Warning about Vouches

Just to prevent cases. People should have enough common sense.

I've only had 1 of 6 deals end up with me not getting ripped off here.


All 5 rip offs were me going 1st to someone with vouches and positive feedback.

I think maybe a Warning should be made to make it clear to members (this is to also protect you guys from liability, even though you really have none) that even someone with good feedback could decide they don't care any more or rip you off.

Some people even decide to rip you off cause they know they have enough positive feedback and post count that they can get a way with it and make you seem like the villain.

A warning should be reiterated once more to warn members anyone can scam at any time.

Personally I wished to continue trade here but due to my treatment from staff, the fact that I was ignored, and that my scammers were not punished while I was makes me afraid...

If you show you wanna help I could change my outlook and would be glad to help to, maybe even donate. (I was going to but not anymore >_>)

 

could you give an example?

 

Honestly all these scammers mess up and get caught eventually Its common sense that anyone could turn at any moment. Vouches aren't there to be absolute but are there to bridge trust between two user's, even with the most trusted users you should opt to use a Middleman.

 

I'm slightly confused about what your talking about but if your saying that one of them scammed you but got away with it since they have a high post count then that's wrong. Doesn't matter who they are. If they scammed you report it and get them banned.

 

The thing is, you can never really be 100% sure that the person you are trading with is legitimate and won't scam you. Most members know this, but the issue being new members or members who rarely use the market don't fully understand this. As Travis said, use a trusted Middleman and always be wary with your trades, you'll be fine

Also, with the issues you're having with the staff and scammer reports some people unfortunately do get off. You need to acquire as much information as possible and hope it's enough for the member to be banned. If not the Staff will not ban the member because you could be lying, etc. Don't take it personally

 

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I'm saying Sythe should cover themselves and make sure members know that just cause someone has 40 vouches or 900 posts and is loved doesn't mean they cannot turn any second...

And only 1 time when I reported someone did the person get scared and refund me.

Other times there was nothing to refund.

I posted videos and everything but they're deleted for some reason. FireZ says he had them saved, but then a mdoerator infracted me for no proof?

This isn't about me, I think they're should be a general warning though. Specially on CC purchases (CC with paypal even)

 

Sounds like you want every one to have a TWC to me. When it comes down to it vouches and post count mean nothing. It's up to you the trader to use your best judgment and decide if you can trust the person or not. Theres always the option of using a free middle man or a OMM.

 

Yes, but can't a middelman be corrupt? I don't know who to trust here cause even trusted members seem fishy.

Just wish the nature of the internet wasn't so uh.

Sorry you guys have to endure this, just helps me to bounce thoughts around.

Yeah, I'm butt hurt over mods siding with the guy who scammed me. So don't try and attack me and be some saviour...

This just helps me vent my thoughts

 

Always record your trades, never close your MSN windows until the trade is successful. This way you'll prevent alot of scams.

If you do not have sufficient proof, the staff cannot ban all the members that have scammed you (it doesn't matter if they have 1000 vouches or 1 vouch), the fact of this matter is; if you have enough proof - they will be banned.

 

You realize that vouches aren't official at all. It's all about what you put into it. 300 vouches for $3 upgrades doesn't count as much as 100 vouches for $50 items.

It's common sense to use a bit of logic when evaluating traders.

 

Its on you as a trader to go through their trading history as well.

If they have a couple vouches for giving a free name, some free skilling, and maybe a pin purchase, obviously that will hold less weight that someone who has multiple vouches for rares trading and such.

Post count should not count for much, unless it is over 9000.

 

Yup.

I'd be willing to help develop, but I think Sythe should have a something like MSN except it logs everything to a server on sythe so stuff can be proven better

Third-party = anything could happen.

I did post video proof of 3 different things, FireZ deleted it, he said he can still see it.

Pokemon infracted me for no proof though? I'd like that revoked but more on this.

Mod's feel free to close this and split this post if you want. Sythe Chat would be awesome. I'd be willing to help develop it! Java or Vb.net or something.

 

Possibly a web client IRC could show up someday. I will look at your videos tonight at work as I don't want a scammer getting away either.

I have had a lot of reports to deal with lately and some "more in depth" then 2 minutes reports and have finally begun to get them back under control.

Also, use a MM and don't be so paranoid around here. Anything else you need add my msn or pm me again.

 

KK. Thanks for the help Fire :] And I'm unrelated to the other kid, but I know I'm not alone in accusations on Payman. Even if I can't fry him I hope someone else will.

I don't wanna seem over critical or a dick Sorry if it seems this way.

If you need an explanation of the evidence (like I've said before, if you don't k now blizz/wow it might not make sense.) pm me or something.

And sorry to bother you again, but do you think you could contact pokemon and have him remove the Infraction since I did have proof?

 

Reversed it. Also glad you have calmed down.

 

Thanks :]

I was rash cause I was really upset about what happened to me.

 

Ive never had a bad trade here. Before i trade with anyone ill just talk to them and see if they are a good person. If they try to rush me, i just back out of the trade.

 

Also: Contacted Blizzard. They will be refunding to my credit card.

So I win in the end. Good show payman, but I'm not letting you run off with something I paid for.

 

Congratz man, i hate scammers too.

The best prevention is of course to use a MM, but sometimes MM scams too -.-

So maybe an OMM would suffice.

but at times there are none online ._.

Also, never trade with someone you feel uncomfortable with, or are suspicious of.

 

No offense but you need to be stupid to get scammed or not , if it depends on a warning.

Post count, vouches and join date, doesnt really show if a member its trusted or now for themselves, its a complement.

Post Count: there are many people that spams all over the forum, or ppl that posts 40/day.

Vouches: depends all on the vouch. "vouch xxx he middlemaned for me and my friend" its pretty diferent to " vouch yyy he did 1-20 wc for free !! "

Join Date: some people just made the account 3 years ago, just came back now and started using it " oh iv been here for years".



My advice if you dont have rep:

1- Use Middleman, 10% lose its better then 100% lose. And a trusted member never refuses a middleman. Plus! its another vouch for you.

2- IF you arent using a middleman, cuz of fees, or they are never on etc.. then you need to do some research about who are you trading with.

- No offense, we all were leechers (newcomers) when we started, but i woudnt trust a newcomer with no vouches.

- If the person has a few vouches ( small sales etc) you can trust them with small trades.

- If the person has a lot of good vouches, joined a long time ago, and has been active (posting), you can obviously trust him with something.

What im trying to say its if i trade a guy with the same rep than me, fair post count, some years ont he forum, some vouches etc... i would go first wioth a cd key, a gamecard, cheap accounts etc.

But i woudnt trust that guy with an acount worth 500$.

What i do its ask myself " its his sythe accoutn worth wnough to risk it scamming my item worth XXX$ ???"
If the answer its NO, then i can go first, if the answer its POSSIBLY, or YES, then i ask them to go first or use a middleman, if they trust me or not its their problem and we can use a middleman, but i keep my stuff safe.

Everyone here has a price, we have seen mods, or omms scamming. but when they decided to scamm they scammed a lot. I dont think an admin can be banned for scamming a pin ( he has to be stupid).

Maybe people has morals and values, but its the internet and you dont know that. On my eyes everyone its a possible scammer, including OMMs, Mods, admins, and the owner himself. I dont know them so i cant trust them blind.
So i need to investigate who i am tradig with to minimize the risks.

Cheers


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