9/11: Planned by the Gov't? Serious posts only.

You are correct. The US government needed a way of declaring war on these oil-rich countries under the "guise" of terrorism. We are in an age where the general public don't want war - they don't want innocent people being killed for oil. There is no support for engaging war under these circumstances.

Look at US imperialism over the centuries, lots of innocent people killed to get to where we are today.. Do you think the US government really cares if a few thousand of it's own people die in order to gain control of the largest oil reserves in the world? NO!

Osama was paid by Bush.. go look into it, he met the Bin Laden family a week before the 911 attack.

The fact is, it's not difficult to get into government.. and there are a lot of criminals in it. Sure a lot of Americans didn't even think Obama was born in the country. You don't get enough info on the people you are voting for. Bush came from a long line of criminals interested only in Oil.

You don't know enough about your own country's history.. and maybe you don't realise how much 14 trillion dollars debt is. The US is in such a crysis right now and half of you don't seem to realise it. I'd guess if the government announces it there would be wild hysteria.

 

Proof? And the world trade centers computers that help "all the money information" were obviously backed up...

 

You know what the even bigger threat is? All these middle-eastern countries that America has pissed off.. they're all in search of Uranium to build Nuclear weapons.

Al Quaida say they want to kill 4 million Americans - they added up the death toll of their people and say this is what is owed to them to "balance" things.

The worrying thing is that lots of Uranium is smuggled all the time, Russia is the main place where it comes from.

It's really easy to make a nuke once you have the Uranium.

Sadly, it's inevitable that this eventually happens..

All because of War!

 

I wasn't talking about how one was a terror attack and the other a natural attack. I was talking about how people make a really big deal out of 9/11, and don't really care about more important things happening around them, be it natural or not. 9/11 happened 10 years ago, the only people who are supposed to care by now is people with family that died in the collapse.

3000 people lost their lives, but that doesn't really matter in the long run. 3000 people died of starvation today, too, but you don't care.

I bet almost none of you can remember any other sudden cause of thousands of deaths that happened between 8 - 13 years ago without looking it up

 

you want to know if it was pre-planned?

Look at how the buildings fell.

They fell almost perfectly in and upon themselves.

Go ask any demolitions expert and they will tell you that it takes a lot of planning and preparation to make a building fall that way.

also, debris from another building is not enough to make another fall at free fall speed. building 7 obviously was a preplanned explosion. buildings do not just fall like that when hit with minor debris.



Don't believe me about the demolitions thing?
conduct an experiment yourself.
1) build 10 scale replicas of the world trade center.
2) simulate, as best as possible, the plane crash conditions in all 10 simulations.
3) see how many of the models fall sideways instead of falling as it did.



Like really. Not one, but two towers fell almost perfectly in and upon themselves with minimal damage to adjacent buildings. this is unheard of for such a tall structure getting hit in their sides.

 

You don't know enough about the economy 10 years ago.. and maybe you don't realise how well the economy was going back then. The US was doing so well, and half of you don't seem to realise it. I'd guess if the government announces it there would be wild hysteria

 

I see people talking about how the buildings may have been rigged with explosives, that may be correct; I saw another theory that involved the building having its interior painted in super thermite which burns at a temperature higher than steel's melting point. Secondly I agree with BlazinFasstt who commented above. Never have I seen organized chaos on such a large scale.

 

Pearl Harbor - WWII, not WWI

To me, It seems like a costly move for the govt to make, when steps could have been taken to bring around the same result.

 

governments will go a long way to look peaceful to other nations.

the world would probably think much differently of America if they simply jumped into the conflict for no obvious reason.

the difference:
A) America is a nation that will not tolerate any aggression against it
B) America is a nation that will always be willing to fight.






funny thing is that, while most citizens may be placated by the belief in A, the international community still thinks america is a warhungry nation.

 

Without 9/11 the US wouldn't have a reason to attack another country for oil.

It was obvious that it was planned, it's proven that there were bombs in the building.

 

The government sees things differently for example people are always expendable to them like they brainwash you with some bullshit that your life could be the difference in saving the nation when really there is no threat at hand.

Osama is gone, Saddam Hussein is gone. Please explain why they are still there? The presence of Al qaeda will always be there so what are they going stay forever? Personally I agree I think it was planned. Even Donald trump says if we don't take over Iraq's oil soldiers died for nothing. Wasn't this war suppose to be about terrorism not oil?

It's funny how influential people say these things and terrorism took a back seat when that was the initial purpose for the invasion. The attack on the twin towers was a set up for the us government to make millions in my opinion.

