An actually useful vouch suggestion.

[thanatos920]

The vouch system we currently have set up for profiles is good, but flawed, people can say whatever the hell they want in there and there's no way to prove/disprove it without a lot of work. My suggestion takes it one step further to a system which (yes will take a lot of work to set up.) will make vouches actually useful and fully viewable.

Keeping them in the profile was brilliant I 100% support it, but we need to expand on it. My idea is as such.

- DO NOT allow users to freely edit their vouches section, they should NOT be allowed to manually manipulate it.

- Integrate into the forums another button similar to the report a post button labeled "Add to Vouch" or something similar. When pressed this button will add the User name of the poster of that post to YOUR vouch profile along with a link to the post(vouch) itself. This will allow users to freely browse vouches on someones profile and check the vouches individually if necessary.

- Vouches CANNOT be copied from people who have not been on sythe for AT LEAST 3-6 months. IE someone can post a vouch on your thread but if their account inst over 3-6 months old YOU CANNOT add it to your profile. I don't care how many times people can make a new account on a new computer, or how many leechers vouch for you. We need members who have at least been kicking around a bit otherwise the vouch is worthless and shouldn't be allowed.

That is simply part one. Part two is SEVERE rules against those who abuse or fake vouches.

-Copying a post which DOES NOT actually contain a vouch from regular members should be an infraction or temporary ban.

-Copying posts which does not actually contain a vouch from Staff, Middlemen, or highly trusted members should be an automatic Tempban + trade with caution symbol OR perm ban.(obviously "accidents" will happen. So we can't just perm ban everyone. But something severe needs to happen.)

-Vouches given to you WHEN YOU WENT FIRST should not count and adding one to your profile should count as an infraction. (Ie VOUCH bought a level 108 off me, he went first and gave me 10M. THIS IS NOT a vouch it shows no trust in the person only that they went first for something they wanted.)

-Anyone caught breaking ANY of the above three rules to the point of full infractions gets a PERM ban not a tempt ban.

Depending on user feedback I will TRY to evolve this idea further over the next couple days. Obviously there is the slight issue of if a person edits their post etc.(perhaps if the person edits we can automatically remove the vouch or something to that end.)

Let me know what you think.
Thanatos

 

[FoXmAnIaC]

Vouches are quoted, they can't get away with editing a vouch. A dummy could just press the arrow and look at the actual post. And you can't change how people want to say how much they trusted the person they traded with.

 

[thanatos920]

Vouches aren't quoted in the profile atm, it just says list your vouches here, many people are just putting names, MY point is that it should be mandatory that the name be accompanied by a link and if the link is false then people should be punished for it.

 

[sellmyalt]

Vouches from people that haven't been around for atleast 3 months shouldn't count? That's incredibly stupid.

And you still should be able to post vouches where you went first, although it doesn't prove you're as trustworthy as if someone went first to you, it still proves that you have good intentions and are not here to scam.

Don't like this idea tbh, and the vouches we have atm are quoted and you can just press the button to see the post, so what's wrong with what we have?

 

[Alteranz]

On an old forum I used to be on before it got shut down called "SlopDog" there was a reputation System they had put in for trades. The system basically was like the report post button, but it was underneath the persons name. If you completed a trade with someone then you would go to the related thread, and then click the reputation button. An option would come up whether to give a negative or positive reputation and then you could write a description for the reputation given, such as: "thanks heaps for getting my mining from 50-60"

You were only able to give reputation once you were of a certain rank , to prevent leechers from spamming each other their reputation up. There was also a limit of how much rep somone could give the same person, you couldn't give 2 in a row. This system could be used for trades, as well as general helping round the forum (there would be rules at which someone could give reputation for) and all reputation given/recieved can be viewd by every user as well as the total ammount of rep someone has underneath their name.
For example, is someone has 28 rep points under their name, you know you can probably trust them (but as you would with vouches, you would also check their reputations and what they were for).

Let me know what you think, I know for a fact that it would be hard to make though

 

[thanatos920]

sellmyalt, the reason why I said people who have been around for 3 months is because multiple people create stupid extra accounts or have their friends (who don't even play runescape.) come on here and give them fake vouches. Forcing them to wait three months gives people time to see what they do with members that have actually already been around not people who just joined up and are probably their next door neighbor.

A vouch where you went first is meaningless. It shows nothing, someone who goes first with 50USD when buying 10M, is TOTALLY different than someone who got 10M and then paid 50USD. there's no proof of trust if you go first.

Perhaps I am not using the vouch system properly, currently all I can figure out how to do is simply stick a vouch in my profile and a link. If there's something more to it then I'll have to figure it out. I'll go investigate more stickies then see what I've come to.

EDIT-

On an old forum I used to be on before it got shut down called "SlopDog" there was a reputation System they had put in for trades. The system basically was like the report post button, but it was underneath the persons name. If you completed a trade with someone then you would go to the related thread, and then click the reputation button. An option would come up whether to give a negative or positive reputation and then you could write a description for the reputation given, such as: "thanks heaps for getting my mining from 50-60"

You were only able to give reputation once you were of a certain rank , to prevent leechers from spamming each other their reputation up. There was also a limit of how much rep somone could give the same person, you couldn't give 2 in a row. This system could be used for trades, as well as general helping round the forum (there would be rules at which someone could give reputation for) and all reputation given/recieved can be viewd by every user as well as the total ammount of rep someone has underneath their name.
For example, is someone has 28 rep points under their name, you know you can probably trust them (but as you would with vouches, you would also check their reputations and what they were for).

