[DENIED] Posting Personal Info Rule Revamp

This current centers around the fact that the user Gun has posted personal info of Sythe members in the discord at least 5 times, and which he is currently banned for again. The rule about this is as follows.

• Disclosure of Others' Personal Information: Posting information such as private emails/MSNs, private Skype accounts, Facebook accounts, addresses, phone numbers, private photos, etc. of someone other than yourself without explicit consent of that person will result in up to a 1 month ban regardless of whether or not the information is publicly available. If a picture was posted by its owner on Discord or Sythe, this rule doesn't apply.

This rule specifies that the punishment is the same for the first, second, and third time, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, and 8th.

However this other rule on posting staff personal information is different in that regard.

Disclosure of Personal Information of a Staff Member or Acquaintance of a Staff Member: This includes, but is not limited to, full names, private emails, Skype/Facebook, addresses, phone numbers, private photos, etc.

• There will be a 6 month Spam Forum ban on top of this.
• A second offence from the same user will result in a permanent ban.
• This rule does not apply to information/photos that the staff have posted publicly on Sythe about themselves (or reposting of the same provided the original thread still exists).
• For the sake of clarity, an acquaintance of a staff member is a family member or close friend who is only associated with Sythe through a staff member, if at all.

Few things.

1. I'm not sure why personal information of staff members is regarded more highly than personal information of regular members - seems they should be the same to me.
2. Why is there a ban for posting personal information about staff members multiple times, but not for normal Sythe users?

I suggest making these two rules into one. Making the punishment the same, and making repeated offenses ban-able, as well as banning Gun for posting personal info 5+ times in discord.

 

I support this. People like Gun r too inbred and have completely lost his ability to learn from his mistakes.

Repetitive doxing should warrant a discord ban (it is in discord Gun dox people) the other day he defaced and doxed @Bogdan but hes too nice to even give a shit about it.

If temp bans no longer applies to discord then WTF is the point of banning him in the first place?!??!!?

 

I disagree that the punishment should be the same. It seems to be a slap on the wrist for the individual when all they do is continue to browse sythe as a guest and comment etc.

 

This rule is an ancient one that is severely outdated, I have asked for YEARS(4 years) for this rule to be removed.

Its foolish to think that your information is not easily obtainable, sold by companies and 100 other things by people every single day. Someone posting this information that you can get online for free or less than a dollar to the right people is not something that is "illegal". You can find nearly any information on the PLANET about someone in less than 20 minutes with the right resources, to act ignorant of the fact information is so freely available now is what makes the rule so outdated.

This rule was a dinosaur when I joined, now its so outdated with the modern world as to be laughable.

I'm going to no support this just because I would happily see the entire rule abolished completely. People know I don't care about my personal information being shared because I live in reality, the reality is your pictures, documents, browsing habits, data and more are all bought and sold and shared every single day, this rule is just pure ignorance of the digital age.

The oldest dating I could find in the archives of this rule being used are like 2007(or some form of this rule) its over a DECADE old. Its ANCIENT. It was made back in a time when people were on 2 gb computers playing low graphic games, let alone worrying about their browsing data being shared or other issue. Back then it might of been justified to need this rule, now adays its just plain stupid.

 

Scamming is an old rule, we should get rid of that one too... not exactly a solid argument you have there

 

Scamming vs sharing information that is already freely available or extremely cheap are far cry's from one another.

In the real world your free to share whatever personal information you want about someone as long as you don't go to the point of harassment, defamation, etc.

In the real world you go to prison for scamming.

On Sythe.org your not even free to share as much as a social media picture which all of us can access, maybe not even someone's NAME (I've seen people banned for saying someone's first name by mistake!).

On Sythe.org your banned perm for scamming.

The two do not relate, however the inference from the real world to Sythe is laughable regarding personal information, you want to talk about censorship, let me know somewhere in the real world your not allowed to say someones name or risk being imprisoned, that's essentially what sythe does, a temporary jail sentence, whether its a simple picture or a name or anything.

Its a joke, the rules a dinosaur and should of been removed 5 years ago, its 2018 not 2007.

Like I'm sorry to people who feel harassed or abused if someone shares their pictures, their nudes, whatever with intent to harm, but most of these bans people aren't posting pictures or saying someones name with intent to harm, I mean its downright stupid everytime I see a personal information ban, Yes I get it! Some people don't want their shit shared, well guess what? ITS THE FUCKING INTERNET. Do what you've been told since age 4 and "DONT POST THINGS ON THE INTERNET U DONT WANT SHARED".

It drives me mad everytime a ban is issued for personal information sharing. I was PERSONALLY banned for a month for posting an address I found ON A COMPANY WEBSITE THAT THE PERSON OWNED THAT WAS EVEN DISPLAYED IN THE SSL CERTIFICATE, ASWELL AS ON GOOGLE. I got banned for literally saying something in discord that he literally makes public everytime someone even visits his business site.

I'm 100% certain that this rule has only survived this long because it lets staff get rid of the most annoying pests of Sythe 80% of the time their banned is for personal information leaking.

I honestly hope with some newer blood @Champ @Pendulum @King @Charlotte etc we can finally remove this ancient out of date rule because it honestly needs to be on its way out, if someone excessive is posting your pictures or HARRASSING YOU, then guess what? Fucking report them for harassment or defamation or some other rule Sythe has, the information itself shouldn't be illegal to share, its the INTENT behind sharing the information that should be punishable. If the intent to share your information is to cause damage to your business(example) than report them for the damages and establish evidence of the damages.

This rule is the by-product of a VERY lazy staff team over a decade ago who just threw the entirety of information sharing under the rules as a bannable offence.