 

The money doesn't just come out the banker's asses you know. Where do you think the banks get their money from?

And how can you even say that it doesn't matter where you get your sources from? You pretty much just said you believe everything you read without caring whether it's credible or not...

Yes, that's tragic but, completely off topic.

It was unheard of because they the Twin Towers were constructed in an unconventional manner.

This is from an investigative report by Popular Mechanics, which I highly recommend you read

Now you have your reason for why the towers fell the way they did. Also, it's virtually impossible to simulate using scale replicas, there's way too many variables involved. Even if you conducted 1,000,000 of those experiments, of course the results wouldn't simulate the way the buildings fell.

As for Building 7,

Lym, I love ya, but I gotta disagree. Not only has there never been conclusive evidence of bombs being planted, but every theory that claims otherwise can easily be debunked.

 

No steps could EVER bring about the same result. You obviously don't see the bigger picture. The war on terror is never ending. First Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria and finally Iran (they would have invaded alot sooner if Iran didn't have Nukes)

T V - the banks are PRIVATELY owned. They lend out money to the government with added debt. Reboman is 100% right.. the bankers make the most out of war because the government borrows so much money.

Kennedy tried to take away the private ownership and he was killed by the bankers:

"Currently all we do is exchange FED money (interest attached) for real U.S. money (interest-free) dollar for dollar as Kennedy tried to do. We should not be required to pay interest on our own currency. According to Benjamin Franklin, this was one of the primary reasons we fought the Revolutionary War. Today we are still fighting the same family of bankers."

Thomas Jefferson - ""If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.""

 

I'm just trying to make you guys think, "why did they attack us?" Have you ever listened to the other side of the conflict? People just assume that because we're the victim that we're automatically the good guys.

General public opinion amongst Americans was that we shouldn't get into a war that doesn't involve us. It was just FDR that wanted to go to war, but just getting involved without a reason would create a public outcry.

Japan was an expanding culture, they needed more land and resources, so naturally they did what they needed to in order to meet those requirements.

I'm just trying to point out that the majority doesn't necessarily mean it's right. I realize it's very gay.

 

I believe it was a pre-requisite to going to war in the middle east, but what is interesting is how that NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense Command) failed to scramble jets and such on 9/11. Look into it if you would like, makes for an interesting read

 

Yeah 9/11 wasn't a big deal your right sorry for acting like it was. Yeah your right I don't care about it anymore, its no big deal. It doesn't matter lets just forget about because history won't repeat itself if we just forget about it.

 

What I meant to say was, In MY eyes it's been proven, watching the videos, before the plane even hit the buildings it started exploding. How can a plane make a whole building basically explode?

It's just how I see it lol.

 

All of this kind of stuff is fobbed off as "conspiracy theories", but if people were to think about things they would get their minds blown.

I'd be here typing all day long if I started so I'm just going to say that yes, I believe 9/11 was planned by the government and that the only reason Osama bin Laden 'eluded capture' for a decade was because the government let him do so. The current administration needed a 'triumph' (I don't blame them, look how fucked up the US and world economy has been left from the Bush administration), so decided to cash in and kill bin Laden.

 

What innocent people are we killing for oil?

Until you can provide some support for your claim, this is a complete load of rubbish.

Evidence?

Criminals are everywhere -- this isn't something specific to government.

A baseless accusation made by far-right lunatics.

Evidence?

Everybody knows exactly the situation that we're in at the moment (what does this have to do with the issue at hand?). Perhaps, rather than spouting these wild accusations, you should do some actual research.

What is this supposed to mean?

Ignoring the poor grammar of your question, you're really just spouting bullshit without even attempting to defend your position.

Donald Trump is an idiot.

It's not a matter of opinion; it is an objective question.

Please, do elaborate.

Please, do elaborate.

Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/private-banks-quotation

 

The women/children/civilians in the Middle East

Um... The government isn't just going to come out and say, "Yeah, we just wanted the oil." That's why they created this "War on Terror", to swoop into this country and take their oil, lithium, and poppies to make heroin.

Osama worked for the CIA. I think he's referring to that.

I'm impartial to this, but the "full birth certificate" released by the White House showed on Adobe Illustrator that some parts were edited.

Be open to the possibility that you might be manipulated by the government. Of course a lot of it's going to be speculation because no government is going to come out and admit that they're doing all this fucked up shit. But that's why evidence is presented, so you can connect the dots yourself.