Vouches.

Right, so Skele has allowed me to create another topic about vouches. My last topic was about a certain someone, he admitted he was only selling pins to get vouches (his reasoning behind not selling in bulk). But anyway, my focus on this thread is:

- Vouches

The rules:
- You may not require a vouch in exchange for "free" accounts.
- You may not require a vouch after an exchange of items, or if you've done a service for someone.
- You should only give a vouch to someone, if you "trust" them, and risked something toward them. (You went first, and they followed through smoothly throughout the trade.)
- Vouches cannot be used as a form of currency. ("I'll give you a vouch if you give me $1.")

The reality: [As I see it]
- Most people on sythe, even though it is against the rules, expect a vouch after trading, or doing a service for someone else.
- Most people on sythe determines a person's trust by the NUMBER of vouches they have.
- ^ The above most likely will not and cannot be changed.

Vouches - What's the reality of them? What should it be like with them?

In this thread, I only want serious posts. If I find any posts that aren't related, I will report as spam.

 

I really don't understand the point you're trying to make. Vouches are to show trust, just like you said. In my opinion, I don't think vouches mean too much. You see a lot of trusted members getting banned over stupid things like vouches.

Joe Hazley, had 100+ vouches from pin selling, got banned.

Vouches mean trust, depending on the vouch given. Let's take yourself for example, most of your vouches are from pin sales. A pin at max is worth $4. Having a bunch of $4 sales don't really mean anything and can't really show too much trust.

R2Pleasent on the other side, can be trusted. From his vouches, he's dealt with hundreds and thousands. Vouches in this case, can be used for trusting someone.

Expecting a vouch: When I complete a service for someone, I give them my link and I ask them, if you've liked the job I've done, please vouch. Sure, I expect them to vouch, but I'm not forcing them into doing it.

Also, you can't have a vouch for saying: Vouch for hahanerd, gave me a free lvl 4 name. That's just stupid and it doesn't show trust.

So a brief little summary. Depending on the amount of money handled during an exchange for items/goods/services, vouches can mean alot and shows that you're trusted.

 

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I agree with that. But if you look around, people DO have vouches like that free lvl 4 name. (btw, lvl 4 name... you mean 4 letter name.)

About expecting a vouch - of course, if they liked your service, if they thought it was a smooth and fast one, they should/could vouch for you.

The point I'm trying to make is that many people, mostly people who are new/joined in the past few months or so, don't determine vouches by their $ value. Rather, they count the number of vouches. For example, they'd think that a person with 100 pin selling vouches would be more "trusted" than someone with 10 legitimate vouches of major trades, involving a value of $20+.

I totally agree that me, with pin-selling vouches, would be LESS "trusted" than someone with 10 legitimate $20+ trade vouches.

I hope you see the point I'm trying to make now.

 

Well, it'd be the newly joined person's fault for not looking through the member's vouches. Sometimes, the amount of vouches you have, even for the smallest trades, are good to have.

I'm sort of both ways on this.. There's just the pros and cons to having vouches. Because with vouches, you have some sense as to who you're trading with his legit or not.

 

I suppose you're correct, it WOULD be the newly joined person's fault. I agree with your last sentence.

Any more thoughts?

 

Dorian is awesome at the mildest level.

 

I believe, that instead of the number of 'vouches', there should be a number of monetary value you have risked or gained from trades.

 

vouches like 'vouch for xxxx he got my account out of tutorial island' just make me laugh. but if someone gets 100 accounts out of tutorial islands and gets vouches for each one then he's going to be 'trusted'.

 

I was just viewing somebody's profile, and he claims he's "trusted". He has vouches for getting people out of tutorial island, and skilling for them.

I suppose there are "quality" vouches, and "crap" vouches.

A quality vouch might be a vouch of someone going first to you, risking $10+'s worth, and you followed through.

A crap vouch might be you doing tutorial island for someone.