Sythe Statue of Limitations

I know there's been discussion(s) about keeping off-site activities off site, etc. Recently Video was banned. (I do NOT know his case, nor do I claim I do, but apparently it has to do with scamming on a different site a while back.)


My suggestion:
Add a limitation to where someone can be banned for scamming. If someone scammed someone for an Itunes card for example, over a year ago. Someone then find's this trade, and reports them. The user is then banned, even though they had done $1k+ trades since then? As well, haven't had one more complaint for scamming etc.
While lots of people do NOT change. What if they were like 13, got greedy, stole $10, and then later on they came back and come some known user. Is it really fair to ban them for lack of maturity?

Even on Lie Detector tests when applying for things in jobs, things are exempt. Example of this would be:
"Have you ever stolen something since the age of 17."

Thoughts please.

 

Only support this would get from me is if this were only for offenses 2+ years ago.

 

1 Year was simply an example, the time-frame could be changed easily.

 

Support, For offences that were off site 2+ years ago and should not apply to current or past bans.

 

Alright another point to think about. Would there be a double limitation?

If it were 2+ years ago and < $X?

I'd support this suggestion like this: 2+ years ago and under $25

 

I was also thinking about this and something like $25 would be reasonable. Anything higher then that would not be acceptable in my eyes. I don't care if they where young or immature scamming is scamming.

 

What happens when things have a sliding monetary value (i.e. RuneScape accounts fluctuate in prices all the time - similar with in game items)?

I believe that it opens up even more gray areas that could be potentially exploited. The pardon system is effective for these specific case situations.

 

They have to try to find the scammed user back and pay him back what he scammed him.

 

I agree and they would have to show proof as well.

 

Perhaps the value of the scam at the time?

For example, two years ago gold was $3-$4/M and scamming 10M would have been above the threshold monetary value and therefore the scammer would not be allowed to come back, even if two years had passed since the scam, despite the fact that 10M now is under $25 from all gold sellers.

I support this idea, because it seems to me as I read through the high pardon and the dispute forums, several people made very small relative mistakes several years ago that should perhaps have been overlooked when taking into account the person in question's contribution to sythe.

 

Isn't that changing for the wrong reasons? How can we prove that they've truly changed at all?

The trick is, don't make the mistake - don't suffer the consequences. I really believe that the high pardon system works for those who truly deserve it.

 

My one big concern here is I don't want this to turn into a free card to scam around the internet and then stay hidden for 2 years then just pop up like a dandelion and nothing can be done to you. I'd rather deal with them in high pardons case by case.

 

Seems fair enough.

What about people who commit offenses now? Do they get unbanned in two years?
Or does it only count for people who already committed the offense and were maybe banned for it?

 

Why? It seems like you are just making numbers up. Even though they sound reasonable, coming up with a set of rules with some reasoning behind it might just make it better.

Other note: There are a lot more rules that just scamming that really should have the same limitations.

 

Perhaps it could be voted on by the upper staff like the new pardon process.

 

2+ years is to make sure there is a chance for change to happen. The longer the time the better. The $25 max limit is to make sure "Major" scammers never get this deal automatically handed to them. I am uneasy about this but wouldn't be super resistant to it.

 

The pardon system is sufficient.

 

I'm more worried as it covers multiple different situations, people who joined less than two years ago and people who joined more than two years ago. This will obviously be a non-issue for you, but it makes me uneasy to hold offsite offenders to the same standard as onsite offenders as the offsite ones would have never harmed us in anyway.

 

He is saying to not ban them at all for certain trades they scammed for 2+ years ago.

 

I think it would just complicate things, if you've been banned for scamming/phishing/hacking etc. but you haven't done it since (time/date/years) and been a contributing member of the community. You should ask for a high pardon, it just over rules the high pardon system in some ways as some offences committed by people are only found out or confessed (normally) a long time after the incident.

Momentarily, I feel the new update to the high pardon system is capable enough for a member who has contributed highly but made a small mistake to be un-banned. This system that you are suggesting would almost over-rule the ban dispute section, high pardon section in some cases. Secondly, I feel if someone has committed an offence, they should own up to it and see the consequences, if any, it's best to be honest and truthful. All to do more with moral conscience then, you knowing you got away with something because you did it (time/days/years) ago.

To put it in real life sceanrio, it's like committing a murder 5 years ago. You hide for 5 years knowing the police will stop searching for you after that time, that's not the case and people can be caught out after 10, 20, 30 years after they have committed an offence. I will mention again, the high pardon system is to let contributing members of the community who have committed an offence to be un-banned. I know this wouldn't happen in real life, you might get a shortened jail term but you are facing some sort of punishment either way.

By us letting members be high pardoned, we are relieveing them of any punishment and to freely, again be a member of this community. It doesn't matter if you've committed an offence on this site or another site 10 years ago, if you ask for a high pardon the staff will look at you with the ut-most respect for being a morally concious person and review your case fairly.