Are you against Islam?

[strong ilan]

Some people see ISIS as a representation of Islam but that is like saying that Hitler and the KKK are a representation of Christianity. Its not right but people dont see it like that. Lots of people blame the whole of Islam for terrorist attacks when its only a group of people who use the religion in their own way.

 

[Laptop65]

I'm not necessarily against religion but there are some parts of Islam I just don't agree with. It seems to be based upon the male over the female (gender equality much?) and it just in general seems to be based on dominance.

I've also noticed we have these Muslim schools in my country which are funded by the same government that funds the state schools. If public schools are meant for everyone, why is the government funding schools that only meant for Muslims? Why can't we have Christian, Hindu and Jewish schools only schools also with that logic?

What I also don't like is people coming over from other countries (mainly the middle east) and going "hey, that's offensive to us! You must change your laws / views so it comes in line with our views too!". Seriously, if you don't like it here just fuck off and go home. They are complaining about how we should be putting laws in place so it is more like an Islamic country... sorry no but the fair majority at most of the western world is Christian / not really religious.

Some of my best friends are Muslim and they are very good and respectful people, but I still don't understand things like "women should be wearing a scarf, but men don't have to wear anything over their faces". Wtf? Why?

 

[Strongjaf]

I personally have nothing against any religion, i have multiple friends who are muslims and I'm about 99,8% sure none of them would ever be involved to any terrorism. I try to treat every person equal, muslim or not.

 

[Flustered]

I am not again Islam. I wouldn't be against any religion due to each religion having its bad apples that tarnish its reputation of the good members. In my own religion, I see people on the news discriminating and acting in violence against others, and it makes me ashamed.

 

[Demented Radio]

I'm not for Islam, but I'm not against Islam. Same as any religion, they all have there ups and downs. Growing up in a family who has nothing but hate for Muslims I feel I have handled my attitude to respecting everyone equally pretty well.

 

[c00l84]

Islam will be always a peaceful religion, ISIS are not considered muslim. There will be people not agreeing to that.

 

[TheSoulsplitSeller]

How can you blame all Muslims for terrorism when it is only a select few. My best friend practices Islam. Growing up he faced lots of criticism and hatred. A few days after Bin Laden was killed we were over at a buddys house of mine and his grandma was over. She asked my Muslim friend if "he and his people" were upset if Bin Laden was killed.
Their are "Christian" terrorists as well as "Muslim" terrorists.

 

[KingNeo]

of course im not against islam. honestly. i dont even know what you mean by this.
do you mean if i hate them?
do you mean if i i hate what actions they commit
do i hate the religion and not the people?

since i dont know what you mean ill answer all three

i dont hate them. i hate them as much as i hate other people there is nothing about islamic people that makes me fill with hate

some of the peoples in the religions actions are horrid. but so are Christians. (inquisitions crusades... just to name a few) so yes im against there actions but it has nothing to do with hating there faith

and i think religion is the core of the problems in the world. so yes i dont like islamic religion or any religion for that matter

 

[Spyder69]

that is like saying that Hitler and the KKK are a representation of Christianity.

The difference is Christian religious doctrine (the Bible) doesn't call for the murder of other peoples, doctrine is separate from biblical war stories, something of which there is no distinction between the two in Islamic text.

 

[KingNeo]

The difference is Christian religious doctrine (the Bible) doesn't call for the murder of other peoples, doctrine is separate from biblical war stories, something of which there is no distinction between the two in Islamic text.

not true.
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 states:

When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets

Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.


Yahweh spoke to Gad, David's seer, saying, Go and speak to David, saying, Thus says Yahweh, I offer you three things: choose you one of them, that I may do it to you. So Gad came to David, and said to him, Thus says Yahweh, Take which you will: either three years of famine; or three months to be consumed before your foes, while the sword of your enemies overtakes you; or else three days the sword of Yahweh, even pestilence in the land, and the angel of Yahweh destroying throughout all the borders of Israel. Now therefore consider what answer I shall return to him who sent me. David said to Gad, I am in a great strait: let me fall, I pray, into the hand of Yahweh; for very great are his mercies: and let me not fall into the hand of man. So Yahweh sent a pestilence on Israel; and there fell of Israel seventy thousand men. (1 Chronicles 21:9-14 WEB)

and slavery

Slaves are to be under the control of their masters in all respects, giving them satisfaction, not talking back to them or stealing from them, but exhibiting completely good faith, so as to adorn the doctrine of God our savior in every way. (Titus 2:9-10 NAB)

so my comment here is. there is plenty of horrid things said in the bible

 

[ilovegold69]

The difference is Christian religious doctrine (the Bible) doesn't call for the murder of other peoples, doctrine is separate from biblical war stories, something of which there is no distinction between the two in Islamic text.

