Bleuskittle requesting a pardon for Oakdice situation

Your profile link: http://www.sythe.org/members/293105-bleuskittle.html

Report/post/reason that got you banned: No visible thread, was only discussed in SL, Rule regarding my ban is below:

Blade said:

If a user commits any unconscionable act not explicitly in the rules, or has repeatedly broken rules, the staff reserves the right to punish the user in any way.

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Proof of contacting victims for repayment or repayment of victims: N/A

Anything you weren't banned for but want to confess to now: N/A

Detailed description of the events that took place and why you think we should forgive you:

Hello again, I have not received a definitive answer for my ban reason But I'll attempt to bring all information to light, if there is something I have missed please let me know and i"ll clarify it.

Oakdice is a runescape player who uses Sythe.org, he has an image outside of Sythe through Streaming on Twitch and his youtube videos. Because I assume of his PR purposes, he claims to have not ever engaged in any real world trading. (despite being banned for it multiple times)Because of his disposition and denial of the subject he gets a lot of questions and hatred regarding the subject in sythe.org's spam forum. Now generally when something like this happens with a person of that stature, they ignore it and move on. while Oakdice insisted on "Feeding the trolls" Because of his repeated denial of the subject and his attitude on the subject I told him to stop "feeding the trolls" or I would publicly post public information that showed the involvement of him real world trading.


I submitted a post (which is not deleted) to reddit on a throwaway account outlined the proof that I had found on sythe of Oakdice previously Real world trading. All of the evidence that I submitted had been at minimum 1-2 years old.The day after the Reddit post was posted Oakdice's DMM account (Ban Oakdice) was banned. my post could have prompted a jagex member to audit Oakdice's new account and have it banned for not following rules. I would like to formally apologize to Oakdice, because that was not my original intent at all.

The resulting situation led to my ban on Sythe via staff agreement in the staff lounge for the incidents that occurred. I'm under the assumption that I was banned for posting evidence that Oakdice did not follow Jagex's rules regarding RWT'ing off site. I feel bad about this and can assure that it will not happen again and apologize to Oakdice for the result of the situation.




I'm not a danger to sythe.org by any means. Below I will show notable achievements made throughout my sythe career.

• Over $3000 middle manned with $1300 being held at a single time, made an in depth guide on middle manning so sythe users can remain safe.
• Achieved Sythe.org Bond holder, Was one of the bond holders who was publicly known for not being in it for profit, but to help out the website as a whole.
• Over 300 vouches in my sythe career
• Invested large amounts of time into the CDT section even before becoming a member, and wrote up the sythe.org previous events thread.

Even regarding above, I do note that my emotions get the best of me sometimes and can assure the staff that this will not be an issue in the future.



Did you fully read and follow this sticky thread in the pardon section?: to the best of my ability, yes

Support, you did something dumb, we all have before. I don't think you'll ever take joking/trolling this far ever again.

Based on your attitude and clear inability to claim responsibility for your actions, I'm not supporting. You need some time to rethink your morals.

If your intentions weren't to get him banned, why did you do what you did? You purposely went on a heavily supervised channel in an attempt to ruin his business. It doesn't make sense to out him regardless of what he claims to do or not do when you do the same.

Blade said:

I think you realize that you're on thin ice, but I don't think you'd be a huge threat in returning to the site.
Stay out of the spam forum.

Don't be a twat. That may sound insulting, but it's the best way I can currently think to relay my actual thoughts on the matter. Think of others, not yourself when you decide on an action that may adversely affect the lives of others.

Support.

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This sums up my feelings entirely

Support.

You were a complete idiot for doing what you did. I hope that you don't repeat such a stunt ever. I really want to support this pardon bleu, and I might change my vote to that eventually, but I really feel that you should have waited a bit longer before pardoning. I would have appreciated you reaching out to Oak to apologize to him in private and clear the air before posting your pardon. You definitely need to do that before I would feel comfortable voting yes to this.

Something that was brought to my attention by Oak. Oak's account apparently had 30m DMM on it. If Oak can prove this, and prove that Bleu was the sole reason for his ban, then some refunds might be in order on top of this pardon.

I was going to suggest that, any damages that can be proved should be repaid.

Oakdice said:

Dave said:

Oakdice said:

He got me banned for 30m dead man and i have proof, if he gets pardoned am i able to claim damages??

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Send me the proof please, I'll discuss with staff - it has to be complete proof that he's the exact reason you were banned

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Proof i was banned for rwt on december 8th :

https://gyazo.com/51fb0d40b2ee29f7e749a62c3dd81baa

Proof 3 Hours or so after his reddit post that got alot of attention i was banned on "ban oakdice" account (He was saying in his evidence that b00m78 was me)

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/3vwcfe/proof_that_oakdice_rwts/

Here is tweet of me on december 6th 2 days before ban of me spending 30m dead man on items

https://twitter.com/Oakdice/status/673675957941747712

It is very upsetting how he can do this to me right before i was going to stream on twitch with this account i worked so hard for...it had desert treasure, fire cape and much more, i suffer from high anxiety and when he did this to me only made things worse for me.

The account was months old, i mean if i did rwt on it they would of banned me far before it, and not 5 hours after he made a public post on reddit, where all j mods check 24/7 they saw it and banend me 5 hours after the post its no coincidence ive spent hundreds of 07 mills on the account, however when he was banned i lost 30m dead man which is all im asking for repayment in damages, he ruined alot of my work and effort.

