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A warning about signed clients

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moparisthebest (from villavu.com) said:
Fakawi once asked the question "What information does Jagex track?" on my forums, here is my reply to that post I thought might be helpful to people here:

The best way to go about this is to not ask yourself or others what information they DO track, but instead to ask what they possibly COULD track.

They could track webserver requests, and you wouldn't even need your own custom server, a simple grep of the access logs from any server software could tell you whether a client is an actual web browser with javascript or if it is just wget or a bot.

They could track mouse movements and clicks. (and they actually have code in place to do so, and the data is sent to thier servers from time to time, what they do with it is anyone's guess. It is likely that they run some type of automated program to analyze it to check for blatant bots, but who knows? No one here for sure.)

They could track your key clicks, the duration, if you ever make any mistakes (a human would). Again, how they would analyze it is anyone's guess, but you should make them as real as you can, and make mistakes like a human would.

They can track what version of VM they are running in, and potentially check what operating system you use, and what classes you have loaded in the JVM if you don't protect against this.

I believe the above is about all they can do, IF you run the unsigned client, which is what I always advise to cheat with. If you run the signed client, they can do anything you can do on your computer, which includes countless nasty things. I'll list a few below, but it's pretty near infinite what they can come up with.
Check running processes (running scar.exe?)
Scan the contents of you hard drive (have any bots or scripts in there)
Look at your browser history (have you ever searched 'runescape cheating', visited moparisthebest.com or SRL?).

They could even install code that runs on boot to check all of these things. I wouldn't suggest it for cheating at all, ever.

This should be a big red flag for anyone who uses signed clients for added speed. They can pretty much see anything you do/have if they wanted to. So, watch out. But as a counterpoint, it's argued on the thread that this was taken from that they have no right whatsoever to check on your processes and personal files. Just because they can doesnt mean they will.

For reference, this was taken from http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59019

EDIT: See this link https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Warden_(software) Blizzard installs a software to detect cheaters. It can check any running known cheating DLL's among other things. Judges allowed for it though. So not only does Jagex have the technical ability to do it, they have the legal right too.
 
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No, they would never do that. That's illegal....
 
Yeah, but they can if they so wished. But I agree with you, they could be sued extensively and even faced with criminal charges if this happened.
 
that's silly :p they wouldn't do that seeing as it's illegal.
though they could i suppose.

they could also implement a dropper into their client which would make all rs players a part of their botnet to DDOS other sites, but that doesn't mean they will.
 
I am 100% sure that they would not do that. It is an invasion of privacy, and could easily get sued.
Yes they COULD do it. They will not though.

The only thing I found that could be possible is the tracking of mouse movement/patterns.
 
If you use windows XP got to the C:\ directory, just the hard-drive, along with "program files" there should be another folder called ".jagex_cache_32"!


Yep, that's where the client is I'm pretty sure, right on the C drive, not hidden anywhere lol. They put it with all the very most important folders in your computer like "WINDOWS" (operating system .dll's) and "Documents and Settings" (all your stuff).


So this shows they can put stuff on your computer, as they already have lol!


So going by this, they could see ANYTHING you do, they could put a keyogger, a virus, etc. The possiblilites of what Jagex could do are infinite!


But of course as stated above all those are criminal offences in a lot of countries, so they would never dare.
 
If you run the signed client, they can do anything you can do on your computer, which includes countless nasty things. I'll list a few below, but it's pretty near infinite what they can come up with.
Check running processes (running scar.exe?)
Scan the contents of you hard drive (have any bots or scripts in there)
Look at your browser history (have you ever searched 'runescape cheating', visited moparisthebest.com or SRL?).

They could even install code that runs on boot to check all of these things.


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No, they can not and they do not, or cheating would not have lasted past '07. Some of this is illegal, others are diffucult to do; especially on a mass scale.

If you use windows XP got to the C:\ directory, just the hard-drive, along with "program files" there should be another folder called ".jagex_cache_32"!




So this shows they can put stuff on your computer, as they already have lol!

Wrong.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100715164516AAkCLP9
http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=384085
 
If you run the signed client, they can do anything you can do on your computer, which includes countless nasty things. I'll list a few below, but it's pretty near infinite what they can come up with.
Check running processes (running scar.exe?)
Scan the contents of you hard drive (have any bots or scripts in there)
Look at your browser history (have you ever searched 'runescape cheating', visited moparisthebest.com or SRL?).

They could even install code that runs on boot to check all of these things.


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No, they can not and they do not, or cheating would not have lasted past '07. Some of this is illegal, others are diffucult to do; especially on a mass scale.



Wrong.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100715164516AAkCLP9
http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=384085

Scar.exe is a botting program, one of the first ones after autorune. Way before rsbot [now Powerbot], Nexus, anything else. And the guy I quoted this from knows what he's talking about...

EDIT: Look at this: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Warden_(software) Blizzard did that, they installed that software on people's computers to check running cheating DLL's among other things. Judges in court allowed it...
 
You are clearly not a big picture type of guy.
Jagex has long since realized runescape was made way too large. They know that the goals (99s) take way too long to complete, but they can't change it because they would piss off everyone who has ever gotten a 99.
Of course Jagex doesn't support botting, but they won't go to such trouble to catch a botter (unless your account is in the top 1k in the world). Even so, they would only view what they could legally see. Why would a corporation such as Jagex risk millions of dollars in settlement money over one runescape account that doesn't even take money away from them?
 
Lol.. Useless topic.

It doesnt matter if they CAN do it because they WONT.

They would be sued to badly, and claims would come up from all over with as many RS players as there are.

Ive botted 5 99's using signed, with MULTIPLE bots running at once. About 3.

Never had any problems.
 
If you use windows XP got to the C:\ directory, just the hard-drive, along with "program files" there should be another folder called ".jagex_cache_32"!


Yep, that's where the client is I'm pretty sure, right on the C drive, not hidden anywhere lol. They put it with all the very most important folders in your computer like "WINDOWS" (operating system .dll's) and "Documents and Settings" (all your stuff).


So this shows they can put stuff on your computer, as they already have lol!


So going by this, they could see ANYTHING you do, they could put a keyogger, a virus, etc. The possiblilites of what Jagex could do are infinite!


But of course as stated above all those are criminal offences in a lot of countries, so they would never dare.

You half-brained fucktard, that's where jagex stores the runescape cache and data. Lmao, why don't you delete it and make sure they do not install anything there again? then try playing your little precious runescape character you wasted 6 years (1/2 of your life) on. They cannot do shit, if you actually knew anything about computers or how games work (you obviously dont) then you'd know it requires a stored cache to run at an efficient speed. And you are freaking out that they put it in the windows folder, windows folder itself isn't too important, there's other folders INSIDE of that folder that are important, but just because they put it there doesn't mean they will hack you. How about you stop playing? oh damn, you cannot because you have to impress every 11 year old girl, oops I mean boy in runescape how you just got your dragon longsword and granite body. And quit trying to be all smart such as, "But of course as stated above all those are criminal offences in a lot of countries, so they would never dare." because it's the knowledge that counts, not stupid assumpsions a 12 year old child makes. Now get back to your mother, you need your breast-feed.
 
You half-brained fucktard, that's where jagex stores.....

Enough of you sir =\ thats a little rude....

Anyways back on topic, its HIGHLY unlikely for them to do anything of the sort stated above since its Illegal, its a Corporation, they have priority's and catching one 13 year old kid botting on Runescape isnt really worth breaking the law and risking a lawsuit.
 
This is interesting, being the paranoid person I am, I might start botting on unsigned clients.
 
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