Market Mods - Reactive Not Active

I'd just like to say... market, which is the most important section of the site should have more mods, not only to check the reports, as stated, or temp ban users when proof against them is all truth, should definitely have more mods, revising threads, looking around and spoofing scammers before they attempt to scam or scam.

It's sad to see little gold sellers lose their 50M with fake/frauded/stolen paypals.

We can avoid this. Why not work for it?

 

I wouldn't mind having more market mods, however just want to say: The market mods have been doing a good job with reports, usually by the time I get home and there is like 4-10 reports left. Thats about it, and the majority of the time we are revising threads for people whenever people message us, and whenever there is valid proof against them then the user will get banned. Its just a matter of people getting the right proof. I just wanted to say that, because I feel like after this one instance you guys are not giving us enough credit for the time and work we do put in, and I found that kind of funny because our market mods are some of the most active on the site by a long shot.

 

From my experience market mods are doing their current jobs just fine, in fact in a great way! But this thread has not only come to conclusion but also a suggestion.

Reports and banning is something that is handled within it's posting/reporting.

But now we are talking about developing some "investigative" skills within the mods to be able to spoof this scammers even before they deceive our legit members that are just trying to sell/buy safely.

And just to add... get some more market mods so this task can be effectively done.

 

Correction, it was dealt with by another mod therefore I closed the report. I can say that when this thread came out was the first time I looked at it besides the few seconds when I saw a spam report.

Yes that's exactly me, I don't even play RS but I am worried about making GP.....

 

Tbh i see something like this yesterday it's stupid. Burnley OMM'd some guys trades he was buying mass gold for 0.69 via pp he brought over a good 2b tbh I could bet my house this guys going to charge back I think Burnley or any OMM should warn the seller when dealing with pp.

 

One of the hardest working mods i know on here, everybody does there part but for some reason i noticed DJ gets criticized more than anyone else, and hes the one i always see replying to posts, fixing threads, and solving spam reports.

Not to say no one else does it i know all the mods work hard or else they wouldnt have there position but i think DJ is one of teh more underrated or to carefully say one of the hated on ones.

keep up the good work Dj

 

Did you read any of this thread? This isn't about the Report a Scammer page. I think mods do a fine job with that. That's an example of being REACTIVE. You are banning people AFTER they scam. AFTER the damage is done.

I'm sorry, but RsProd dropped the ball on this one. He went in, deleted all the posts pointing out that this Idoofyi kid was posting fake vouches, and DID NOT INVESTIGATE the situation. Like I said RSProd, anyone worthy of being a market mod should have been able to find enough proof in IP's to ban the guy. I can't check IP's, so I can't gather the evidence.

You're a Market Mod, you have a responsibility on the forum. Plain and simple. You aren't paid directly to be a Market Mod, but you still accepted the role and therefore are accountable for your activity. If someone like myself is labeling another person a scammer (with 100x more market experience than you), LOOK INTO IT. Simply dragging your mouse over the IP's would have probably done the trick.

If that guy had scammed someone, when you had deleted the posts warning them of danger, you'd be the reason that scam happened. And it almost did.

 

We have been seeing a situation for the past few months in which it has have become an effective way to scam the use of frauded/stolen paypal just to scam members which are trying to make legit business. A not only trusted users, but staff have been deceived or deceive users in Sythe. We need to take a step in front of scammers.

The way the market is developing now is just ridiculous, many threads are obvious scams yet we let them through and continue. We, the community are being greedy and selfish. Of course, we are in a free community where you can offer any price and buy at any price you'd like but things that are just damn stupid, even with OMM is a fake, is a scam, it will just make you lose your money.

Let's point out the situation of people buying gold at .7 - .8 with a current market price of .50 for public bulk selling. Even with the backup of a middle man, the buyer with a stolen paypal can claim he will pay OMM fees, contact him and arrange everything, the trade might of been successful, but the result is not. Within the next month the seller will be receiving a beautiful email from paypal as result of the chargeback.

And what do we lose? Nothing... What does buyer lose? A simple virtual account... What does seller lose? Probably all he had.

But then, it will be another case... buyer evades the ban, creates a new account and with that stolen gp he can continue to scam and deceive our legit users.

It's a cycle we must stop and enforce security measures to prevent.