 

My point is that by saying it’s an old rule and thus needs to be removed is not a logical argument.

As for your other point, Sythe has established that you have a reasonable right to privacy here. While I’m certainly aware it’s easy to obtain someone’s information, Sythe members are entitled to their privacy and having their information remain private, so long as their not banned for scamming. In addition, there really is no way for someone to post another’s information in a way that’s not harassment. Correct me if I’m wrong, but if you post my information, you’ll only be banned if I object and did not give you permission to do such. This means I find your action offensive if I report you.

 

If I share a picture of you from Facebook in the discord, are you assuming that I intended to do it to damage you in some form?

That's what I meant by a lazy staff team 10 years ago, instead of making the rule more specific they left it vague enough to encompass LITERALLY all information about someone.

If I posted a picture of you in the discord and didn't have ur permission and said something like "Wow you look amazing" you could get me banned for posting that picture despite the fact I complimented you and had no poor intentions of posting that picture.

That's just ONE example, there's THOUSANDS.

I have a fundamental problem when a rule is so vague you could be banned for posting a picture of someone and complimenting them, which is why this rule should be removed or at the very least HEAVILY modified to more reflect punishment for those who have POOR INTENT for sharing that information as determined by staff, not for the information itself.

I am okay punishing someone who is attempting to do damages to someone by harmfully posting say, a negative banner saying someone scams and their real life phone number (cough) I am not okay using the rule as a literal way to just get rid of the pests in discord every other week.

Its the intent I care about that you use the information for or were trying to use it for, I don't think the information itself should just be the judging factor of was this public or not. If I post a picture of say, @Charlotte and say wow you look amazing, I should not have to fear for my sythe account that she might ban me for sharing a picture she had on facebook! If I shared her FB picture and said "Look at this whore" than yes I should face punishment because that's slander and that's illegal!

 

Why are you compelled to post my picture? If I wanted to share it, I would, in which case you’d be allowed to share it again as many times as you’d like. It boils down to the fact that it’s my picture, and if you’re going to use it, you need my consent. This is why there are laws either being written or have recently passed regarding information online due to the recent Facebook incident. This is why they have to tell you that they share your information and need your approval for them to do so.

It’s your information, so you ultimately have the right to say yes or no. If you really need to compliment someone, do so in private. There is no instance where you NEED to share a picture or someone’s information.

 

support as I just don’t like Gun lmao + staff writing rules that make them feel more important is also unacceptable.

 

Support, I might have touched on this in my response to change sythe rules thread. Shouldnt be unlimited

 

Stop typing walls of text and listen to what @Dunworry is trying to tell you, seriously man theres a reason that no one agrees with you... ever.

Intent has nothing to do with this rule, nor should it. Courts have been determining that people own their own information, including pictures - regardless even if 0 companies have that information or 10,000. You are in control of what people do with your pictures and personal info - YES EVEN IF IT IS POSTED ON FACEBOOK OR SNAP CHAT. If you want to release it for anyone to use, you can do so - which has been defined as posting it yourself in the discord. They cannot do that without your consent, again that has nothing to do with the intent of use.

You also seem to be confusing this rule with some rule against slander or libel. Thats not what this rule is and please stop turning this thread into a discussion for it.

tl:dr. @Divine you are a brain dead can you just stop?

 

Support although I feel the level of strictness applied to the doxing a staff member rule should just apply across the board to any situation of doxing.

People who dox usually do it to feel powerful and often desire an audience. The best way to deal with these people is take all power away from them by exiling them from the community completely for longer periods of time.

To people like @Gun who as far as I know is nothing more than a staker and not really a market user of any significant status, doxing people is fun, he gets a good kick out of it, maybe even creates a "meme" out of it. Then he gets a 1 month ban, he thinks it's hilarious, then he comes back and does the same thing again.

The best thing to do with people like him is ban for longer periods of time, so when he comes back after 6 months, only his handful of staker bumbuddies know who he is. it's already seeming that way for a lot of these old spam forum "memelords" anyway. They have had their time here and their audience has moved on. Why should we give them a slap on the wrist everytime and then laugh and joke about how funny it was when they doxed such and such a mod, or timmy from down the street?

A 6 month spam forum ban should also apply to discord if it does not already.

 

Support, I don't think there should be a difference based on who you do it to. If you leak someone's personal info I think it should be taken seriously as it can cause a lot of harm if someone wanted to take things that far.

Even if its done as a joke, its really poor taste.

 

I believe it depends on how its posted. If its posted in a derogatory way then of course it should be punishable by a ban or something of that nature but its its for the LOL's and the actual person does not care then id say let it go.

 

Anyone who thinks it is perfectly acceptable to share people's personal information without their consent is more than free to post their address on here and on places like 4chan so they can spammed with pizza deliveries / swatted under extreme circumstances. People have died as a result of being doxed so this really is not minor topic at all.

Not to mention you have literally zero idea who is on the other end on the Internet at times. Who's to say someone wouldn't travel across the country (or the world) to come and harm you (your loved ones) or even murder you?

Regardless I'm pretty sure this rule is already being discussed in the staff lounge already (although why it is taking as long as it is I have no idea).

 

I've already been swatted, sent dozens of pizzas and many other things you don't want to know about.

Its the digital age, man up you pussys. Your information is sold and shared every single day. Ignorance or acting like it isn't is not an excuse.

 

That doesn't mean the selling of that information is legal.

 

Are you still going to retain the same attitude until the old bill or some nutter comes in and kills one of your loved ones?

"Oh who cares if someone close to me has been killed, man up folks!"

And if you're going to ramble on about defending yourself / your family - this should not be necessary and not every country in the world will let you possess a gun (less even so for self defence). In the UK your best option for defence a baseball bat.