Best pre-workout out?

Hey guys, something way off topic here..
whats the best pre-workout out at the moment for the gym, and also the best weight gainer for MASS then eventually cut and diet?
any ideas?

 

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/

 

Lots of people like Jack3d.

 

tried jack3d, get too itchy, tried 1MR too.. the downfall of that is really bad, any others?

 

Take a smaller amount, that's what I did.

 

Sounds like its working good if you get itchy, maybe just take a bit less. Two years ago my first preworkout was NO shotgun, that stuff worked amazing for me. Nowadays nothing works even though I cycle off for months at a time, so I don't bother. Go on bodybuilding forum under supplement section and just ask what the best ones are, you'll get a general idea. Or look at the most bought items from bodybuilding site, even though the most bought preworkout is going to be jack3d probably.

 

I've also been using Jack3d, I found SuperPump250 also worked really well.
I'm trying Muscle Marinades pre-workout next, Ive heard it's one of the strongest out there at the moment.

 

All the gym junkies i know use "Black Powder" i've used it a couple of times, makes your face itchy and all that. Probably the same as all the other stuff. These guys have tried a few different ones and caffine pills but they are sticking to Black Powder. This is in Australia btw

 

hmmm sounds reasoable, has anyone heere tried napalm? apparently that goes pretty good, people like Zyzz and ChestBrah, amatuer bodybuilders use it and think its the bomb, any thoughts?

 

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

This.. http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/un/mj.html

Muscle Juice.

Enjoy it, very cheap and effective.

 

& Creatine would be your best option, easy, simple, and effective.

Don't dive into all the bullshit.

 

I also used to get itchy, lessen the amount then you will get used to it then increase the amount..

Dont take that shit after 4pm or you wont sleep a wink

 

Creatine's the way to go. I just started using Purple-K and it is great stuff.

 

Jack is what i use, pretty good although i do get itchy too

 

1MR has all the side effects that are mentioned here, if taken after 6pm you will not get a wink of sleep.. its very bad

 

I use Musashi for mass gain and Sports Edge for creatine and glutamine (growth and recovery).

 

I've personally only taken BSN's NO-Xplode, 1 scoop is a really strong dose, along with some up-tempo music before your workout and I guarentee you'll be awake just wanting to lift.

The only stack i've taken is No-Xplode, Cell mass and ON Whey, and this has definitely given me the most strength gains.

I'd like to suggest reading more and researching yourself about the different supplements out there, as in KNOWING what they do, what caffeine does, what creatine does EXACTLY, not the benefits they tell you, but researching what they actually do to your body.

As far as I know everyone has a different tolerance to caffeine, and that is really the only thing a pre-workout helps you become alert, its the caffeine, its not the nitric oxide or the BCAAs or any of that shit, the caffeine is the only thing that makes a pre-workout a pre-workout.

I'd also like to suggest you do not really need supplements all the time, it is perfectly fine to gain muscle with a simple whey, creatine and a good diet/sleep