him was zero. Or unless he just realizes that he's is in the wrong here by associating himself with them in the first place, and wants to get rid of them to avoid him getting another ban.

I highly doubt anything will come of this, the rules on buying/selling sniped names are very unclear, and he knows that. He repeats it more than a few times in our conversation. However it is NOT the right thing to do. Everyone knows its a grey area, and I feel like he is and has been using this tactic out of pure greed. And I feel like people should know about it.


Discord ID + Unique Discord ID: Assassin#8788, 269386182138396672

Other relevant trade screenshots:



the screenshot HE sent me of the name showing it was UNCHANGED, still on the original account that has sniped it.



an unprompted hint at @alanvong12 being the sniper. and more of him reassuring me that the person who he purchased them from couldn't have POSSIBLY been the original sniper.



Wow, that's a lot of chatting to have occurred in the span of 2 MINUTES at 2 in the morning. But don't worry, he makes sure to check his facts.



Another @alanvong12 mention, one he's constantly thrown under the bus in the past when any names were stolen.



Yet another "maybe I did buy it from the sniper, maybe I didn't" remark.







And finally he comes to the conclusion that I'm accusing him of sniping them.

Anyways, that's all I've got regarding this. It is against the rules to involve yourself with stolen goods on sythe, and I strongly feel that Assassin has done so knowingly. Or, this could have all been a set up, and he could have had these names all along, and is using this "bought them from a friend of the sniper" loophole so that he can sell them again without getting in trouble for it. Either way, I just needed to get that out there. You helped me when I was starting out Assassin, but back then I never interfered with the business that you ran. I don't think you want to get banned, so you'd never outright scam someone, but I think when the chances of you being caught are so slim, that you take the risk out of greed, and it's sad.

I'm not going to go back and forth bantering with you in the comments of this post, so if you have anything to say, say it to the mods.

I apologize if I didn't follow the correct format with this one, was a bit more unique than I'm used to posting.

 

The names had been transferred over when I bought them. I couldn't antiscam as it was a different person and there's no proof it was the same person. Since they names were transferred over, I knew it would be okay as it wasn't the same account it was sniped off of and there's no way to prove I actually did buy it from the sniper.

The Discord I bought the name from was "Kings#0231"
Cloud is making a baseless claim. I have decided to remove the names off the names to avoid list in my Discord because I realized there's no way to prove the same person who sniped the name. I talked to Pendulum about this and he confirmed it, and that it has always been a problem and that's why Sythe doesn't have a name avoid list thread.

If a Mod wants proof they can PM me on Discord 'Assassin#8788" thank you.

 

Please infract this dude, I am nothing like that scum and I take offense to anyone calling me him. I didn't antiscam himbecause there's no proof of it being the same person if both names were moved. Smh

 

I wasn't accusing Alan I just noticed it changed to kingalanX which was weird. I have even AGREED to sell the names back for what I got them for, this is a similar event to when I bought Australia, though there I didn't know it was scammed, it isn't much different here in which case these names were owned by someone else. Name Sales has always been like this and Cloud is newer so I guess I understand his angry rant? Milotic got banned because he legit sniped a name and put it on his account. Again would like a mod to PM me to see the conversation I had with the seller please thank you.

 

Also Cloud, I knew some of your list, I had no idea you had bought RSN Piety, as you didn't always update me which was fine. yes I have helped you loads so it hurts me feelings you think this but whatever. If I were filled with "Pure Greed" I wouldn't give a fuck to return the names for the price I bought them for man. The screenshot I sent you was from before they got moved off the accounts. If I had actually sniped them WHY TF would I send you that screenshot smh. That screenshot is your only base of proof(half ass proof). I had them added so I can see if there was any activity. Maybe it wasn't the best idea to buy, but seeing they were moved I went for it and I shouldn't be accused of anything for this.

 

You sent me the screenshot of the name unmoved, then an hour later it was “moved”, then moved AGAIN to you? How does that make it right to purchase them?

I could snipe a name and move it around between a few accounts, for the cost of a few bonds, then sell it. Would that make it ok to buy? No. It’s still sniped.

Why not completely get rid of your names to avoid section? Because those names might all pass from sniper to unknowing buyer, then right back to the market. OR the sniper could just pretend he was the buyer and skip that step.

I completely understand how name sniping is an almost impossible thing to prove, which is why so many people get away with it. But buying it knowing it was stolen is almost just as bad man, anyone with morals knows that.

 

Yes purchasing them wasn’t the best idea as they were sniped previously I jumped at it quickly because Athena and I are friends and she really wanted it back and was offering 800m, but I won’t overcharge because I’m not a dick even tho I could easily. I have no bad intention but to give them back to the owners even though I am 100% not required to. Athena has been asking a lot about the name and she was a huge fan of it and really wanted it back. I know the feeling too when I lost Wilderness and Inferno. But I shouldn’t be punished for it.

The name avoid section we will keep but remove a name if it’s moved accounts as there’s no way to prove it’s the same person without concrete evidence. Me and other admins deleted names that had been moved since we have been tracking all of them, and leaving the ones owned by scammers like Ricky that don’t ever move.