I agree the bible would never say to murder anyone.

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

 

[Spyder69]

Old Testament/misinterpretation

Common misinterpretation, not to mention you're citing the Old Testament which holds no bearing on modern Christianity. In the gospel the same thing is said (by Jesus) about cutting off your hand or plucking out your eye, yet it's not to be taken literally, and was never practiced.

Sorry, but there's no correlation between Islamic Sharia Law and the misinterpretations of the OT. (as you've just demonstrated)

I agree the bible would never say to murder anyone.

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

I always love this one when it's 90% Leviticus. The law applied to Israel and Israel alone, not to mention it was temporary.

Galatians 3:13
Romans 10:4

Old Mosaic law has no bearing any longer.

 

[KingNeo]

Common misinterpretation, not to mention you're citing the Old Testament which holds no bearing on modern Christianity. In the gospel the same thing is said (by Jesus) about cutting off your hand or plucking out your eye, yet it's not to be taken literally, and was never practiced.

Sorry, but there's no correlation between Islamic Sharia Law and the misinterpretations of the OT. (as you've just demonstrated)



I always love this one when it's 90% Leviticus. The law applied to Israel and Israel alone, not to mention it was temporary.

Galatians 3:13
Romans 10:4

Old Mosaic law has no bearing any longer.

so its okay for a holy book to say "this one country and this country alone kill eachother"

also. ive quoted your bible now please quote where in the koran does it say to murder the innocent.

also again. the old testiment. is apart of the bible true or false?

the bible is the word of god true or false?

modern Christianity reads and learns from the bible true or false?

 

[Spyder69]

so its okay for a holy book to say "this one country and this country alone kill eachother"

also. ive quoted your bible now please quote where in the koran does it say to murder the innocent.

also again. the old testiment. is apart of the bible true or false?

the bible is the word of god true or false?

modern Christianity reads and learns from the bible true or false?

Sorry what? You're 100% failing to even understand the dynamic of how biblical text works. You're attempting to paint this picture of Hebrew scripture/Mosaic law as if it is in any way, shape or form similar to Islamic law which does not only apply to followers of Islam.

http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/052-sbt.php search "Jews" please.

Did I claim the OT isn't part of the bible? To Christians it is God's word, NOWHERE in the New Testament does it parallel with the OT Mosaic law that was ONLY APPLICABLE to Israel. No one is under the old Mosaic law. Did you even look up the verses I listed? You're beginning to post out of ignorance.

E: Also, i'd like to address a very simple dynamic to this, if you're going to obviously use the bible to attempt to tarnish it, are you prepared to debate from the viewpoint that "God created man" and as the creation the exceptions of moral responsibility correspond with their God's right to apply punishment to His people/creation for falling into depravity? You realize the introduction of the Mosaic law is because of God's people's disobedience right? Unlike Islamic law which was never stated to be temporary (unlike Mosaic law).

Galatians

13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us

Romans

For Christ is the end of the law

Before I start quoting the absolutely asinine number of passages in Islamic holy text that calls for the oppression of peoples/women and the murder of "infidels." Do me a favor and justify Sharia Law just for starters.

 

[ilovegold69]

Sorry what? You're 100% failing to even understand the dynamic of how biblical text works. You're attempting to paint this picture of Hebrew scripture/Mosaic law as if it is in any way, shape or form similar to Islamic law which does not only apply to followers of Islam.

http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/052-sbt.php search "Jews" please.

Did I claim the OT isn't part of the bible? To Christians it is God's word, NOWHERE in the New Testament does it parallel with the OT Mosaic law that was ONLY APPLICABLE to Israel. No one is under the old Mosaic law. Did you even look up the verses I listed? You're beginning to post out of ignorance.

E: Also, i'd like to address a very simple dynamic to this, if you're going to obviously use the bible to attempt to tarnish it, are you prepared to debate from the viewpoint that "God created man" and as the creation the exceptions of moral responsibility correspond with their God's right to apply punishment to His people/creation for falling into depravity? You realize the introduction of the Mosaic law is because of God's people's disobedience right? Unlike Islamic law which was never stated to be temporary (unlike Mosaic law).

