Account services should be changed

Going by your logic you have explained a few times think of it this way - You have an apple and an orange, both different fruits. Just because they are shaped pretty much the same (other than an orange typically being a bit bigger unless you buy the other types from standard) it doesn't mean you can claim they are both apples or both oranges.

The exact same is being implied here, someone can claim they are a worker until they take a whale size turd down their legs, it doesn't always mean they are your worker. The same exact story applies to adding workers to your service thread and bringing up what you said about removing them every 5 minutes after, you cannot just do that after all they paid an insurance policy to work under your service name/company.

 

You wouldn't necessarily need to put all of your worker contact details on the thread, just their Sythe account would be enough. There shouldn't be any reason why a worker can't make or request an account to be made for them.

@Worm I've seen UPS from the inside and even I'm impressed at how that group has managed to flow so smoothly for so long, but there have been cases in the past where UPS had management staff who weren't allowed on Sythe were kept long past they were meant to leave the group. The end results was a "Remove them or you're all banned until you do" situation. Transparency is a good thing for everyone.

 

There are sometimes problems with that, and hello my old friend.

As your signature shows already (their profile + Skype ID) this is simply to avoid impostors or people adding possible fakes, or claims to be "hacked" of any sort. I mean, sure it isn't for everyone to have a full blown list of information for their workers, but basic contact information etc is sometimes needed.

 

Hello.

I list their full contact details because they're allowed to take & confirm orders when I'm not around, otherwise their Skype wouldn't be listed. Regardless though, it's not really that hard to stick a spoiler tag on a thread and keep it updated from time to time.

 

Exactly exactly..

I mean, for your example it's that they accept orders whilst you're not around, for me I add my workers into a group chat with the customer (I don't deal with the customers information, only a worker does if they are doing the order) and we follow up things from there.

 

Agreed that there should be a list. In the past when I had workers, in which they would bump sometimes, people would add them and not contact me directly, which can create a whole other issue because they did something their own without my confirmation or knowing. Yet causing trouble if something happened.

 

Ultimately it should be whoever takes the order is at fault if something goes wrong. Regardless of the label behind them.

TeamTofu stating that he allows his workers to take orders when he is away , now that is pretty scary. The workers at UPS , while we trust them and they have a deposit in, we would not allow them to take orders because it would fall back on the company without our knowledge and approval.

This conversation quickly turned from a great debate with really good points to a bicker battle between two people. I think this should be a conversation for administration and moderators and individuals here can show their support and express their opinions to get the staff to the best decision.

Let's continue the good conversation because as a manager of UPS I am constantly looking at ways to improve the company. If you have suggestions , or concerns, I highly encourage you to express them so i can consider them carefully

 

I am a worker of TeamTofu(inactive atm cause sorta busy and but ill take orders if its desperately needed) and all of us have individual Sythe profiles and we are completely transparent e.g. people are directed to add which worker is taking the order on Skype or they add us separately. Its completely clear who is doing the order at all times.

Do you watch over your employees shoulders everyday as a manager? Doubt it. Do you check in every now and then? I'm sure of it. Btw a part of growing/expanding a company is delegating responsibilites to your subordinates, you as a manager should understand this. You're representing the company also and i'm sure people who are higher up than you are trusting you with the image of the company.

I feel like the points between TeamTofu delegating responsibility to workers if *critical* is 'scary' and you being a manager who has responsibilities delegated to you by higher authorities on a daily basis is like ????

EDIT: Also from an earlier post, I think that if you are operating off Sythe with your business then I think its fair that workers should also make accounts. For all you know a worker could of got done in the past for scamming and you wouldn't know if they are a vader or wat

 

The main factor here is it's not just for "your" business, it's for the market in general.

And when it comes to the bickering side of things, this is what happens when people like Sneak like to shit post without a real concept behind the thread itself.

I do however agree with you on the whole point of a company being fell back on, this is what I have tried to highlight, as workers (making sure they are listed on the service) they are only meant to be and allowed to be given work from the service via us.

 

This is the reason why I made this thread (quite literally), people should be able to know who is doing what and when on their accounts. If the person is outsourcing then that puts the customers at risk no matter what if they accept responsibility or not.

And let's be honest here, someone with say a $200 or a $500 rank for example loses a lot more than someone without a rank and just gains vouches, but at the same time this can also be classed as feedback/vouch farming if they are in fact claiming to be able to receive such from outsourcing work.

