A few suggestions.

Hey.

With regards to this:

I think a sub-section dedicated to price checks (Price Check section) within each Market section should be introduced.

However post counts do not increase within those sub-sections, therefore a numeral amount of price checks may be accorded.

In return, all Price Check topics can either stay, be locked or removed.

Of course a required format/topic title may need to be introduced if necessary so people have enough detail of the account to be price checked.

Another suggestion is a reputation/feedback system.

As supposedly seen on other forums, particularly vB, a reputation system could potentially add an extra value of 'trust' towards members.

This reputation system could include the following:

- A positive reputation adds 1 point to a user's reputation. A feedback option can also be applied.
- A negative reputation deducts 1 point from a user's reputation. A feedback option can also be applied.
- This reputation system can vary greatly, for example creating it as a Donator+ feature, or enabling reputation deduction as an added feature for Donator+ only.

If this system cannot or will not, be put in place, I'd like to suggest my final suggestion.

A new section, similar to the current Vouch section can be added to the forums.

Within this section, whatever it may be called (E.G. User Feedback, Feedback forums, etc), will allow user's to create a topic which will include a poll.

Within this poll, 2 options can only be present:

A Positive (+) or a Negative (-).

Similar to a 'reputation' system and the current 'vouch system', people who have dealt trades of any sort may cast a vote detaining either a Positive or a Negative reputation and leave a post (feedback) of the reason behind their vote.

Through their 'Feedback thread' as similarly done currently by many members, user's may have a link linking other people to their 'Feedback thread' to assist in determining whether they're feedback is 100%, etc. and the reasons/trades they have represented.

Of course, post counts will not/should not rise within this new section.

Post your thoughts.

Thanks.

 

I like the idea of the Price Check subforum. It would provide a way for people to determine the price of their accounts and good, and eliminates the need for just one sticky.

The reputation system is kind of iffy, and unneeded as it is highly abused.

One again if you allow the existence of a feedback system it is very easy to abuse and hard to deter.

 

As similar to the current rule of vouching (self-vouching), any 'self-feedback' would be traced and removed, with the user (accused) being warned/infracted/banned.

But I'm sure the positives of implementing, or even trialing, such a system mentioned outweigh the negatives in my perspectives.

Thanks for the feedback.

 

1) Yes, a subsection would do good. However, I think post count should go up here, motivating people to work hard. Completely irrelevant PCs will be removed and infracted for spam.
2.1) Sectional rules, can't suggest this.
2.2) No, people with status would be repped every day, and people without would never get anything, causing the scenario 'the rich get richer, the poor get poorer'. Also it's hard to moderate whether giving someone positive/negative rep is actually for services etc. or isn't. If every rep would be moderated, you'd need at least 2 moderators full time moderating these.

3) You mean vouch? Yeah, we have that.

 

Not if there was a 'feedback restriction' or something along those lines.

Better yet, a feedback of the trade occurred must be posted alongside repping.

I'm not sure what you mean about your third point, but I blatantly know there is a Vouch section, LOL.

I was merely comparing a 'feedback' section to the current vouch section, as it would basically work in a similar way except the feedback section would provide an extra basis of trust and the average of 'good' and 'bad' trades adhered by the user.

As everyone should be familiar, most trade/auction sites such as eBay and PlayerAuctions have a customer feedback system in place.

Thanks for your comments.

EDIT: Just viewed this topic.

I reclaim my 'reputation system' suggestion, however I will leave it up in OP as part of a 'reinforcement' to my 'feedback system/section' suggestion.

 

People probably won't agree on the repping. It always becomes a mess. Always. Trust me.

I was implying that your idea was pretty much similar to the vouch system, and it wouldn't add up.

Well, that's similar to vouches only now you'd have a possibility to tell traders that if they write bad feedback, you'll chargeback or something. Wouldn't really add a lot but trouble, I think.

I don't know how it'll actually work out, but the vouch system we have is good in my opinion.

 

Which is why I retracted this suggestion.

Which is why with comparison to my potential 'reputation system', there are many altarcations and variants which can take part with a 'feedback system' (E.G. Only Donator+ can cast a vote/leave a feedback, Only Donator+ can create a feedback thread (although this suggestion would highly be pointless if this were the case)).

I know the current vouch system is great, however a feedback system would simply 'support' the current vouch system and reinforce the basis of trust with users.

 

Allow me to blow your balloons.

1) Your job. Not ours.
2) The current vBulletin version is too old to support that. Anyway, I disagree because it would promote favouritism.
3) Basically a replica of the vouch forum. No.

 

1. What's my job?

2. I know it is. Which is also another reason why I retracted my reputation system suggestion, because it is also in the DO NOT suggest thread.

3. No it's not. It's basically a support system for the vouch section.

It provides the 'percentage' (votes) in favour of whether the user has a positive balance of trades (50%+ 'feedback') or a negative balance of trades (-49% 'feedback').