Galatians


Romans



Before I start quoting the absolutely asinine number of passages in Islamic holy text that calls for the oppression of peoples/women and the murder of "infidels." Do me a favor and justify Sharia Law just for starters.

Are you trying to tell me that god was fallible and just fucked up the first part of his book? And then just wrote 2 passages about how his son had to break the news to everyone? It's just a bunch of excuses and "reinterpretations" and It's tiring to talk about. It seems pointless to argue the complex meanings of when and where god said to kill people when in the same trilogy the earth is a few thousand years old and the first humans got fucked over by a talking snake (cliche points sue me).

I interpret infidel killing as a metaphor for fly swatting and you can't tell me any different.

 

[Spyder69]

Are you trying to tell me that god was fallible and just fucked up the first part of his book? And then just wrote 2 passages about how his son had to break the news to everyone? It's just a bunch of excuses and "reinterpretations" and It's tiring to talk about. It seems pointless to argue the complex meanings of when and where god said to kill people when in the same trilogy the earth is a few thousand years old and the first humans got fucked over by a talking snake (cliche points sue me).

I interpret infidel killing as a metaphor for fly swatting and you can't tell me any different.

Sorry, but where did I claim that? The law was introduced because of man's DEPRAVITY, what part of that do you not understand? It was also already said in the OT that a new covenant would become established, doing away with the old laws. How is that the equivalent to "err well err your god fucked up!"

Also, there are indeed times in the bible where their God changed His mind. A good example is when Abraham pleaded with God that he must find 10 righteous men instead of 50 should Sodom be destroyed.

As for your extremely vague statement "hurr hurr god said go kill people," you should read the book "war in the hebrew bible a study in the ethics of violence" http://wordandworld.luthersem.edu/content/pdfs/15-4_Nations/15-4_Niditch.pdf - the number of dynamics in biblical warfare is more complex than I think you're even beginning to willingly look into.

And your last somewhat reply-worthy statement, kind of failing to remember where in the bible it says that the earth is only a few thousand years old when Judaism alone we can only trace it back with physical evidence a couple thousand years. I take it you're one of those people who Google "evil bible massacres" hoping to find every little "loophole" he can find to support his own argument.

Unfortunately for you, you're attempting to draw a conclusion that isn't there. The New Testament doesn't support what you want to pretend the bible supports, the closest you can get is biblical warfare. There are no parallels between Islamic DOCTRINE and biblical DOCTRINE.

Lastly, I asked for Sharia law to be justified as well as to search that page for "Jews." Thank you.

 

[KingNeo]

Sorry, but where did I claim that? The law was introduced because of man's DEPRAVITY, what part of that do you not understand? It was also already said in the OT that a new covenant would become established, doing away with the old laws. How is that the equivalent to "err well err your god fucked up!"

Also, there are indeed times in the bible where their God changed His mind. A good example is when Abraham pleaded with God that he must find 10 righteous men instead of 50 should Sodom be destroyed.

As for your extremely vague statement "hurr hurr god said go kill people," you should read the book "war in the hebrew bible a study in the ethics of violence" http://wordandworld.luthersem.edu/content/pdfs/15-4_Nations/15-4_Niditch.pdf - the number of dynamics in biblical warfare is more complex than I think you're even beginning to willingly look into.

And your last somewhat reply-worthy statement, kind of failing to remember where in the bible it says that the earth is only a few thousand years old when Judaism alone we can only trace it back with physical evidence a couple thousand years. I take it you're one of those people who Google "evil bible massacres" hoping to find every little "loophole" he can find to support his own argument.

Unfortunately for you, you're attempting to draw a conclusion that isn't there. The New Testament doesn't support what you want to pretend the bible supports, the closest you can get is biblical warfare. There are no parallels between Islamic DOCTRINE and biblical DOCTRINE.

Lastly, I asked for Sharia law to be justified as well as to search that page for "Jews." Thank you.

this is getting off the subject ill be glad to deabte you further with this on a new thread

 

[Life]

I dislike radical islam as I do with any radical religion. When it comes to killing other people for your religion, I do not condone it at all. Islam is a religion of peace and I'm fine with those who practice the religion peacefully.