 

Not being on R2s dick, like many accuse, but I have been an active member during his mod days. He was a good mod, and is now a profitable business man. If he says something looks fishy it does really need to be looked into. I haven't kept up with gold sellers lately, but he used to be Sythe's largest gold seller and that denotes a great amount of experience. Instead of raging at this, you should take the criticism professionally and apply it to become better mods. I would hate to think Sythe lost one of it's most successful because the market mods weren't doing the job to it's fullest. I think part of the job is taking criticism responsibly and not over reacting to it.


As RS2 said, proactive not reactive. You have to investigate claims when they are placed by responsible members.

 

Well, in that post I was simply responding to another point that was made by TBT. If you go back to the previous page you can view my other post, which I'm not quite sure you saw. Either way I explained my involvement and the situation. At the beginning there was no evidence of any wrong doings. Later more users posted with fake vouches and their ip's matched. I don't think you understand me, I completely trust and respect your judgement and suspicion, he'll I even had the same suspicion. But what it comes down to is that we can't go around banning people based on judgement and suspicion. We need direct evidence and at the beginning of people calling out the user for fake vouches there was no evidence, there was nothing we could do. I would love to elaborate more and explain this in depth a little more, however I am typing this on my iPhone and will not be home for some time. However when I return I'd look forward to discussing this further.

 

I think there should be a mod or two who just randomly check threads, I'm unsure how many market mods there are but even 1 or 2 who just frequently check members would help a lot, also some background check into why the member is being accused of scamming should be done before deleting posts.

 

I too am frustrated with the way that mods handle potential scammers. Being an experienced trader, you learn certain traits that scammers exhibit, i.e. obvious fake vouches, overpaying for gold, etc.

Whenever I bring up these potential scammers to mods, 90% of the time I'm told "oh, well there's no proof they're fake, however they were proxied so I'll request a TwC" and then 3 days go by before the TwC would even have been issued, except by this point, the scammer has already legitimately scammed someone and is now banned. I will give the mods credit for the Feren Silver situation though, that saved potentially thousands in scams.

I wish mods could use common sense instead of being bound by these rigid rules that are basically "don't ban unless a scam is actually committed" not to mention that most scammers can get away with multiple scams before someone actually posts sufficient evidence for a ban but that's another point.

Also, the RaS section is far from perfect, hence why I hardly ever report scammers there. By the time a mod looks at it, the kid will have scammed much more, so I usually just pm mods, although that too is somewhat not accepted policy, it's the quickest way to get the job done.

Case in point, 4 days ago, H1J2Q3 posted this scam report: http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1234691

Obviously he's a trusted and reputable user, so when he reports someone for scamming, it's because they actually scammed. And here it has sat for 4 days

 

I agree that this situation needs to be worked on. However, many people must know that it is also very hard to be proactive all the time. Scams will happen regardless, no matter how active someone is. Someone could never be all places at once, another thing people forget is there are some scammers that are much more smarter than others which is why I feel it is true that you can't "just ban someone for no reason based on just suspicion". But I also feel that mods should not just use that phrase as a swat of the hand to people who bring information forth. There is definitely in dire need of Report a Scammer needed to be looked at faster. As video said; there are threads in there that are clearly valid and have been sitting there for multiple days which end up turning into weeks until they are looked at but the scammer already scammed thousands of dollar and they made a quick getaway already.

 

It's very simple to suggest that there ''should be more Market Moderators''. The categorical fact is, however, that trying to find users that a majority of staff agree should be promoted is a task in itself. It should also be said that there exists a huge brain drain on Sythe.org currently - there simply aren't enough good users that deserve to be promoted.

It's not that we oppose having more Market Moderators... in principle, I'm sure many of us would agree that more are needed.

 

As a response to Video, Globals slap TWCs.

And to anyone who questions theres only about 5 market mods covering everything. Just because we don't go into every thread to check them it shouldn't be our main priority. If you have a concern about a user best thing to do is PM a mod to IP check and see if they are a vader or using multiple accounts.

 

Just a thought, but isnt there a way [besides mod voting] to determine which members are seriously worthy of a position? I mean we have a application for OMM i know this is not the same at all but there must be a way to have a similar process to prove it, or we should come up with one

 

Why not create a special elite Sythe force made from trusted Runescape Traders that dont necessarily need to become Staff Members but the powers that enable them to post into a Top Secret thread only visible from staff + other Special Elite Sythe Force members that requires INSTANT action from any mod that see's posts there ?

NOT A TROLL - I just like the sound of Special Elite Sythe Force

 

Same thing happened to me... Don't worry about R2, he likes to rant now and again. You're doing a great job!

 

No, I don't believe there is.

 

oh Alright, well idk how it can be done but ill think about it. If an idea comes up lmk please