[I attempted to scam]

[epicnpcguy]

Scammer's profile link: Kluch
Amount scammed: 105$ x 3.13 (odds)
Discord ID + Unique Discord ID: papikluch + 474060390246907904
Proof that it's their Discord: he can confirm, he asked me to make the report incase I disagree with him

Explanation of the trade: I placed a bet of 105$ on a 3.13 slip, but originally I had a different slip posted. (the winning slip was edited at 1:01, since the slip that was made at 1:00 odds was pretty dire) The host confirmed the slip 'gl' at 1:02 (late 1:02s). I assumed that the new slip was noticed by the host when he said the gl. As you can see in the screenshots, he locked a slip that was made on 1:00, on 1:02, which is pretty rare if we take into consideration that hosts always ask players to re-send their slips to confirm any odds change. I also edited the "all in" part which made me loose my point with Kluch. but my point is that the slip made on 1:00 shouldn't be locked, the edited new one should.

How they scammed: It's not a scam, they have paid me before and they have a good rep, but it's a misconception that happened between me and the host. No matter the outcome I still trust the server but I feel like the outcome can be better.

Other relevant trade screenshots: Screenshot (that's the winning slip, made on unibet on 1:01)
unedited message: Screenshot (this is the slip that the host screenshotted, as you can see, made on 1:00)

let me know if you need anymore info.

 

Hello, to save mods time since this isn't a scam by us.
The user above sent a losing slip that was locked and he deleted the bet and edited his post to a new slip that wasn't confirmed by one of my host.

https://i.gyazo.com/280a50fd77d566a70e434a7d6c6bce28.png

then edited to this slip

https://i.imgur.com/Aatcp2R.png

Also to note, he did this with other discord server before but good thing we have everything logged that let us know what's been deleted and edited to avoid situation like this.

 

[epicnpcguy1]

Hello, to save mods time since this isn't a scam by us.
The user above sent a losing slip that was locked and he deleted the bet and edited his post to a new slip that wasn't confirmed by one of my host.

https://i.gyazo.com/280a50fd77d566a70e434a7d6c6bce28.png

then edited to this slip

https://i.imgur.com/Aatcp2R.png

Also to note, he did this with other discord server before but good thing we have everything logged that let us know what's been deleted and edited to avoid situation like this.

Hey man, you just re-stated that I said, you didnt even bother to read what I posted. Your worker chose the older slip, and not the new one. We both know none of your hosts will lock a 1:00 slip on 1:02.

 

Hey man, you just re-stated that I said, you didnt even bother to read what I posted. Your worker chose the older slip, and not the new one. We both know none of your hosts will lock a 1:00 slip on 1:02.

Maila , doesn’t matter the time the host and you agreed so the slip that was locked. When the original slip lost , at 6:13am you went back and edited the post and changed the slip. You tried to get away with a scam but was caught.

 

[epicnpcguy1]

I don't know what you mean by Maila, but if we use your logic then I can create a slip on 12:00 and expect it to be locked at 12:10. Also, we talked through what was edited. Let's not spam this thread and wait for mods.

 

[Stepper]

Hello, I'm Stepper, an admin at Sports Island. I just want to shed light on some details to help enlighten moderators about the full picture.
To correct the alleged "took too long to lock" accusation, the slip u sent was locked in less than half a minute.
You tagged "Worker" @1:01:58 PM my time.
He took exactly 25 seconds to verify the odds on your slip and said "Gl locked" @1:02:23 PM my time.
And you acknowledged the lock by saying "Ty" @1:02:26 PM my time.
[I can provide proof of these timestamps if needed]
What happened is that after your slip lost, you deleted the slip post (proof shown above by Kluch), and edited the "All in" message to include an imgur.com image with a different slip (proof shown above by Kluch).
I'm surprised you still believe you can get a penny pursuing this report but good luck to you Maila.
If there is any inquiry, a source-of-debate or something that is unclear, please ask us.
Please refer to this gyazo image for reference:

Screenshot - f3046e5c4ea1aeb5ee6587cc3acbb808 - Gyazo

 

[epicnpcguy1]

He GL locked the new slip, and he didn't verify the odds, he was driving, it was all done carelessly, you can see he had google maps open while "checking odds". Lying is a new low to be honest. Also stop trying to associate me with someone else, gaslighting is not nice.

 

[epicnpcguy1]

Also, the "sports confirm channel" doesn't exist anymore. Screenshot

when I asked Kluch about it: Screenshot

Nothing is adding up from your end, this is not nice at all that you're holding the all in edit against me, this is pretty low from you.

 

[epicnpcguy1]

For a clan hosting 1k+ bets everyday, it's pretty messy that you don't have a system in place that locks in bets automatically to avoid such clashes. Also, suddenly hiding the sports confirm channel is extremely fishy. Why are you making all this hassle over a measly 320$ ish payout? Worker messed up, admit it.

 

[epicnpcguy1]

Hello, I'm Stepper, an admin at Sports Island. I just want to shed light on some details to help enlighten moderators about the full picture.
To correct the alleged "took too long to lock" accusation, the slip u sent was locked in less than half a minute.
You tagged "Worker" @1:01:58 PM my time.
He took exactly 25 seconds to verify the odds on your slip and said "Gl locked" @1:02:23 PM my time.
And you acknowledged the lock by saying "Ty" @1:02:26 PM my time.
[I can provide proof of these timestamps if needed]
What happened is that after your slip lost, you deleted the slip post (proof shown above by Kluch), and edited the "All in" message to include an imgur.com image with a different slip (proof shown above by Kluch).
I'm surprised you still believe you can get a penny pursuing this report but good luck to you Maila.
If there is any inquiry, a source-of-debate or something that is unclear, please ask us.
Please refer to this gyazo image for reference:

Screenshot - f3046e5c4ea1aeb5ee6587cc3acbb808 - Gyazo

Mr stepper, you're missing the whole point, the lost slip was made at 1:00 on unibet, locked 1:02:23 as you mentioned. there's no way 2 live tennis games odds stayed stable 2 minutes and 23 seconds later.

