[Resolved]

Dear Sythe staff and members
This will be a long thread which is why i hope you have the patience to read it all thoroughly and make sure to see it from my perspective as much as you can see it from the perspective of Dragon Dyce.

1. First and foremost i will start by following the generel sythe rules as for the scam report in regards to using the correct template

Scammer's profile link: The scammer is a rank named WIN, but im holding KO responsible as he is the owner of the clan.
His profile: https://www.sythe.org/members/twistedtaco.292241/

Explanation of the trade: Sportsbet inside the clan

Amount scammed: 1.076 BTC (0.4 BTC has been refunded)

How they scammed: A rank scammed me for my bet of 0.3 BTC and i was tricked by the miscommunication of two ranks into thinking i placed 0.1 BTC bet more in some other ranks meanwhile it was the same rank that took the bet. Upon winning the rank named WIN, collected the splits from the ranks and by then he had overexceeded his limit and was holding 10k$ and he decided to scamquit instead of paying me...

Proof that it's their Discord:
They can be seen as ranks in the discord channel.

Discord ID + Unique Discord ID:
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Other relevant trade screenshots:
Blockchain transactions links of the 0.3 and 0.1 BTC:
BTC Transaction 6ecfc7b84317919eafe7f9d20120ac74baa8770bb4f557bd1e52804f0cec526f | BlockCypher
BTC Transaction 6b20a6e10209c4b417365267e136d0cca443447d01cfba47a156957d991228d2 | BlockCypher

• Now it is time for the actual story as it went on for the day.

Having had a long day i decided to do some gambling. I think it is important to notice that i have gambled over 100 Trill + in Dragon Dyce which is also confirmed by the rank i have been given in the discord clan.
The dragon highroller 100 trill + rank can be seen on the following screenshot: Rank

The past time ranks in Dragon Dyce had told me that the new rank "WIN" who had bought in as Pit Boss (The highest buyable rank) was all keen on taking all of my bets which is why i had placed all my latest bets with him. The ranks almost advertising him to me can be seen here:

Fyndel (Admin in Dragon Dyce refering to WIN):
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Guard (Shiftmanager in Dragon Dyce refering to WIN):
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Being a normal bettor as i am i decide to contact WIN and gamble against him. I had already lost multiple bets to WIN ranging thousands of dollars. Today i decided to do a 0.3 BTC bet on esoccer knowing that the 0.3 BTC would equal around 2.500$ which would not exceed his max of 4000M 07. The MOST important thing here to notice is that he is enforced by rules to split everything 50/50 with the rest of the ranks which will be key later on!

My chat-conversation can be seen below (If any staff-member needs it, i can surely screenshare it also over discord):
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As seen on the screenshots above i bet 0.3 BTC on Manchester United (Flewless_Phoenix) to win against Tottenham Hotspur (Kalibra).

After that i decide to tell WIN that i want to bet 0.1 BTC and he refers me to Maps (Another Pit boss rank).
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After pming Maps he directly tells me to pm WIN which makes me confused thinking WIN will handle the bet for Maps but that it is maps who is taking it.
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WIN saying maps told him to do it in behalf of him which i only can trust as a bettor:
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Confirmation of bet:
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• Time for payout!

As seen below. Both of the bets played simultaneously and both won which is confirmed with a screenshot from WIN:
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From now on WIN starts acting a bit weird and sketchy. He now proceeds to posting screenshots of the rank-channel where the ranks are slow to pay the tab for their split. The sportsbets i made was split 7-ways as seen below with the following split:
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NOW! The biggest mistake ever was committed by the ranks of the clan. They decided to purposely or unpurposely because of lazyness to pay him the splits even tho it overexceeds HIS LIMIT?!

A rank was now holding over 10.000$ that was supposed to be paid out to me. Normaly ranks would pay the splits to the ranks if the rank had already paid me upfront. That way there was no way he could scam. Instead they decided to let him hold over 10.000$.

Which is why i think the following rule does not apply:
Do Not trade a rank more then he is allowed to hold. You are insured up to the maximum amount that that rank is allowed to hold in case of being scammed.

The use of this rule is a bullshit way to avoid responsibility! When the truth is that the mistake is from the dragon dyce team. In reality all of the ranks who split in on the bet and decided to send thousands of dollars over his limit when he was already holding 0.3 BTC bet and 0.1 BTC on behalf of Maps (or so i thought. Later on discovered that due to the miscommunication between win and maps it made it seem that way to me even thought he was not).