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Not sure if this is valid proof of the 30m, will leave it open to discussion

30m DMM + Value of the account.

Blade said:

30m DMM + Value of the account.

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Value of the account is hardly something that we should take into consideration. Oakdice RWTs, that much is certain, that account would have been banned at some point in time. Asking Bleu to pay for it isn't fair

Right, but the direct cause of the ban was Bleu, we can't really deny that.

I'll support.

Not too sure about the compensation matter as yet. I'll post back later.

Dave said:

Value of the account is hardly something that we should take into consideration. Oakdice RWTs, that much is certain, that account would have been banned at some point in time. Asking Bleu to pay for it isn't fair

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It's somewhat narrow minded as I knew plenty of people who keep an IP clean to play RS without RWTing and then had VPNs etc for their trading

Sorry I suppose I should have explained that differently. What I meant was with bans where an account is also lost, such as skilling services where a user bots and the account is banned. The refunds made are for the value of service itself, not the account and its theoretical net value.

This situation is slightly different though so there's obviously a lot of room for discussion. But the way I personally see it is that he'd be only liable for the 30M

Hey guys, here's my though on compensation.

Its impossible for me to prove that the reddit post was not the reason for his ban, but its also impossible for him to prove that it was, especially regarding the fact that all the evidence i provided was years old; which would have nothing to do with his new account, it is possible however.


If Oakdice stands by his point that he does not engage in RWT then the ban should easily be a non issue. AFAIR in his video he stated he had all the trade logs of trades he has even done on that account (being a swapper he records all of his swaps) so it should be fairly easy for him to tweet a moderator / contact jagex support and get his account unbannned if he is claiming it was banned in error.

Unregistered Bleuskittle said:

Hey guys, here's my though on compensation.

Its impossible for me to prove that the reddit post was not the reason for his ban, but its also impossible for him to prove that it was, especially regarding the fact that all the evidence i provided was years old; which would have nothing to do with his new account, it is possible however.


If Oakdice stands by his point that he does not engage in RWT then the ban should easily be a non issue. AFAIR in his video he stated he had all the trade logs of trades he has even done on that account (being a swapper he records all of his swaps) so it should be fairly easy for him to tweet a moderator / contact jagex support and get his account unbannned if he is claiming it was banned in error.

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If he was banned for RWT, then he most likely has done so, but to say that you posting years old information had no influence on the investigation of Oak would be a stretch, considering the time of the ban supports this theory.

Before I get started with this post, I'm under the assumption that my pardon has ceased because we are discussing recompensation. I wouldn't like my pardon to be denied within the 7 day time frame because discussion is still going on.
That being said, I think this is something that should be discussed or polled in the SL/USL.



My defense and reasoning for my side are stated below.
My reddit post
The fact that my reddit post (with evidence from 1-2 years ago)got Oakdices current deadman mode account banned is merely speculation. The timeframe does fit, but there is no way to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that that is the reason oakdice's deadman account got banned. Not only that, Oakdice claims the information in the reddit post was just speculation and not concrete evidence, Jagex's has publicly stated before that they make a point of being ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that a player has broken said rules before banned them, therefore by this logic, it makes no sense that he would have been banned by my reddit post.


The cash on Oakdice's account
Oakdice can not prove for certain that 30M was on his account at time of his ban, He swaps cash daily and having 30M 2 days before he was banned does not = having 30M in the specific moment he was banned.


The fact that Oakdice claims he does not RWT
If this is the case, the ban was made in complete error and it would be his responsibility then to take the steps and processes on contacting jagex support to get his account unbanned, I further believe (and he has posted) that he has never RWT'D on his deadman mode account (only swapped; which he says he has proof of) Which would further prove that it was an error







Regardless, I will accept any decision that is handed to me and your reasons for doing so.

If I am found owing the 30M DMM gp I will be unable to pay it for a long period of time. People like Oakdice and others are very wealthy and this would be nothing but a stepping stone to them. While others, it would be the difference in paying or not paying bills for the month.

I make a specific habit of running all my Sythe businesses such as my bond holding with decency and the needs of others in mind, as such with the large amount of donations for sythe I have taken (2k+) I have accumulated less than $100 in profit from it. The only notable thing i posses is my deadman mode account (the account stats, not gp).



Also just a note that if I am found to need to pay back the DMM GP, it would be via method that oakdice has moral issues with (RWT) and am unsure that he would even accept RWT'D DMM cash as compensation

You're right, there's no way to absolutely prove that you were the cause of the ban. I'll use what I posted to staff earlier as an example.

>Drug trading website
You report your lambo has a pound of crack
Cops take lambo and crack
You apologize, realize you were being a cunt, want to repay.

It's your fault that the lambo was reposessed. It's also your fault that the crack was lost. Whether or not the lambo may have eventually been caught? That's impossible for us to know. What we do know is that your report was highly likely to be the cause for the reposession. This is why you should pay.

Also, even if Oak claims he only smokes his own crack, any crack you give him is fine, as long as it doesn't result in a ban (i swear to fuck if you report the account you trade the gold to him you will never see this site again)

Also, I don't really care that he makes a lot and you don't. That doesn't matter in terms of repaying a debt. Also, you've mentioned plenty of times that you're a very successful business manager. If you really want to play hardball about this though,
have it your way.

EDIT - This is my opinion NOT the official ruling. Staff are pretty split on it, don't do anything until a yellow says so.