To everyone against legalizing marijuana...

What he means i that 0 deaths means 0 overdoses. You can't overdose on marijuana its just not possible you would have to smoke you body wait in it in 20 minutes or something to overdose so Gl doing that.

 

First of all you can't even type correctly.
Second, learn to read.
Third, I love how ignorant you are.

You come in here saying pot heads are a bunch of ignorant 14 year olds when you're the only ignorant one. Its direct use smart ass. Driving while you're high only proves the person who smoked is stupid. Its the users fault if he is injured or injures someone while driving high.

Just a note to any users coming in here. Don't post if all you know is your opinion. You needs facts and experience. Otherwise you're making it an open invitation to prove your ignorance.

 

Driving under the influence is against the law, for anything. Bringing it up doesn't make sense since it's a bad idea for any drug, and can result in fatality for any drug.

Although I'm sure that is a number you pulled out of your ass.

 

Many more people die from drinking alcohol and driving than smoking and driving. If anything, people who smoke while driving go like 5 mph..

 

still not a direct use, if you're stupid enough to drive while under the influence of anything then Natural selection is working at its best.

 

I'm convinced that Marijuana offers a better medical treatment then THC but are the risks of addiction and its affect on the body really worth considering marijuana as a medical treatment?

 

Even though I've smoked pot plenty of times before and enjoyed it, I do not believe that marijuana should be legalized because I'm not going to sugar coat it, but I become one seriously lazy unmotivated kid going nowhere.

 

It is really up to the patient to decide what they consider 'worth it'.

But they may want to take in account the fact that only 1% of marijuana users use it daily, and EVEN LESS than 1% have developed an actual dependence on it. The higher statistics that people are told in health classes, etc. usually take into account of people that are in rehab. I.E. "There is y% of people in rehab for marijuana so let's say they're all addicted as well." While most of these people are there because they were told to do so, or as defendants (you're offered a hefty fine or jail time vs. going to rehab). It is addictive, yes... but not nearly as addictive as people think it to be... and if you don't already know there is no chemical within marijuana that causes addiction. You keep doing something until your body/ mind becomes dependent on it, and then you can't function without it... this applies to pretty much anything.

I would compare marijuana, possibly, to coffee. As medical patients would need it to ease there pain/ medicate, as often as your morning worker would need their daily coffee to wake up and get going throughout the day. And you might gain a slight dependence, but nothing uncontrollable... again LESS THAN 1% of people use marijuana daily and within that statistic barely any of them have a dependence on it. I can't ever see caffeine being made illegal for its addictive properties...

As for the effects on a person's body, I would say it's definitely worth it. Unlike cigarette smoke, marijuana smoke doesn't cause Emphysema and there has been not ONE report of lung cancer being contracted solely from smoking marijuana. It's more major effects on the brain, as we all know, only pertain to the time of the high... of course as someone had brought up earlier, it can slow down ATPase production (correct me if I'm wrong) which in turn leads to slower brain cell production, but even after long-term use marijuana hasn't been known to cause any real mental harm. I actually know plenty of people over the age of 50 and 60 and around my age that have used it regularly their whole lives (and still do haha) and they are actually very intelligent people who actually provide some nice conversation. I myself who use it fairly often (actually just got off a t-break) have only watched myself improve over the years (knowledge is power), rather than become stupid and obtain that lazy and stupid pot-head persona that people think is caused by marijuana, rather than their poorer choices in life.

Here's an old page that gives you a lot of information about the myths of marijuana:

http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/#psych

Some of this is outdated stuff, but it gives you the main point.
It isn't as bad as we're taught it to be.

 

First, I' am on the internet and I couldn't care what a degenerate like you thinks about my typing as I don't really care what you think.
Second, You are the greatest troll ever congratulations bro. My reading abilities are just fine.
Third, go look up the definition of ignorance.

Back on topic. Because of the serious physical and psychological effects associated with its use, Despite the fact that it is widely available, and even “accepted” in some families and communities, marijuana remains a legally restricted harmful drug. It’s main ingredient is THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol), a mind-altering chemical. Marijuana produced today has a level of THC that is up to 25 times higher than the type sold in the 1960s. And depending on how it is “cut”, it can contain hundreds of other harmful chemicals, many of which are carcinogenic.

Long-term marijuana abusers trying to quit report irritability, sleeplessness, decreased appetite, anxiety, and drug craving, all of which make it difficult to quit. These withdrawal symptoms begin within about 1 day following abstinence, peak at 2-3 days, and subside within 1 or 2 weeks following drug cessation.

It is classified in the same way as Meth, and many other lethal substances.


Oh, and just so you don't be trolling you can start a sentence with because".

INFRACTED

 

haha. this makes me laugh. you know what is funny? More people die driving under NO influence than they do under the influence of marijuana. Who is to say then that marijuana makes the driver drive bad? maybe it is the driver that makes marijuana look bad...

even if someone has a valid argument opposing the legalization of marijuana, it is not strong enough to justify the fact that things like alcohol, caffein, etc are legal and cannabis is not.

 

Lol. Straight to flaming. Nice. I know what ignorance is, why do you think I called you ignorant? Hows that for a troll.

No but seriously, you came in here calling those who support legalization of marijuana "ignorant 14 year olds". What did you expect after such a offensive remark?