I have been refunded 0.4 BTC which was my original bet but i am yet to receive my winning paid out (0.676 BTC = 6.000 USD). KO even admits here that it was dumb for the ranks to pay out the splits to WIN in advance which is why he changed the rule now....:
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So in reality. If i had not won no one would have found out he was a scammer. Because i won i only got refunded 0.4 BTC because the ranks decided to send the winnings to a rank that was already filled up within his max-limit instead of sending it to me directly or an admin/owner seeing as they should know their own rules better then any.
I have tried talking with Fyndel and KO on discord but sadly KO is not looking to discuss things. He is angry and just wants to refund me 0.4 BTC and leave it there.

The only hope i have to get some acknowledgement and get the rest of my payment 6.000 USD is through you guys dear staff and users on sythe.

I need the sythe staff judgement on this case. The ranks of the clan is at fault here by sending the splits directly to WIN and making him overexceed his limit. The rule should not apply in this case and i feel like i should be eligble for a full refund.

I can add whatever screenshots needed or screenshare or anything.

Dear regards
Magnet

This is the last message from WIN
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A New Rank Scammed two customers, one customer made this report and another customer, both were refunded the full amount they bet 0.4 bitcoin and $1500, Full Bet amount paid as per our clan rules, No clans payout winnings this would open up huge scams of ranks and customers working together to bankrupt clans it would not be possible, our clan rules have been the same for years.

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2. The rank he traded had a max allowed bet of 4bill osrs gp, he sent him 0.4 which is more then the ranks allowed to hold, yet i still paid him out the full amount he sent the rank. (screenshot below)
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Dear admins
I will list a couple of reasons why the refund should not be based of off the policy of Dragon Dyce:

• First of all. It is important that i tell you guys that i respect dragon dyce and the admins and the ranks. This is not to create any hetz towards them but i just can not let 6.000 USD pass. If i had lost i would be 0.4 BTC down the drain.

1. Twistedtaco says that i exceeded the max limit of the rank. His limit is 4.000M 07. I betted 0.3 BTC and because of miscommunication as KO himself confirms in the screenshot below the 0.1 BTC seemed like it was on behalf of maps just hosted by WIN. The initial 0.3 BTC placed at WIN at gold prices bought at probemas equals under 3.000M 07. The bet was also split up with the ranks which can be confirmed with the screenshots below aswell.

Miscommunication and change of rules as of now...:
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WIN have split the 0.3 BTC bet 7-ways:
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7-split
7-split 2

• Twistedtaco (KO) saying that the fact that ranks sent the split to the rank is irrelevant. Which it should not be. He says himself after that it would of went to him. Which it should have and in this case because sending the money to the rank obviously would exceed his limit they should have sent it to KO:

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Basicly the point is:
The rule of dragon dyce should NOT apply in this case. The mistake was not on my behalf. If i had alone gambled 0.4 BTC directly at WIN (which i did not i gambled 0.3 BTC at WIN and 0.1 BTC at Maps but because of miscommunication between Maps and WIN it ended up being WIN accepting it without me knowing... as ive showed in my screenshots on the original thread-post). Then it would be fine and mistake on me i exceeded his limit. But the fact that it was split and the splits was sent to him by the ranks and they then exceeded his limit and he scamquit then it shouldnt be my fault. KO himself said that the money would have went to him which it should..............
So the ranks sent him the splits and he was now holding 1.076 BTC... so dumb and because of that mistake im getting only 0.4 BTC back? If the ranks had paid KO or me directly then it wouldnt have happened at all...

I have been patient now and im starting to get annoyed. I have gambled 100+ btc here and this is first time i have a case like this and they are behaving like this. I ALWAYS gamble big here and respect them and wait patiently but now they are doing this.

 

The clan rule is and has been for years, if scammed, with proper evidence you are refunded your bet up to the ranks max, you gave 0.3 and 0.1 which comes to 0.4 you were refunded 0.4 i do not understand the issue here. No clan can exist paying out the bet amount and the winnings, we and any other gambling clan would be opened to mass scams and would not be able to exist. And the Other guy i paid out $1500 was for a gold sale he did with the rank which isnt even covered, we do not cover gold sales, and i still paid it out, We do our best to take care of customers, But no way we or other gambling clans can exist if they are forced to pay out the winnings on top of the bet placed, People would Buy rank then setup scams with their friends to place max bets many of them on a rank then force clans to payout 5-10x the amount they paid for the rank, its impossible, i have been doing this for 9 years, and i know for a fact its Impossible to do

 

I gave the rank 0.3 BTC and the 0.1 BTC was supposed to have been taken by Maps therefor not exceeding his limit.

