Regarding Legacy Combat (So Called Pre-eoc)

in response to this thread ; http://www.sythe.org/runescape-3-general/1676639-pre-eoc-legacy-mode-coming-back.html

Disclaimer;
I'm not bashing on this idea, or stating not to vote. But DON'T go around stating it's pre-eoc when they stated it isn't.


"Legacy Combat" or as people are trying to call it "Pre-eoc"
Let's cut through the bullshit, it's not Pre-eoc. Let's show why.

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Poll - Legacy Combat

We want players to use Evolution of Combat because they want to, not because they have to. Last week, we announced some big upgrades to Evolution of Combat, which I’m confident will really improve the system. But we’re also planning to offer an alternative for players who just can’t get on with EoC and instead want old combat.

Today we’re launching a poll for a Legacy Mode which would bring back the majority of the old combat gameplay and interfaces, in the modern game alongside EoC. The poll starts today and players have the next two weeks to vote on whether we should start developing Legacy Mode.

Log into the game to vote, or read on to find out more details.

Why now?

Power to the Players isn’t just a slogan; it’s our new ethos. It’s about the community having a voice, and it’s about us delivering what you want.

In the New Year, we announced in-game weekly content polls and the response was amazingly positive. However, one issue kept cropping up: you want the power to choose which combat system you have in the game. We’ve listened. We’re going to do something about it. I’m sorry it’s taken this long.

In all honesty we’d struggled to find a solution which could bring back the old combat gameplay in a way which didn’t affect those who do like EoC. We needed a solution that wouldn’t split the community and was also technically viable for us to support well into the future. But as we saw that there was still a widespread demand for the old combat gameplay, we knew we had to find a way. I’m confident we’ve found it.

What is Legacy Mode?

That solution is to create a Legacy Mode which re-creates the old combat gameplay, inside the modern game, alongside EoC. This means both the old and the new combat systems would co-exist within the same game, and you’d be able to freely switch between them.

Turning on Legacy Mode will change your gameplay to be like the old combat system, circa 2012. This includes things like special attacks, no action bar, no abilities and type-to-chat. It will have the old interface layout, with combat info and buttons around the mini map, with the old side-panels in the lower right, plus an option for the old fixed-window interface layout. It will not be limited by membership status, world location or server type, and in most cases players of each system will be able to play side by side.

There will need to a be few differences to make it compatible (and competitive) with current game, including dual wielding weapons, modern gear and inheriting the combat triangle rebalance which improved Ranged and Magic combat. There are certain features, like the old '138' combat level formula, which have an impact beyond just Legacy Mode, for which we’d need to work with the community to find a solution. That said, our aim is to make it look and play as close to the old system as possible.

How will it be made?

This is an ambitious vision, and we don’t have all of the details worked out yet. This is where you come in - we’ll need the guidance of the community to make sure Legacy Mode delivers the old style of combat you’re after. If the Legacy Mode poll succeeds, we’ll start to develop this feature in collaboration with you, publishing our work-in-progress code to the beta servers, using forum input to get your requirements and running beta polls to measure whether the various elements are meeting your expectations. As with the current Combat Improvements beta, access will be open to free players.

Should the Legacy Mode poll succeed, we would work on it in parallel with the already announced Combat Improvements for EoC. I expect it would take at least a couple of months to have Legacy Mode ready for beta, by which time the features in the current Combat Improvements beta will mostly have been finished and launched.

This is obviously quite a lot of work, and would need at least a couple of developers focused on creating Legacy Mode over a number of months. That’s why we’re doing a poll before we start, and we'll poll again to make sure you’re happy Legacy Mode is ready for the live game.

How can I get involved?

I’m sure you’ll have a lot of questions about how this will work. We’ll try our best to answer them on the forums and in the FAQ, but there’s going to be some stuff we won’t know until we get further into development, at which point we’ll need to work with you to make the right choices.

If you’d like to read more about how we reached the decision to bring back the old combat system, and what alternatives were considered, please check out my Legacy Mode dev blog, as well as Mod Mark's Og Blog on Old vs New Combat.

Thanks for reading,

Let's go in detail of why people shouldn't get their hopes up.

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That solution is to create a Legacy Mode which re-creates the old combat gameplay, inside the modern game, alongside EoC. This means both the old and the new combat systems would co-exist within the same game, and you’d be able to freely switch between them.

In the third paragraph Mod Pips states that this "old combat" is going to be alongside eoc. By stating this, two things are obvious. Firstly is that the hitpoints will be of the current armours, meaning that hp can be boosted up to 9000. This has to be this way in order to work alongside eoc. Imagine pvming, one guy has eoc layout with 9000hp and the other person with legacy layout at 990 hp, It's impossible. Second of all, the combat is basically going to be like the current ability "momentum" which does abilities without the user needing to click.

He states that there will be an old looking interface (which can be already chosen on eoc just with the addition of an ability bar),no ability bar/abilities (which one can use momentum and afk) and ofcourse special weapons (which are already on the beta for eoc, meaning it's already going to be part of for eoc players.)Now another issue is that special attacks won't work if eoc players are going to fight legacy mode players. Legacy mode players spec regenerates 25% every 30 seconds (or that how it was pre-eoc) while eoc players can use a spec every 50% ability bar, which takes 3 seconds to get.

