"I can sell via playerauctions"

We say it because it's safer for us. No support, ever.

 

I already suggested this bro.

http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1230425

 

Support. If the OP has listed how they would like to purchase the gold, then only post in the thread if you're wanting to sell them gold via that method.

 

^ This.


Just because you might not accept direct PayPal, doesn't mean you have to post on their thread saying I'll do WU/PA. If the OP clearly states direct PayPal only, there's really no point in trying to convince them other wise. There's nobody saying you have to trade that person.

 

Most of the buyers do not include what payment methods do they use, that's why it happens.

It is buyer's fault, not seller's, we do have enough of professional sellers.

If the buyer clearly states that he uses ''direct paypal only'', then yes, seller who are offering other methods only should be infracted.
But if the buyer just says ''paypal'' or ''MoneyBookers'', he shouldn't be, because you can use both of them via Player Auctions.

In other words, it should only be infracted when there is no match between Seller and Buyer provided payment options. Paypal/MoneyBookers=Player Auctions, Direct Paypal is not available via Player Auctions and should be infracted if MoneyBookers were not mentioned. And if the buyer does not provide what payment methods does he use - sellers can offer anything they want.

 

If I want a quick gold trade and I say that I am using Paypal I don't want someone to spam my thread with: "Hey I can lead you through this long process just so you can buy my gold."

Paypal is convenient and PA is not.

 

I support, due to there ask to use PP but once told about player auctions and and they no it's to stop chargebacks they back out of the trade 99.9% of the time.

 

Agreed. There are a couple of members that just go about copy-pasting the same message on all gold threads all day, while people don't even specify that method. Idiotic, so support.

 

I will specifically check if the OP stated he is not willing to use player auctions. If the person only states they can use paypal as an option, I want to make money, and I will take the time to explain to that person how playerauctions works. Yes maybe the person already knows what playerauctions is and doesn't want to use it, but I have turned at least 100 buyers who initially said paypal was their payment method into playerauction buyers.

OP might honestly have no clue what playerauctions is, which lots of people don't. I still get a lot of people who have no clue what playerauctions is, so we can't just "assume everyone knows what playerauctions is." The majority of first time buyers have no clue what it is.

 

Looks like your thread stopped getting replies 3 weeks ago, sorry I didn't see it. If anything, it should be a benefit that I've revived discussion on the topic.

That's a very selfish viewpoint. I'm assuming by "us" you mean gp sellers. Playerauctions can be very inconvenient for buyers, and really, it's not that hard to keep yourself safe via direct paypal

Sure, but this topic is only about when buyers say specific methods and other methods are offered

I believe this is the mentality of most buyers, although kmjt makes an interesting point below

Interesting. Would you say that the majority of people offering to buy via paypal are able to be swung over to Playerauctions? I initially thought that it was the reverse, that people who offered to buy via paypal had no interest in Playerauctions

 

You might be able to persuade numerous people, but I don't think majority of the people in the buying section are out to use Player Auctions. I think this thread also shouldn't just visit player auctions. People are constantly saying the opposite of the OP's wishes. Always asking to use Western union, MoneyBookers, etc.

 

Video, if they make an unauthorised claim on a different i.p, you are screwed.

 

No, the majority of people who initially want to use paypal won't go through playerauctions. But if there is one person in ten that I can turn, I will always try. I'd say 30% at least will give playerauctions a shot after initially stating their payment method is paypal. Keep in mind I don't waste time in the threads of developed bulk buyers because I know they can't be bothered with PA. I look specifically for up and coming bulk buyers who are just starting their shops or one time buyers. And its the one time buyers that usually have no clue what PA even is.

 

I support, as this will delete the amount of spam in the buying forum, as those threads will be bumped far less often (very few are going to post on a thread to sell gold to a newcomer for paypal direct).

I agree with KMJT, I've swayed many people asking to buy off me with paypal to playerauctions. However this isnt the same to replying to a buying thread, where the OP is offering an over priced offer for paypal only (for a large amount of gold), I know they are just scamming so I don't even bother to reply or talk to them.

I think that there should be a requirement to use Paypal (much like your suggestion of a requirement to sell accounts).

 

This is true, i have seen you and a couple of other people do it, i have seen the OP asking what is PlayerAuctions and some of them has even registered to make the payment.

I agree that people can spam this and raise their post count up easy, but it takes hours daily to do this, i have been getting lots of posts lately in the buying/selling section, but i wouldn't consider it a spam, i spend a lot of hours daily in sythe and the only thing that keeps me out from getting bored is posting, and since i am active for so many hours in sythe i might as well start posting.

My point is, not everyone can do this "Spam Thing" cause it requires activity on sythe, and not everyone can be active to post like this. And like kmjt said, some people have no clue what PlayerAuctions is.

Posting is what keeps the site active & brings traffic, so i don't support this, the current sythe posting rules are alright, if we keep implementing more posting rules, less posting/less activity there will be.

PS
I do support that someone should be infracted if he posts about other payment methods when the Original poster clarified that he's only accepting the payment method listed on his thread. That's when a private message should be used.

 

support it does'nt seem much different to me than posting ads for gold4rs, technically its advertising another website as playerauctions is a gold sale sight and not an actual payment method itself.

 

No, i don't support this as if i don't sell to trusted users i often sell via playerauction as i don't use moneybookers or others such as moneygram as i don't know how to use them and i feel safer with PA

 

You aren't understanding that this suggestion isn't favouring people who buy with paypal only, it's to simply stop people from posting on those threads saying "I'll sell via PA", when the vast majority of those threads are scammers anyways.

Posting "I'll sell via PA" is spam on those threads, just let the scammer threads hit page 2+ so the legit threads can stay on first page.

 

When people ask me something which I know is going to be a common question, I make a walkthrough. Then the next time someone asks, I just send them the instructions.

Kind of like that old passage: Teach a man to fish and he eats for life, give him a fish and he simply goes on starving.

From a community standpoint, it sounds like there's a problem that could be easily resolved by walkthrough threads. Teach them how to fish.

People ask for PA because they want security either as a buyer or a seller. That is understandable, however I am shocked to hear that people are confused about how to use the website. It's supposed to be easy, and that's my responsibility.

Can I get some details about exactly how people are confused? The signup process is pretty simple and I helped design it.

If all the PA complaints are about sellers that need to learn how to post an offer then I agree. The system is needlessly confusing because it asks for unit size, units, max units, min units... It was developed by previous management.

I submitted some improvements to the tech team a few weeks ago. No more units. Someone will just land on the offer editor, report how much gold they got, how much they want for it, and they're done. After that, coordinating a trade is as simple as giving someone a URL.

We're aware that a lot of people trade in forums, but want to complete through PlayerAuctions. We've considered developing forum integration, but I think education is the real solution.

For sellers, all they need to do is make an an offer and then share the URL to their buyer.
For buyers, they need to register and pay.

We know it's still not easy enough, however. As a developer, I would like to hear your suggestions. PA staff can easily make a set of videos if you think video tutorials would help.

It's frustrating to hear that people in forums are smacking their heads when people request PA. I want to do something about it.

 

Within Vbulletin, it's possible to change the post editor to include a form, which will then populate an offer with details such as what payment options they do and do not accept.

That would make it easy for violations since violators can't say, "Well, gee... the seller didn't specify." Nope, the seller specified. The form can be set to 'required' input, so a seller HAS to specify what options they accept.