Let me know what you think, I know for a fact that it would be hard to make though

See that's pretty much exactly what I mean, as it's what I've used before. BUT you should be able to also add vouches manually in the begining as many people will have vouches that are over a year old which are still vouches none the less and some members have quit etc but their vouch should remain. It is a good system and will make things work out pretty well. It's basically the feedback system ebay has. And it works pretty friggen well for ebay.

 

[Xbox Maniac 4 Life]

Vouch for Xbox Maniac 4 life... Did absulutly nothing for this fake vouch

^^ i see what you mean about fake vouches in, atleast with vouch threads there was straight up proof of the vouch, im not dis-ing on this vouch way, but i liked the old way better :noworry:

 

[hemeny]

disagree thats basically like a rep system. it would just be abused by fake... even more fake vouches then there already are

btw totally agree with that. getting vouched for going first ? thats f'in stupid. you dont deserve shit for going first except payment.
i do like alteranz's idea tho with the limitations and such

 

[sellmyalt]

disagree thats basically like a rep system. it would just be abused by fake... even more fake vouches then there already are

btw totally agree with that. getting vouched for going first ? thats f'in stupid. you dont deserve shit for going first except payment.
i do like alteranz's idea tho with the limitations and such

I agree with you getting vouched for going first is pretty unvalued, but I still think you should be allowed to. It shows trust in the way that you're actually here to legitimately buy things in the market, which shows /some/ trust. But I am sick of people who have 25 vouches, 20 of them for training, and 5 for going first and they think they are extremely trusted.

 

[thanatos920]

Therefore the idea simply needs to be expanded.

A) To mr people could just abuse it with more fake vouches than there are now (THIS is why I put a 3month or more limit on being able to give vouches SO YOU CANNOT make new accounts and have vouches from them. SECONDLY I put in place STRONG infractions against users who add fake vouches (IE putting a vouch in there linked to a post that's not actually a vouch.).

B) Training is a worthy vouch, FOR TRAINING, if you want to add training vouches to your profile you should more than be able to, as people are supposed to verify your vouches then they will see they are training and if they want training the vouches will be worth it to them.

We can evolve this further just let me know your ideas.

 

[in-tox-icate]

I don't like the fact that people like me, who haven't been on the forum very long but are completely legit, and haven't scammed once, and actually want to do legit business with my peers shouldn't be able to vouch for some one? I don't believe post count or join date deters the fact that some users are trustworthy and some user's are not. If you changed it making that only vouches that where verified by the user, that would decrease fake vouches, and also decrease scammers, Although it would not full eliminate them because of IP changing software and new accounts, It would still greatly decrease them. I think the vouch system has a lot to be worked on because of the uncertainty of it, but you've got an amazing idea, just make it a bit more fair for users like me who aren't just here to steal and leech, but are actually here for trading and a community.

 

[thanatos920]

I don't like the fact that people like me, who haven't been on the forum very long but are completely legit, and haven't scammed once, and actually want to do legit business with my peers shouldn't be able to vouch for some one? I don't believe post count or join date deters the fact that some users are trustworthy and some user's are not. If you changed it making that only vouches that where verified by the user, that would decrease fake vouches, and also decrease scammers, Although it would not full eliminate them because of IP changing software and new accounts, It would still greatly decrease them. I think the vouch system has a lot to be worked on because of the uncertainty of it, but you've got an amazing idea, just make it a bit more fair for users like me who aren't just here to steal and leech, but are actually here for trading and a community.

Don't you see your post is the exact reason why I want to give users 3 months here prior to allowing their vouches to go in profiles ( YOU CAN still of course give someone a vouch in a thread, but they can't add it to their profile until you've been around for three months. Therefore three months after you've joined they can go back and add your vouch to their profile.)

The three months rule is more to stop people from multiple IPing different sythe accounts to add shitty and fake vouches. Once you've been around for 3 months judging by your atitude your vouches will be worth a lot more as you will be well established as being trusted. Anyone who doesnt know you right now will just see your status and not pay attention to your vouch anyways.

The point really is just to stop multiple Iping as it will take too much time for a random scammer to keep two accounts legitly going for 3 months just to earn ONE vouch. I'm just trying to find what works.

 

[in-tox-icate]

Hmm, i like it actually.
Didn't fully understand until now, great idea, Obviously still some flaws but..
everythings got flaws.

But what i see it as, somone could still just make like lets say 20 accounts in one night.
Then plays runescape for three months.
comes back on here and there is 20+ fake vouches for him.

I think we should just have vouches need a screenshot verified by certain team of users that sit around and verify that it looks like a trade has occured.

there will still be fakes obviously but this could point us in the right direction, am i correct?

by the way, im in no way trying to take over the thread, just give you ideas to possibly further improve your vouch idea.