Yes a sniper can pretend but there’s no way to actually know that for sure but there’s the option of them actually selling them to innocent people which has happened countless times as you recall. Do we go and ban every single person who bought a name that was sniped or stolen? Remember RSN English or RSN Profit that another big name seller was Mming? I can mention at least 5 people+ who have but I get the report of course.

Both trades I did MM and both were done on a release collect basis. From what I gathered from the sellers/buyers, the names were handled horribly with at least 10 seconds of a name of that caliber 1b+ being free. We all know there are countless bots that exist that can grab way faster than that. I had no idea about Piety, cloud mentioned he bought the name for 300m that he was selling at the time of the trade for 1b, 300m that’s it and he has a large list. QT Slab bought from me/bolt so I knew he had it, but I wasn’t 100% aware it was that name being traded.

Overall, I want to help anyone get stolen names back. I ended up returning Australia to a guy that had it since 2001, I paid 300m and when he didn’t have the funds Chad reimbursed him fully to pay me back for the name. I could of sold it for 2b but I did the right thing. I always do my best to get names back for people

 

I’ll add more to this when I’m back at a comp.

 

Alright, couple more points.

First of all, you claimed you didn't even know I had Piety in the first place. well actually YOU originally sold it to the person I bought it from @melding . Furthermore, you MM'd that trade when he sold it to me (on a lv3).

The trade was for the mule account it was on, and probably luckily for me that I didn't take your advice to "move it later ofc". Instead I left it on the account, where it wouldn't be susceptible to a snipe.


Second point in your story, is saying that Athena reallllly wanted the name back.

This is true, Athena lost A LOT of money when she purchased the name without snipe insurance and it was taken. What is weird to me, and her, is that you didn't go to her right away saying you bought the name back. Instead, she had to ask me why the name QT was removed from the names to avoid section, and in turn I asked you. I informed her that you indeed had purchased the name back, and SHE messaged YOU about it.

Furthermore, she said that she had noticed the name was removed from the names-to-avoid section PRIOR to you "purchasing" it last night. How could that be? You only removed it from there because you "couldn't be certain that the sniper didn't sell it to someone legit" right? But this "purchase" took place last night? Strange.



Weird how you're so quick to explain how you acquired it. You state Athena was willing to pay 800m so she could finally have that name, so that gives you a pretty good reason to have sniped it in the first place, or bought it knowingly from said sniper to sell it to her.



So again, if you knew she had lost a lot of money trying to buy this name, and was offering 800m for it,and you guys are really good friends, why wasn't she the first person you told after "acquiring" the name last night? Why did she have to ask you about it? Same goes for me. you never came to me to tell me you bought Piety, I had to ask you why it was removed from the names-to-avoid section. I didn't lose anything from this name, it was sniped as I was selling it and the buyer took snipe responsibility. But don't you think I deserve to know you bought it of all people, after you MM'd both of these sales, and both names were lost to a sniper?

Now you are playing the "I'll sell it back to them for what I paid for it" card because a) you got caught, or b) you sniped them in the first place and you didn't actually pay anything.

 

I am not playing any sell back game man. I did the same with Australia and I am not changing who I am now under no circumstances. I never tried to get 800m out of Athena and you now this. I also removed it from the avoid list just when I got it so i can return it in the morning, I wasn't trying to sell to anyone else

You mentioned the name but unlike what you think I don't go around writing who has what name. I absolutely had no idea Piety was being traded at all in that moment, from what i knew he was just taking the account like YOU stated and that there would be no transfer. Also you call me sketchy but you don't transfer names for your clients, you give them an acc for them to transfer themselves. Gives you perfect opportunity to snipe and take advantage of the fact most people don't know how to transfer names smooth. If I refused to move any name that would be sketchy but I LEGIT NEVER say no.

You can't justify me not PMing Athena instantly that that wasn't my intention as it was 3am and I had class the next day when I woke up obviously then I responded, you can't go making these claims based off this man.

Now what you failed to provide me was proof I actually purchased the name from a sniper or as your claiming, sniping a name, so i'll wait till the mods respond. There is nothing here and I am just trying to do the right thing, sucks you jumped so far to make a report and block me but alright if that's how it has to be.

 

This could of happened if Sythe (Richard) himself MM'd the trade man as long as he wasn't transferring the name and taking responsibility.

Name sellers buy names for cheap and flip them. It's normal. Cloud is one so he knows, Some people sell them cheaper than others. Sometimes I never sell a name sometimes I do and you loose out on names too. Nothing about the 300m was strange, I have had people looking for a quick buck that give me other deals for even lower. I also never take video because proof is in the discord chat.

 

You cannot knowingly buy stolen names, reason being the potential for collusion with the snipers. You will need to repay the victims the money they lost on the names or simply return the names

I've added a DNT for the time being

 

I will return the names which was my intention anyway even if I loose out on some GP I can make back easily. I need the Discord of the guy who lost Piety and will return the name to Athena, issue is she’s not on Sythe so can we confirm on discord

 

Each of the names have been returned to their original owners. There is insufficient evidence @Assassin was responsible for the snipes. I've removed his DNT, this has been resolved.