Where did [name here] go?

Someone remind me why Kaiban was banned?

 

I would say roughly in between 1 - 2 weeks his temp ban will be up.

 

You are a freak. Stop being so right.

 

So... Kaiban anyone?

 

http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?p=11335158

Karl's last post. where just un dude sayd he only used the bh dupe is not a lie. Just un dude did not know where my gold came from, it was from another dupe, the duel arena one. He did not lie about it not being duped, and he clearly just states he only did the crudicble one, which is right. He was selling my gold, not the gold that has been asking from the crudicble dupe, so this is another fact he did not lie about. I have not seen direct proof of just un dude lying about a direct question to him.

Proof that it is my gp:

No accounts that we sold to are locked/wiped, please give proof if this is the case.

I know i'm not allowed to dispute for him, but he has been a member for 7 years, and this is just insane very unfair, and the staff seems to be abusing their power imo.

Also, from karl hes post, i don't see where Just un is lying, and still you call him a lying ass.

 

A hacker/scammer got access to his account. How this happened, idk. I assume he just convinced him to give it to him. Idk what alias the hacker goes by though.

 

I'm not going to lie I kind of knew the gold was duped and I was messing around with him over the forums but just un did tell me before hand it was not crucible duped, and I never asked I assumed he bought it off someone and staked and decided to sell really cheap. He did tell me at some point he was duping gold but I wasn't the one who confronted him about it, I couldn't really care tbh my account wasn't locked/ reset/ banned so I have no reason to get him banned.

Many gold sellers sold duped gold and I'm sure none of them said it was duped even though they bought it from matkes off PA (crucible duper). A twc for a couple of months seemed reasonable but market/ perm banning is a little too harsh.

Its different if a member duped gold, sold it and got the account locked then decided not to repay, but we don't know that because none of the accounts were locked. He did lie to the community but there was no harm from the outcome, as for http://sythe.org/showpost.php?p=11310695&postcount=48 this the guy bought duped gold from several people including resales from the PA guy who's accounts were reset/ locked/ banned. He was heavily trading buying from several duped gold sellers/ resellers. Even though he lied he shouldn't be banned permanently.

Also I believe a few trusted members on here sold duped gold in the past BSGP, Piramid, Stui, and a few more people who first exploited the first dupe through crucible and faced no punishment either and all are fairly trusted. Also the original duper was left without any punishment and he easily netted more than Just un dude.

http://www.sythe.org/member.php?u=332718: http://puu.sh/V2qf

It's not right to punish someone for doing something which was allowed to be done a few months in the past where no rule was created, sure he lied but seriously who out of all the resellers was going to tell you it was duped gold before you bought it.

 

Well if that's what went on, I think an unban with a TWC or something like a Market ban is a bit more of a milder punishment. He still shouldn't have lied, though.

 

Just saying you lied to staff too but weren't banned, don't take it offensively.

 

I agree with you that ban is harsh. A twc would have been enough but the fact remains he knew he was selling roys duped gold.

Roys says " Just un dude did not know where my gold came from" which is BS. Look at there question regarding "Can we exchange irl vouches" and also how he bragged about "Him and roy doing the dupe".

So he was selling roys gold, knew the gold was duped (How doesnt matter, One way or the other it was duped), he reported every post that mentioned the world dupe and himself pointed out in caps and highlighted his gold was not made using the dupe as all his accounts were locked.

Most gold sellers that sell to the bulk buyers, have obtained there gold in a illegal way most likely (Scamming, hacking, ratting, xlogging, bug abusing, luring etc) but they never get questioned about so it slips under the rug. He however was asked out several times and he lied so people would buy his gold in bulk (He was selling 500m+) for a cheap price.

Now, had a newcomer done the same AFTER jagex releases there RSN for bug abusing, would anyone have bothered buying his gold regardless of price?

He clearly used his trust, and his background (being a staker) to get rid of his duped gold as he was on a race agaisnt the time and jagex, as i am sure jagex was tracking his trades and it was just a matter of time before they found out his acc using w/e transfer method they did.

Facts are out there. I can see both the admins side and his side. But admins job is to make sure the community stays intact and aswell as attempt to keep the users safe.

 

What part did he lie? Have not seen proof that somebody asked him if he was selling duped gold and he said no, only thing they asked was it if was from the crucible, and he said it wasnt. The gold was from me..

 

If you lie to staff, we have 110% right to perm ban over it if we feel the need to.

 

So just un dude is now perm banned from Sythe now? I thought he was just perm banned from the market...... with a TwC

 

what happened to SpecFirecapes?

 

Just adding http://www.sythe.org/showpost.php?p=11304408&postcount=2

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1446450

whether it was a couple of mils or bils the consequence was the same so then Apith lied as well and put the community at risk as well because the account the 7.5bil was going to be traded to would have been locked as well. Whether he lied or not its wrong to punish him further than anyone else who sold duped gold or attempted to sell duped gold and lied about it or didn't alert the buyer, they were still putting the community at risk.

 

nope, he's banned

http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?p=11332005

 

Both OMM's Pen and Rohail are banned? Wtf,!? surely their accounts may have been hacked or something??

 

As far as I'm concerned, he isn't banned for lying, hes banned for scamming.

scam - a fraudulent business scheme

If you ask me, duplicating RSGP which he knows is going to get wiped, and then trying to sell it quickly so he can get irl money before it gets wiped is scamming. He knew the gold was going to be wiped, and it is highly unethical for him to sell it.

If a buyer had come to him and asked to purchase duped gold from the crucilbe dupe, thats a different story, but I highly doubt anyone would want to buy something that is going to be taken from them in a matter of time.

TL;DR hes a scammer for trying to sell something other than he was advertising. Anyone who argues otherwise is either stupid or sticking up for their friend.

Good decision staff.

EDIT:

Punjabi: Just because no harm was (yet) doesn't mean that he shouldn't be punished. He tried to take money from people for something that was going to be taken from them moments later. A good example is if you lent me $1000, and instead of giving it back to you, I went and bet it at a casino. Whether I win or not, that doesn't change what I did. Simple.

 

Rohail :
http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1450702

Pen :
http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?p=11288547
http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1450455

 

The fact I'm arguing is why he is solely being targeted for selling duped gold. Everyone knew the consequences of buying/ selling the gold and marketeers were gladly buying the duped gold and reselling to undercut competition as fast as they could to avoid account locks.

So what is the difference between duping it yourself and telling people it wasn't duped and buying from a duper and telling people it isn't duped to resell at a higher price, both had the intention to move the gold ASAP and both knew the potential risks in selling the duped gold to their customers. It seems more like "I argued against staff and faced a more strict punishment"

Also the casino thing if you paid me back what would it matter whether you gambled with it or not if you are able to give my money back. I'm sure you've borrowed rsgp from a friend in the past to dice/ stake with, I know I personally have and whether I lost or won I still paid back the money.

I do see why it would be considerable to force a twc but I don't understand the need for a permanent ban.