It is not irrelevant because if they had just paid you the splits or me directly thereby not exceeding the ranks max limit then this would have never happened?

I have been refunded the bet amount of 0.4 BTC but am i supposed to just let the remaining 6000 USD pass on Lol?

 

You guys must be joking lmao

 

It is hard to reply to your comments KO when you keep editing the previous post when i have responded to it. Please make a new reply so i can respond individually to it.

ALSO:
AGAIN i respect the ranks and the owner of Dragon Dyce. I just need staff input on this. I do not think i am to be giving fault in this and the issue is the miscommunication between the ranks leading to them paying the 7-way splits to him instead of KO and thereby they let him hold over 10.000$....
The rule should not apply in that case. I have betted hundreds of thousands of dollars before without problems and i think its really sad that i finaly face a problem and instead of trying to keep me as a bettor they decide to stick to the "rules" and apply them when im not at fault...

 

Ranks split in to bets other ranks have taken, thats on the clan side of things, nothing to do with the customer, you sent a rank 0.3 and 0.1 btc and were refunded 0.4 btc per clan rules. And sorry for editing post just trying to stay on topic and be clear.

 

But the truth is if ranks had paid out the splits to you and thereby not exceeding his limit and letting him hold 10.000$+ this would not have happened?
Therefor the rules should not apply as the ranks made the mistake and has miscommunication error that lead to him taking 0.4 BTC instead of 0.3 BTC and 0.1 BTC at maps. And him holding that much?
I did not exceed his limit myself?

 

I sincerly hope that the staff team takes into consideration that i was not at fault here and that 6.000 USD is no small amount. If i had lost no one would have refunded me but because i won and they had mistake in communication and ended up letting him hold all the splits which then made it exceed his limits then im only entitled to my original bet amount and they try to apply the rules on me

 

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Above is screenshot of another clans rules on scams and refunds, its the same as ours, What ranks were split in on the bet or who they sent to are irrelevent, No clans pay out winnings, its impossible to exist

 

My ip address is:
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how can i be evading? Lol?

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Back to the topic: I really dont wanna repeat myself lol. I was not at fault.

the truth is if ranks had paid out the splits to you and thereby not exceeding his limit and letting him hold 10.000$+ this would not have happened?
Therefor the rules should not apply as the ranks made the mistake and has miscommunication error that lead to him taking 0.4 BTC instead of 0.3 BTC and 0.1 BTC at maps. And him holding that much?
I did not exceed his limit myself?

Ill be waiting for final staff input on this..

 

Ranks are taking many bets at same time sometimes, what if a ranks max bet is 2bill osrs lets say, and quietly they take 2bill bet from 4 different bettors, then your paying 4x the amount he paid for his rank, not to mention on top of paying this guy his 0.4 bitcoin that he bet, i also refunded 1500$ that he scammed another customer on a gold sale, and we dont even insure gold sales as stated in our clan rules, lots of things to factor in here. But anyways we're adding some features here shortly that should solve this problem, because it seems after many years its not enough to have the rules clearly posted anymore

 

Now if a customer wants to place a large bet, and wants to be insured for the bet and winnings, they can easily do so , by messaging me and sending me the bet , and i have ranks send their splits to me as well, in this case and only this case everything is insured

 

I have tried telling what i think and present my case. Im just waiting for staff input so we dont repeat arguing..

 

yea no worries i was responding to the guy above

 

This was discussed by the staff team

@twistedtaco was made aware of this user and previous history, he was given a warning that he would be responsible for whatever happens with him. The bettor was gambling within the clan's rules and the issue is how the hosts handled @Quicklymade's funds. As a result, the hosts caused Win to go over his max by sending him their splits directly after the bet was won, this is no fault of the bettor.

As such, the clan will be responsible for the winnings lost which appears to be 0.676 BTC

Due to the scams on @momed69 & @Dora007 (@Quicklymade's other accounts) - we ask that the debt from those is cleared first. $520 is owed to @Cherub and $35 to the community repayment fund as the victim is a scammer and banned.

A DNT has been placed until this has been resolved

 

My BTC address for the $520:

326WAJTKBxUrphcxbcfQFAT8jkE1NRhbrQ