You connected some idiots smoking weed then driving as being a bad effect of weed. When obviously you made the wrong correlation as to what was the cause there. Now you come in with some info you just read about. Marijuana isn't classified as it should be, that's simply because of the government. So its place next to meth means nothing.

As to the withdrawals, may I see your source? I'm sure this is either a small percentage that it happens to or a unreliable source. Especially if compared to cigarette smokers who try quitting.

 

U R T3h pr035t tr0ll 3va!

Back on topic, sorry felt the need to speak "1337". Actually I called everyone ignorant 14 year olds but whatever.

I love how everyone blames the government like its some sort of conspiracy.

Ill add more tomorrow CBA tonight.


Infracted.

 

"this is absolutely ridiculous, I love how pot heads think there's nothing wrong with their drugs, bunch of ignorant 14 year olds IMO."

Pretty specific here I'd say.

No, its just that the government has had a history against marijuana even though the facts point out theres more positives than negatives especially compared to cigarettes and alcohol but the difference is government supports those only because off the direct government tax on it.

 

I will not lie to you, my friend. I am a very very strong/firm supporter of marijuana legalization. But I cannot lie and tell you that these withdrawal symptoms do not exist. In fact, i have experienced them myself. Please do not take this the wrong way. We are on the same side. I must support the truth though. The thing is, even though they exist, and this is a valid argument, it is by no means grounds for it to remain illegal. especially when we have things MUCH MUCH worse that are legal and have even worse withdrawal symptoms (tobacco, medications, caffein, alcohol, the list goes on..). making marijuana illegal is still, by no means, justified.

 

You are arguing natural selection and factoring in man made machines? No it simply does not work that way sir.

 

I believe they may be real but I wanted numbers. Most arguments against weeds so far don't list the entire facts. If they posted the numbers people would see if its actually something to be concerned about or not.

I believe he just meant to point out the stupidity of those users, not really taking in natural selection.

 

I'd like to see your sources that say that Marijuana is more potent today than it was back then, because I can tell you right now that idea has been shrugged off ages ago... the samples of marijuana during the 60's were only low-end samples, and there weren't enough taken to properly represent that era. Try comparing 80's marijuana (properly recorded potency) to today, and you'll see barely any difference in potency. Secondly, what does potency at all have to do with health? Nothing, in my opinion it even helps... The more potent marijuana is, the less you will need to medicate or achieve your high which in turn saves marijuana, so on and so forth.

By having a larger percentage of THC in marijuana, all that happens to the user is that he/she will have more of a high, there ARE NO MORE EFFECTS ACHIEVED through higher amounts of THC. The effects are only amplified, which again, can be a good thing.

When trimming weed, all one is doing is removing as many of the leaves as possible, etc. etc. YES, there a lot of chemicals within marijuana, but the way it is trimmed will not have a major effect on how healthy it is.

There are new methods of using marijuana that doesn't make the user intake those other chemicals; called vaporization. Look it up because I'm tired of explaining. I love my vape and I stand by it's side while it crushes any argument thrown at marijuana. Besides, some of those 'carcinogenic' chemicals actually have some desirable medical properties as well.

As for those who are addicted, I hope you realize that the people you are talking about that are "irritable, sleepless, etc. etc." only include a fraction of a percent of people, 99% of users don't use everyday. As for those who do, only a percentage also have developed a dependence on marijuana and experience those effects. (Which are also the effects of many other different withdrawals including caffeine, etc.)

I'm not going to ask what you were hoping to prove by saying, "It is classified in the same way as Meth, and many other lethal substances." Because that just shows me that you're completely ignorant, and need to do a little more research rather than just telling us what you learned while listening to your 8th grade health teacher.

Why are you in the SFA forums? This is a place for intellectual arguments, as well as a place to learn... not somewhere to act like an idiot as you have been...

I'm sorry to hear that, but I'd like to tell you that isn't usual. Barely anyone experiences withdrawal symptoms and as I've said before, smaller than 1% of users have actually developed a dependence on it (look it up :]) IT IS possible to experience withdrawal from long-term use and dependence but it isn't likely happen to most users.

You're completely correct when you say that a lot of things have worse withdrawal symptoms and addiction shouldn't be a reason for marijuana to be illegal... but it is; so activists, etc. still need to argue about it. >_<

 

Also to support legalization i will add this:

i did, in fact use it longterm, and ALOT of it lol. The great part is, after 2 years of consistent use (like 3 times almost every day), the worst thing that happened when i stopped was that i had a little trouble sleeping for a couple days and i didnt have as active of an appetite. These symptoms lasted for only a couple of days....nearly harmless considering the amount/consistency at which i consumed it...

 

Weed is about as addictive as your basic ibuprofren. Any addiction is a MENTAL addiction. Smoking marijuana is simply a routine, and if you break it, it will feel wierd. If you liked it, you will mentally crave it. There is basically NO PHYSICAL addiction to marijuana.

I would in no way object to legalizing marijuana but I think you could come up with arguments for making it illegal. Personally overtime it made me lazy and not give a shit about anything, but that is because I chose to. I love weed, but on a responsible note I am undecided on the subject of legalization, even thought I would love it.

 

For future reference.

Don't ever act like this guy:


And instead, actually provide legitimate arguments rather than flame.

@whippa craka
Why are you undecided on the subject of legalization? Maybe I can clear up any misconceptions or problems you may have with marijuana?