Bullshit

You've never spoken to me.
Nor have you taken the time to even type out my bloody name.

Get your facts straight and leave this in the RaS where it belongs and is being worked on.

 

[KerokeroCola]

This is why we dont allow users to contribute while dealing with RaSc.

Let's listen to this statement. The staff are capable of handing this particular issue fairly, so we should just let them decide what is right in this one instance. I feel we've done our part in bringing forth attention to some details that apply to all account trades, but that's probably where our participation should end. There's no reason to let this one scam report cause a big huge flame war between folks...

 

I really don't care if you don't like my attitude or not. Honestly with mistakes like this happening more often, it just upsets me how it's all decided. It's just a usual trend of yours to change your mind whenever your name comes up if you've done something wrong.

Mind showing me examples?

 

In my opinion, a full refund should be issued. Yaroow stated that he was the original owner of the account (he was not) and should therefore be held entirely liable for the recovery.

I never did.

Close thread, remove comments this is a big batch of lies.

 

[ChristmasCracker]

In my opinion, a full refund should be issued. Yaroow stated that he was the original owner of the account (he was not) and should therefore be held entirely liable for the recovery.

Thank you. I do not see why the scam report has been open for so long, on such an obvious outcome/answer. Pay back or be banned. It's that fucking simple.
You sell something, and the person who bought it, doesn't have access to it anymore from a recovery not made by the buyer. You're at fault.

 

[Karl]

I'll number them from the "enter keys"
1. More opinions on a case, such as this, is better than 5. Yar wasn't going to have to pay back, but since I posted this, he may have to. As it's the fair thing to do.
2. Still, if it's a loss that Para is willing to take, Yar should then receive a TWC. As he sold an account that: A. He can't recover, and B. was recovered.
3. He lost 80m, and a very good name. He is pissed off.
4. He should have to pay it back, it's the right, and correct thing to do. My views on it, are obviously posted in the first post.
5. Yar bought the account off Turb. Yar then proceeded to sell it to another user. Then Turb had recovered it. Yar sold it under his name, as his own. Like I said, you can never really 100% secure an account that you buy, EVER.

1. Case wasnt closed, I understood that he was going to have to be either closed with a compromise or a full refund, I just stated my view.
2. From what I understand, the recovery system has changed.. there is no way to secure an account any longer, especially when emails are involved.
3. If i had lost a name, I'd try my hardest to get it back and not just sit there and lie to someone who was trying to help me
4. N/A
5. Then Para knew the risks in being an account that could never be secured, too.

 

[Karl]

Posting again, because thinking about it, the case is still open and not reviewable by someone who isnt involved. Especially when you're lacking information about said case.

Closed.

 

[OldFinn]

Lol'd. You changed your mind? That's real professional.

Lol? How immature?

Changing one's mind after consideration is not only professional but prudent and advised.

My personal stance on this issue is that Yaroow ought to refund the user in question.

 

I never did.

My mistake.

Still, if you are selling an account that you did not create (which isn't a good idea to begin with), then you assume all responsibility for it's possible recovery.

 

[netbug1]

I have been in buying/selling accounts for quite a few years, but i stopped last year. Let me just explain one situation of a particular account I bought:

- I bought the account.
- He went first (Let me do recovery test first)
- First 3 tests failed, 4th one worked.
- I had the account about 2 years.
- I had recovered it / unlocked it about 10 times within these 2 years to be sure the account was fine.
- When he recovered it, it was IMPOSSIBLE for me to recover.

This is how it works:

- I told jagex I moved home. So they thought i was the original owner.
- Once the original owner recovers, they realise i possibly hacked the original owner's information, and infact he never did move home. Therefore I won't ever be able to recover.

So now, Yaroow/Paranormal won't ever be able to recover it as the REAL owner has recovered.

Additionally, You should be liable for what you sell.

To Karl: Yaroow should know the risks of selling the account, just as you're saying paranormal knew the risks of buying it. It works both ways

 

[Karl]

To Karl: Yaroow should know the risks of selling the account, just as you're saying paranormal knew the risks of buying it. It works both ways

Hence why I know that Yaroow will have to pay for it, but I dont think it should be full price.

To note: x Paranormal x has failed to contact Yaroow since he submitted the Scam Report.

 

[netbug1]

Well I think Yarow / paranormal should at least talk before the mods even look at the report, they might even work something out.

 

http://sythe.org/showpost.php?p=9260531&postcount=15

I think that is more than fair for both of them.

This seems reasonable.

 

[Lym]

I think what CSkiffingt1 posted is reasonable.
Half of the thread is going into an argument, don't that's a good idea for people to see publicly.

My advice is to discuss this in Staff lounge and lock this thread before it goes any further into argument.

 

[Rsaccounttrader]

Lol? How immature?

Changing one's mind after consideration is not only professional but prudent and advised.

My personal stance on this issue is that Yaroow ought to refund the user in question.

Agreed. People who are afraid to change their mind, due to ramifications such as hhn's reaction, are weak leaders. I am impressed that you are so prepared to change your mind and meet the criticism with a cool head and in a professional manner.

From the limited amount I read of the spam report, I too agree that Yaroow should refund 100%, as it is a sythe.org policy.

 

I think what CSkiffingt1 posted is reasonable.
Half of the thread is going into an argument, don't that's a good idea for people to see publicly.

My advice is to discuss this in Staff lounge and lock this thread before it goes any further into argument.

Posting again, because thinking about it, the case is still open and not reviewable by someone who isnt involved. Especially when you're lacking information about said case.

Closed.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Corey]

I think what CSkiffingt1 posted is reasonable.
Half of the thread is going into an argument, don't that's a good idea for people to see publicly.

My advice is to discuss this in Staff lounge and lock this thread before it goes any further into argument.

It is reasonable. While rules are set, some should be taken on a case by case basis, and in this case, the buyer admits to not taking ANY security precautions.

While I would usually agree that the seller is always 100% responsible for what he sells, this case is different, as stated above, the buyer took 0 security precautions and thus it shouldn't be 100% the sellers problem.

Not to mention, it isn't even proven that the original owner even recovered it, or if it was recovered in the first place and not phished/keylogged.

 

This thread is garnering unnecessary hostility towards Yaroow. The scam report in question has been dealt with. Closed.