TWC Level System

I created a system in a way where levels differentiate the condition of the TWC registration. My reason for doing this is simple. The rank is given out too easily, and it's treated the same for every case, even for mild instances. This harms those who unintentionally acted suspicious enough to get the rank, and gave moderate to severe offenders ways to diminish and undermine the rank by association.

With a system in place, it takes away the ambiguity of appeal cases. No more "I think you should hold on to the rank a bit longer.". It keeps things in order. Discretion of staff is still there with applying the rank, and the decision of removing it.

Well how would you implement this? This can easily be in place and enforced without coding, however I think a simple section in the users profile under forum info should suffice for notifying others what level the users TWC is. All staff members should be able to modify this section.


Level System:

• Level 1 Mild
• Level 2 Moderate
• Level 3 Severe

Here are the restricted times for appeal:

• Level 1 - 2 Weeks
• Level 2 - 1 Month
• Level 3 - 2 Months

Description of each level:

Level 1 - For probable unintentional acts of suspicion / precautionary (After 2 weeks of obtaining the rank, they would be able to appeal it normally)
Level 2 - For intentional acts of suspicion (After 1 month of obtaining the rank, they would be able to appeal it normally)
Level 3 - For repeat lvl 2 offenders (After 2 months of obtaining the rank, they would be able to appeal it normally)

There should be a 2 week delay of re-appealing if it fails.

What would happen to users who already have the rank? These rules should apply to newly given ranks after implementation of the system if approved.

This is a mock up I created for the system. Changes can be made without my approval. If anyone has any ideas to make the system more consistent, post below.

Actually I support this to be honest with you because I feel like some may be honest makes versus actually sketchy trading.

I strongly support this!
But for
'' Level 1 - 2 Weeks
Level 2 - 1 Month
Level 3 - 2 Months''
I suggest it changes to
Level 1 - 3 Weeks
Level 2 - 7 Weeks
Level 3 - 10 Weeks

No support. TWC are removed if we deem someone is abit trustworthy, I honestly doubt something like 'expiring' twc will be introduced

I think this could be useful, then link the TWC to it's report. However, I don't like the fact that it just kind of degrades away after a certain time period. Or are you saying that after 2 weeks, they can appeal?

Support if there is the timed appeal process.

Zuzel111 said:

No support. TWC are removed if we deem someone is abit trustworthy, I honestly doubt something like 'expiring' twc will be introduced

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I am not sure it's a expiring twc as much as like timeline for being able to dispute it. Which I definitely think based on offenses there should be timeline to dispute one just like a ban basically.

concerning normal sythe members...

I dont think we should have multiple ranks for TWC. TWC means the same thing on every case anyways - TRADE WITH CAUTION. if we create levels.. The message wont be the same for the users. It will be like : oh this user has a Trade with Caution. So I have to be careful... But wait! Hes the lowest level of TWC s idk. I have to trade with caution but not as much than a user with a TWC level 2. -> No. its just too much for the user;I wouldnt want to see that. I would suggest we just have TWC with a link to the report so the users can judge for themselves.

concerning mods + TWC member..

Now, you created this for the mods I believe? Well It should be only visible to the mods because the situation above will happen. I dont think that we should have specific time for TWC. When the user proves he shouldnt have a TWC, THEN, we will remove it. If we set like 4 weeks or something.. The user will do nothing for 4 weeks, come back and say h well I had a big time with this TWC for 4 weeks, I should be able to be traded normally now.

I feel like The person with the TWC wont give that much effort to get it remove if we implement this and we tell them the approximate time the TWC will be there.

*however, if we hide the time from themembers and it is ONLY visible to mods. This suggestion would be kinda ok for me. The user dont know the time so he will still be doing an effort to have the TWC off. - but it would influence the mods decision on keep it or not so I dont think I wanna see this but I wouldnt mind.


Thats my opinion

Nope nope nope.

People already try and make their TWC sound as innocent as possible to get people to trade with them. If you act sketchy a little bit, you're the same as any other person acting sketchy. Just like someone who scams a little bit is the same as someone who scams bank.

Tldr nope.

No support

Ambiguity in cases is needed. People get TWCs for various reasons and staff uses their judgement on whether a TWC is warranted and when to remove it. I'm not sure what the current system for requesting removal is, but I would set a time for when they're allowed to request their first removal (there may already be one, I'm not sure.)

I'm not for making extra work for staff when they already have enough to take care of. Don't be sketchy and don't get a TWC, it's not super difficult.

THERSG0D said:

concerning normal sythe members...

