IronmanMaster is likely advertising botted accounts as hand-trained

IronmanMaster

In both his PlayerAuctions and Sythe thread title, IronmanMaster claims to be selling hand-trained accounts ≡ $300+ Donor ≡ Highest Quality HCIM SYTHE✔️TRUSTED✔️OVER 1,000 Ironman Sold✔️Hand Trained✔️ , https://i.imgur.com/ULJGj6p.png with strangely exactly the same 5 skills trained over and over and no other variation to his accounts whatsoever. According to his PlayerAuctions feedback he has sold 120 of these accounts in the last 30 days on PlayerAuctions alone. https://i.imgur.com/FV5AL7r.png , https://i.imgur.com/VkC1KLB.png , https://i.imgur.com/icqBa7f.png. This is more than just a one off discounted sale this is a bulk offload of identical accounts. This also does not count any other sales he got elsewhere/privately over discord during that time.

He's selling accounts that take 400-500+ in-game hours to complete for $189. However PlayerAuctions takes 14% + $1 for every sale (plus a few extra dollars in withdrawal fees later). Meaning he only gets $160 after fees are removed. Assuming at least 5 bonds are being used at $2 each that leaves $150 to be claimed for a $189 sale. There is simply no way he is creating hundreds of accounts himself by hand so he has to have workers or bots. Lets assume he is telling the truth, I dont know how much he is splitting with the worker, but lets be generous and say 85% of the money goes to the worker. Thats $128 for the worker. His methods of training arent AFK, by the looks of his builds he is doing Arceus library, tithe farm, pickpocket thieving wealthy citizens, red chinchompas and wintertodt. 3 out of the 5 activities are not very easy to train multiple accounts simultaneously as they require pretty consistent clicking to continue training.

Lets break down each skill advertised, assuming maximum efficiency.

• 24HP 99 magic no runecrafting so arceus library. = 86 in-game hours to complete https://i.imgur.com/IKZNKAR.png, is not AFK

• 45k red chinchompas, = 113 in-game hours to complete https://i.imgur.com/HIxPtjK.png, is nof AFK

• 99 Thieving from wealthy citizens = a generous 118 in-game hours of work (160 hours is probably closer) https://i.imgur.com/kWepQ3f.png . Also note that he does not have his "workers" get the rogues outfit despite having all requirements to get it unlocked. Rogues outfit does not take long to aquire, but long enough that if you are botting and a bot is not available its too inconvenient to do by hand over and over.

• 99 farming tithe farm. = 118 hours https://i.imgur.com/JwF5mMx.png, is not AFK

• 99 Firemaking = 43 hours https://i.imgur.com/avxQfYp.png

The total time to complete his accounts listed for $189 is an estimated 478 in-game hours assuming maximum efficiency for every hour played, for an estimated $128 to the person who created it. If you were to simply farm gold for a similar amount of time you would arguably make more money than $128 since you could pick AFK goldfarming methods and just do it by hand on multiple accounts. This also provides the benefit of being to periodically offload the gold instead of waiting for full completion of the account. If you can average at least 2.1m/hr combined across all accounts being played for 478 hours you will earn 1003m or $130 assuming you sell the gold at $0.13/m which is the current going rate https://i.imgur.com/gENFuEM.png. 2.1m/hr is also quite low and considered the worst case scenario for someone who simply cant run more than 1 or 2 accounts at once. I think 10m/hr is easily achievable to a person serious about goldfarming by hand for a living. (Top 21 High Intensity GP/hr Methods) (Top 21 Low Intensity GP/hr methods) So any argument of "well the worker could just make multiple accounts" is invalid because not only are 3 of the 5 skills not afkable forcing you to focus on one account at a time but even if you did make 2 or 3 accounts at a time you can also make 2-5x more gold as well.

478 hours at 10 hours a day maximum efficiency 7 days a week is 48 days . If IronmanMaster is using workers, they are going 48 days minimum before getting paid for their work. In comparison, if I were to hire my workers to create such a job prior to this. It would have cost me $475 to the worker and would take the worker the 6-12 months to create just a single account since they do not play at maximum efficiency nor do they work 7 days a week. So $475 becomes closer to $525 after bond costs. I only assumed 5 bonds were used in the creation of the account in my math above so any extras reduce the profits even further. I have found the occasional worker who is interested in making such an account but IronmanMaster has not only apparently found dozens/hundreds of such workers based off his sales, but they are willing to do it for 1/4th the price. None of my workers are willing to compete with this price even if I were to give them 100% of the profits.

Strangely, despite having such a large and cheap workforce, he only makes irons. No pures, no zerks, no mains. The irons he does create, he doesnt have his workers finish 99 agility, or do guardians of the rift runecrafting, or the very AFK mining at MLM, or tempoross for 99 fishing. They dont get rogues outfit to increase their thieving exp/rewards. Something is just off. None of the activities I just listed are dangerous activities so workers dont have to worry about death. If you have many workers capable of creating these accounts then you should be doing other safe skills/activities too but he doesn't. He caps out that those 5 activities specifically and no more. Does he make similar accounts with different skills? For example switching 99 thieving for 99 Mining so that his workers work a similar amount of time but make something different? No.

To summerize. Even when given the best case scenario for account creation (Max xp/hr from level 1 + 85% $ going to worker), and the worst case scenario for goldfarming (2.1m/hr across all accs played). It is more profitable to just goldfarm than make the accounts IronmanMaster is advertising. Either IronmanMaster has convinced dozens/hundreds of workers that it is better to make accounts for him than to goldfarm despite goldfarming being more profitable, or he is botting and lying about it.

 

The basis of this report upon speculation and assumptions, not any tangible evidence.

No evidence that I use bots, or any other prohibited methods basing conclusions off pricing and volume (hypothetical business model), none of which are rule violations.

Hand-trained does not provide the assumption that all of the accounts were created by one user nor does it require an explanation of either the internal workflow or the staff that help with those accounts. The argument presented by the reporter has been based on incorrect assumptions and has presented conjectures as truths.

The accusation of this dishonesty has clearly been made publicly without providing evidence, which is defaming me and my business and could potentially violate Sythe's terms of service regarding defamatory postings. If staff wishes clarification or verification beyond speculation, please know that I am more than happy to cooperate with a private inquiry.

Due to the lack of actual evidence being presented, I do not believe that this report qualifies as a legitimate rule violation. Should this continued unfounded allegation continue, I will request that a member of the staff determines if this thread is in compliance with Sythe’s terms of service.

 

I was simply making the report because attempting to ask opinions about it privately was not advised https://i.imgur.com/VvxLggY.png. Following staff comments, I made a report and outlined my math to justify my concerns for staff to officially review.

 

Its alot like trying to tell if art was made by a real human or AI. When you look close enough at AI art you start to notice all sorts of inconsistencies that identify the art as AI. A 6th finger here, an illegible word there. Little things that cumulatively add up to a bunch of red flags saying "This was made by AI".

I am simply doing the same thing here. There are enough things that just dont make sense that I made a post addressing it.

 

I mean if ur offering, I dont need to see the evidence id take staff's word if they verified.

 

Done thank you please see the reported post for proof.