 

My view on this is pretty simple: buyers have a right to know EXACTLY who is on their account. Having to add something as simple as 'Work may be undertaken by my workers or outsourced to a third party! Feel free to ask who will be using your account' to a ToS really isn't a big issue - it removes any ambiguity as to whether or not the buyer was aware of the situation before they committed to paying for the service etc, and would only take up another bullet point of space within the thread. Having said that, I feel that this information should only NEED to be disclosed if the buyer requests it. Making it mandatory for service owners to list their workers/possible third party outsources' Skype IDs etc. is unnecessary imo - this information should be given out on request, as it is only useful to the client and therefore redundant if they aren't too bothered about knowing, which I'd guess is the case quite a lot of the time. Also, I'd finally add that all (if not, most) large services require an entry deposit which protects against undesired activity from workers. Therefore, as long as owners take the hit (in a monetary way - obviously the offending should be banned from Sythe etc.), the risk for the buyer getting their work done by a worker/third party is hardly any different from them having the owner handling it.

 

Yeah definitely, if people feel like their workers privacy is being compromised like people stated earlier in the thread then they shouldn't be used to operate on Sythe orders unless they have a Sythe account. Off-site I can sort of understand but on here I don't think its fair that they get to go under the radar and potentially run off anonymously if anything goes wrong whereas the Sythe workers who are publically displayed get named/shamed/banned. Sort of encourages scam-quit behaviour I think.

Idk, me and the other workers on Teamtofu are all friendly and communicate with ea other outside of just doing orders and I guess our situation is different because we have a lot of friends to lose etc. and we pay BA for fun cause we like it. If a worker wants to hide their privacy then i'd like to ask why & why they should be trusted to do high-risk orders involving a lot of GP.

The vouches I don't really mind, I guess because the customers leaving the feedback usually state which worker completed their order in the vouch thread for Teamtofu. I think its a fair trade-off because owners do take the risk and also manage everything a lot more than one of us workers would. I know I couldn't be fucked making a service thread & I like that I can just take orders as I please as its casual and I think that the service owner receiving the vouches for what the workers complete is a fair trade. (I think this is what you were talking about but i'm not sure hahah i'm sorry if this is in no way what you meant)

 

Full support, I believe all workers need to be accounted for if workers are used for account training/other services.

The only reason that I can think of someone not wanting to make a sythe account is if they've previously been banned from Sythe.

It would also prevent people that pretend to have X amount of workers from lying when an account gets banned and saying it was one of their workers and they'll pay them back, when it reality it was just them botting on the account (I could name someone but everyone should know who that is lol)

 

@Colts7841 knows full well where we want to go!

Well played my brother, well played

 

No. If someone is allowed to take an order, it's the manager's responsibility to deal with things if something goes wrong. For example, my workers trade under my name & reputation, therefore I'm the one who has to deal with any problems. The same should apply to UPS, with service managers taking responsibility for anyone they distribute orders to, and the head managers / directors taking responsibility for the service managers etc.

In short, if someone under you fucks up then it's your job to deal with it, continuing up to the top of the chain.

I've ran services for almost 4 years running that model without charging commission/deposits and never had an issue. Funnily enough the same can't be said for yours.

 

Shots fired.

Just remember UPS is a group of people who by the sounds of it outsource themselves. And to be fair they are "big" on Sythe, whilst myself and many others are VERY BIG elsewhere lol.. If only feedback went the same way for other websites, I think sometimes people forget this.

I do again agree with what you said as well though, and I don't see why UPS should be ruled over everyone else, especially if the attitude comes across as they are better than the rest so their fingers should be in places they shouldn't usually want to be.

 

this thread isn't about "you" get off your high horse.

 

I support posting workers on a thread as long as the Service owner doesn't get any responsibility when a worker gets directly contacted by an outside source and said outside source gets scammed by that worker. (Which is what should happen currently if I'm not mistaken)

Edit; I've edited my own thread to display all workers that didn't mind their site account linked to service with a nice disclaimer ofc

 

For myself, I make sure all customers make orders forms & add me on Skype, they don't involve themselves with a trade until then as if they do I cant do anything about it.

This of course is just common practice when it comes to the market, everyone should if they don't already know this.

 

Yeah that's not what im talking about, I was talking about customers directly contact a worker to get a (for example) better price.
Considering the person owning the thread can't do anything about this he shouldn't be responsible in any way shape of form. (which should be how it currently works if im not mistaken) but an admin confirming this would ease my mind