 

[Stepper]

1) You posted a slip , he verified odds, and said GL; you agreed and said "TY". Whether he was driving or eating bananas that's not your concern.
2) I'm not trying to associate you with someone else, I know who you are, but this is not the topic of this report.
3) Sports confirm channel is an accessory, and it got removed to avoid customers getting harassed. It do not matter whether your bet was posted there or not because the channel itself is not visible to customers.
According to rule #11 in our rules section (which you agree to upon creating ticket), "Locked" , "GL" or "Goodluck" means your bet is already locked. It creates a contract between the customer and the host and all logs are in the ticket itself.
4) You are just rambling random accusations each from different side trying to throw a net in the ocean and see what fish you can catch, not gonna work. I showed my timestamps, and you showed the ability to try and scam by deleting messages and editing slips to contain new slips it's literally been proven up there.
You said it yourself, we take many bets on a daily business, we're not here trying to ruin our reputation to scam your 100$. Go win fair and square and then complain if you don't get paid.
From what I can tell, your second purpose of this report is to vent a little, hope it worked. GL with the decision, not gonna entertain this further.

 

[epicnpcguy1]

1) You posted a slip , he verified odds, and said GL; you agreed and said "TY". Whether he was driving or eating bananas that's not your concern.
2) I'm not trying to associate you with someone else, I know who you are, but this is not the topic of this report.
3) Sports confirm channel is an accessory, and it got removed to avoid customers getting harassed. It do not matter whether your bet was posted there or not because the channel itself is not visible to customers.
According to rule #11 in our rules section (which you agree to upon creating ticket), "Locked" , "GL" or "Goodluck" means your bet is already locked. It creates a contract between the customer and the host and all logs are in the ticket itself.
4) You are just rambling random accusations each from different side trying to throw a net in the ocean and see what fish you can catch, not gonna work. I showed my timestamps, and you showed the ability to try and scam by deleting messages and editing slips to contain new slips it's literally been proven up there.
You said it yourself, we take many bets on a daily business, we're not here trying to ruin our reputation to scam your 100$. Go win fair and square and then complain if you don't get paid.
From what I can tell, your second purpose of this report is to vent a little, hope it worked. GL with the decision, not gonna entertain this further.

1) He gl'd the new slip without noticing, I've mentioned 100 times that you're not scamming, and it's a misunderstanding, but I can't blame you for being illiterate. He didn't remake the slip on unibet, it's obvious that he screenshotted my slip and didnt verify odds.

2)Please refrain from tying me to other people, in hopes of swaying the admins.

3)Indeed, he locked the new slip without noticing, stop allowing your hosts to multi task. Sports confirm channel is far more than being an accessory, I can't believe an admin would say such thing. IT's the only way that actually proves if you're lying or not. Your owner said that it's not for hosts only, why would hosts need sports confirm channel if they already split between each other

4)Again, you're not scamming, you're just holding your opinion ignorantly. I know that you're legit but you and your boss seem like you're getting fired up, chill. It's not wrong to say that you're wrong.

Screenshot here's a good example from your boy aiden, on how to actually host properly.

Screenshot another example, weird how worker locked a slip on 1:02, made on 1:00.

 

[Stepper]

Hilarious dude.. First of all, your screenshots were one from mobile and 2nd from pc which i find funny to send 2 slips each from a platform in what you claim was "1 minute".. We literally have proof that your screenshots were editted with timestamps i really am surprised you call us illiterate when you are openly caught with a scam attempt and still pursuing.
The rest of what you said is useless rant, big words no meaning.
I apologize to the mods for the headache they are getting.

 

[epicnpcguy1]

Hilarious dude.. First of all, your screenshots were one from mobile and 2nd from pc which i find funny to send 2 slips each from a platform in what you claim was "1 minute".. We literally have proof that your screenshots were editted with timestamps i really am surprised you call us illiterate when you are openly caught with a scam attempt and still pursuing.
The rest of what you said is useless rant, big words no meaning.
I apologize to the mods for the headache they are getting.

This is the most ridiculous claims that I've ever seen, so I can't have PC and laptop open? Please stop "entertaining" like you said above. What's wrong? feeling the pressure?

 

[epicnpcguy1]

Hello, friendly reminder that I still got no response. Thank you!

 

@Kluch are you able to grant me access to review the ticket regarding this report?

 

I have reviewed the ticket/audit log regarding this report and I have confirmed the following;

• @epicnpcguy1 posted the original bet and followed up with the message "All in" at 5:01 AM;

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• @epicnpcguy1 proceeds to edit the message "All in" multiple times, to a screenshot of a different bet (after the original bet was locked in) at 5:12 AM, 5:13 AM, and 9:23 AM;

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• @epicnpcguy1 deleting the original bet;

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@Kluch thank you for the cooperation here.


@epicnpcguy1 I'm not sure if you grasp the concept of a discord server's audit log, but it is quite clear what occurred here. You have been issued a 1 month ban for attempting to scam along with a DNT.

Scamming: Scamming and any suspicious behavior including attempting to scam results in a temporary ban based on the severity of the offense and a DNT.

• This includes luring, or using Sythe as a means of finding other luring partners. However, luring done without the use of Sythe is fine.
• This includes impersonating other members of Sythe or other sites, both on-site and off-site.
• This includes name sniping.

 

User is also retaderly trying to impersonate staff for EpicNPC.

UID: 74405065938448384
https://www.epicnpc.com/threads/fake-epicnpc-admin-scam.2562651/