I dont think we should have multiple ranks for TWC. TWC means the same thing on every case anyways - TRADE WITH CAUTION. if we create levels.. The message wont be the same for the users. It will be like : oh this user has a Trade with Caution. So I have to be careful... But wait! Hes the lowest level of TWC s idk. I have to trade with caution but not as much than a user with a TWC level 2. -> No. its just too much for the user;I wouldnt want to see that. I would suggest we just have TWC with a link to the report so the users can judge for themselves.

concerning mods + TWC member..

Now, you created this for the mods I believe? Well It should be only visible to the mods because the situation above will happen. I dont think that we should have specific time for TWC. When the user proves he shouldnt have a TWC, THEN, we will remove it. If we set like 4 weeks or something.. The user will do nothing for 4 weeks, come back and say h well I had a big time with this TWC for 4 weeks, I should be able to be traded normally now.

I feel like The person with the TWC wont give that much effort to get it remove if we implement this and we tell them the approximate time the TWC will be there.

*however, if we hide the time from themembers and it is ONLY visible to mods. This suggestion would be kinda ok for me. The user dont know the time so he will still be doing an effort to have the TWC off. - but it would influence the mods decision on keep it or not so I dont think I wanna see this but I wouldnt mind.


Thats my opinion

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There are not gonna be multiple ranks. It's going to be a single rank, but upon registration they deem what level it is and modify the user profile to match. Like I said to Zuzel, I can't think of a situation on the spot where a level 1 would be given out. Regarding level 2+, they wait for time restrictions to expire to appeal, not to request removal.

Zuzel111 said:

No support. TWC are removed if we deem someone is abit trustworthy, I honestly doubt something like 'expiring' twc will be introduced

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I don't see a level 1 twc being given out as often as you think. Again, it's at the staffs discretion to deem what level is appropriate for each case. I can't think of a situation where it would be given out (that should tell you how rare the application of it would/should be).

Roary said:

Nope nope nope.

People already try and make their TWC sound as innocent as possible to get people to trade with them. If you act sketchy a little bit, you're the same as any other person acting sketchy. Just like someone who scams a little bit is the same as someone who scams bank.

Tldr nope.

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Scamming is scamming no matter the amount, so the comparison is not congruent. There are different interpretations of what is considered sketchy, some more obvious than others. That's what I was going with here.

I appreciate all the replies. The system sounds good and fair to me, especially since staff would be the ones deeming what level is given out.

Tmoe said:

No support

Ambiguity in cases is needed. People get TWCs for various reasons and staff uses their judgement on whether a TWC is warranted and when to remove it. I'm not sure what the current system for requesting removal is, but I would set a time for when they're allowed to request their first removal (there may already be one, I'm not sure.)

I'm not for making extra work for staff when they already have enough to take care of. Don't be sketchy and don't get a TWC, it's not super difficult.

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I think you misunderstand. The time restriction is for appeals, other than a level 1 which like I said, would rarely be given out. The only situation that it would be given out in is if the user would normally be cleared, but there is still some suspicion that lies.

If it's not going to be a thing, then it wont. I just think this intimidates users from acting sketchy after already having a level 2, and keeps things organized for everyone.

Zuzel111 said:

No support. TWC are removed if we deem someone is abit trustworthy, I honestly doubt something like 'expiring' twc will be introduced

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He never suggested an expiring twc. Just one that had a minimum amount of time served before a dispute can be opened.

Heeatz said:

He never suggested an expiring twc. Just one that had a minimum amount of time served before a dispute can be opened.

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I actually did. Apologies for the confusion. Since everyone disagrees with the expiring twc, I will change it to a dispute instead.

Just keep the system as it is

Roary said:

Nope nope nope.

People already try and make their TWC sound as innocent as possible to get people to trade with them. If you act sketchy a little bit, you're the same as any other person acting sketchy. Just like someone who scams a little bit is the same as someone who scams bank.

Tldr nope.

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This. I don't agree with our current twc system but I don't think this suggestion would help much

I think this is a good idea, often trade with cautions are handed out for moderate things, and I don't think they should go with the same connotation as people who are proven to be or alleged scammers or blackhat.

At this point it's impossible to convince staff on internal system changes. I could revamp this 5 times in different ways for better consistency, but the odds of swaying them are close to none. Eh, at least it's still a good suggestion.

-1 support, really complicates the system for new users to interpret. Also hard for admins to distinguish which rank to give and they are always quite busy with their jobs.

It would just cause more complications than benefits.

I am looking in to whether a TWC reason profile field would be feasible or not.

Seems like a good idea to me +1 Support