Also, everyone is forgetting that everyone will have to be a main, meaning all the pure/zerk/etc community won't return because they will all have the same combat stats as mains.

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here are certain features, like the old '138' combat level formula, which have an impact beyond just Legacy Mode, for which we’d need to work with the community to find a solution. That said, our aim is to make it look and play as close to the old system as possible.

He states here that they need the community's help in order to figure out this problem, which the only solution is either to go back to the lvl 138 combat formula or stick with the level 200. They can't have both. If they have both it will be a complete fuck up, because lvl 138 (absolute max) in legacy mode could fight lvl 138s in eoc mode (which is basically 70 str+70def.) which doesn't make sense at all since the whole point of eoc was to make players equal stats in pvp.

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This is obviously quite a lot of work, and would need at least a couple of developers focused on creating Legacy Mode over a number of months. That’s why we’re doing a poll before we start, and we'll poll again to make sure you’re happy Legacy Mode is ready for the live game.

Also, everyone is getting all "happy" about this "pre-eoc with eoc" combat ignoring the fact that it's going to take months. Literally meaning the first beta for it will probably be out in summer and may complete flop.(same as when they announced eoc.)

 

its going to be pre Eoc, with a fail version of Eoc, defence reqs will be the same and pures are useless.

 

It can't be "pre-eoc" whilst having eoc.

 

I assume theirs going to be no "Pre-Eoc" either because what would be the point of them doing this update ?

I cannot wait for this I'll start playing Runescape like I use too again.

 

jagex never called it pre-eoc.
jagex called it legacy combat which will make eoc look like old combat.

The retarded players that can't read labelled it "pre-eoc".
enjoy playing eoc.

 

aslong as their is special attacks im satisfied been dying to use D-claws !!

 

special attacks are already being introduced into eoc, hence the current beta.
;fp;

 

Not sure if I understand but are you upset that people are calling it pre eoc?
I think you're getting too technical and think everyone that says pre eoc doesnt know there will be adjustments (which everyone who has at least visited the news section would know)

And since jagex said there will be changes so pre eoc can be up to par with eoc it's obvious some issues you stated will be thought out

I have some faith in jagex to not be stupid enough to make legacy and then later realize there was momentum/revolution already there and the only difference being the interface. Also if its just the interface wouldnt it be easier to maybe take the new interface and let players customize it with different skins (07+ styles) along with adjusting where you want your things?

Its basically a wait and see. Seems like not even jagex is sure how legacy is going to end up so the best choice is to vote yes and then try it out. If it works then great. If not stick to eoc

 

Yes.
Because it's false acknowledgement stating it's pre-eoc when it isn't.
Don't get me wrong, I prefer the real pre-eoc over eoc anyday, but people are going around stating that "pre-eoc" is coming back when it isn't.

I wish jagex aren't stupid enough to make it another version of using momentum, but then again it's Jagex. It's the same company that decided to release eoc even though nobody wanted it, same company that said they will remove squeel of fortune which ended up being replaced by treasure hunter, meaning buy keys instead of buying spins.

I wish that this would be exactly like pre-eoc, but the fact that they stated it themselves that it's going to be integrated with eoc just killed my hopes for it.

edit; I do agree it's basically wait and see, and i also agree that people should vote yes even if they won't play it in order to see how it will be. But i don't support the fact that people are calling it pre-eoc when it will have eoc integrated in it.

 

Thank you, yep. I won't play this, as it's just the same as eoc but with a little older combat... and as one guy on the forum called it, eoc dressed up as "pre-eoc" but It makes me sad jagex are fooling people with this crap. getting peoples hopes up for something that is just as boring as eoc.

 

No shit lol... people arent hyped because 2012 rs is coming back, they're hyped because they wont have to use abilities and a stupid interface any more.

Anything is better than EoC.

 

I just hope 07 gold prices don't crash cause of this gay bullshit

 

if it's like momentum on eoc (which basically does abilities for you) it's far off pre-eoc.
not even close to being the same.

 

theyre not gonna put dev time in to whatd be essentially an ability, use your brain

 

funbox we haven't agreed in the past on things, but I one hundred percent agree with you on all fronts here. I don't think the players are fully to blame for calling it Pre-EoC though, as Jagex has had a fair amount of blatant false advertising like "Vote to bring old combat back!" etc etc.

But I wholly agree with you.

 

Yo, like cool out. We get it. it's legacy mode not pre-eoc. I know this. I've known it. I get your trying to inform people that it is certainly not pre-eoc.

But..dude.. we get it.

 

I think it's too far gone, it's not even the horrible interface and abilities, the game has become to easy now, like when I scape on rs3 I used to go to bandos, max gear, then literally afk while I played on my gamecube or something, check loot, didn't need to even recharge prayer lol.

I don't think it matters where the combat system goes, it wont be pre eoc and it wont be eoc, something new and different that wont make any difference anyway lol.

 

I agree that it won't be pre-eoc... or maybe not even that close... but I do still look forward to playing on an older interface

 

At least this is a little bit of hope for me, even if it was just nothing else but an interface change and a buff to momentum I'd probably be happy with it. There is always the possibility though that people prefer this and there are more polls that move to revert things back to a more pre-eoc type of system.

 

Exactly! I'm happier about the interface tbh.