Going back to my example with PlayerAuctions as it relates to the black market, would you trade with someone who has 40% feedback in comparison with someone who has 90% feedback with a total of 200+ trades (votes)?

By having this extra touch of 'trust support', it would assist in decision making for a buyer/seller.

This could also have an extra advantage. For example, a requirement of a minimum of 200 positive (+) votes in order to apply for an Official Middleman position.

Or even a minimum of 50 positive (+) votes in order to create a Middleman thread, although there currently is no requirement at all.

However, by possessing a majority of positive (+) votes over negative (-) votes, this would definitely help in determining how 'trusted' a user is, alongside their vouches, etc.

Thanks for your opinions.

 

To set your prices.

Alrighty.

So basically you want to implement another "trust gauge". Sorry, but even the most trusted users have scammed.

 

No support for any of those.

You see, things actually get worked around the way they are, we don't want to mess with the whole categories and the current reputation system, which works... just fine

 

I don't think you understand my price check suggestion.

It is not my job to 'set my own prices'?

Hopefully this is a clearer suggestion:

Create a sub-section within each major black market section, for example the RuneScape Markets section, called Price Check section where users can create a thread asking how much their account(s) is worth.

This sub-section will not raise post count, but will be active in which more users will notice it as the current 'price check method' is not noticed by many.

With regards to your final comment, if you pertain that even the most trusted users have scammed, then you're portraying the fact that even the vouch section is useless?

I used to, and still in the back of my mind do, find vouches useless and here's why; anyone can offer any type of free service and attain a number of vouches.

Therefore, as most people display the amount of vouches they have in either their signature or vouch thread, it does not matter how many they have just because they offered a free service.

Through the 'feedback system', the second/third party can easily cast their vote, if necessary, and simply add a feedback about the trade completed.

As another altercation, a discretion may apply that only 1 vote per thread may be cast per day.

This is not even restricted to voting.

I'm sure from this one idea, a new yet better one may grow.

What current reputation system?

There is no current reputation system.

Even if their were, I've already stated that I've scrapped that suggestion and instead have used it as a reinforcement to my feedback system suggestion.

Whilst things might currently be working fine just the way they are, an addition to a person's 'trust image' can be pertained with an extra system, the 'feedback system'.

No 'whole categories' would be 'messed'.

Simply a new section would be introduced with regards to the feedback system and new sub-sections would be introduced within each Market section.

As previously addressed by a staff member, each price check topic falls into the corresponding category (E.G. http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=492787 which is located in Runescape Markets > Other Accounts > Characters: Levels 3-59) which supposedly makes it easier for people to locate the specific level account and either locate a price check or desire a price check.

However the topic is all over the place.

There is no structure, no one giving any type of price check unless it's upon the rare occasion where the price check is either under-priced or overpriced and that if no posts has occurred for a minimum of 14 days and someone decides to either price check the last account on the topic or post to acquire a price check, then a grave-dig has occurred.

Whereas if a user creates a dedicated topic for an account, a required thread title may be put in place to be used mandatory (E.G. Level 62 [Pure], Level 96 [Rune Pure]) and a compulsory topic requirement could also be put in place (E.G. Image of the stats, wealth), although that is entirely not necessary.

This would definitely create a cleaner 'price check method' then the current one.

However there are many variations when it comes to each of my suggestions and I hope you take some time to consider each one.

Thanks for your opinions though.

I do share your negative thoughts of each suggestion, however as I've stated, the positives of each suggestion outweighs the negatives in my opinion.

 

Keep it short...

I understood your suggestion, but it has been denied before. We are not obliged to sit around and help you decide prices for your sales. As a trader, that should be your responsibility.

I am not implying vouches are totally useless. I'm just saying that adding another trust gauge would be pointless, and a hassle to manage.

 

I'm almost positive those have been denied and the rep system is on the DNS list.

 

Vouches are subjective anyways, the reputation of a person is up to another person. Even with a "feedback system" it wouldn't affect much the way people trust more a person based on vouches, post count, join date, etc.

Still, no support.

 

My arguments are fair and concise, therefore they are at it's minimal size.

However, I'm quite sure a 'feedback system' has not been suggested before, correct me if I'm wrong.

I did not even suggest to the point that anyone if obligated to 'sit around and help' to decide our prices for our sales.

My price check suggestion would simply clean up the 'price check system' a little, as with the current method, it's messy and all over the place.

Also the fact that 'nothing gets done' within them.

No one is currently obligated into providing a price check at the moment, so why would that change?

Of course it is voluntary, however it would provide a cleaner method of obtaining a price check.

Please read the topic before posting.

This must be the 5th time I am mentioning this, I read the DO NOT SUGGEST list and edited one of my post within this topic stating that I had retracted my reputation system suggestion but kept it in OP as a 'back-up' to my argument on the feedback system.

Although a couple of my suggestions may have been denied in the past, a change in mind and a change in the current situation(s) may hopefully deter that decision.

In my personal opinion, if a 'feedback system' were to be introduced, or even trialed, I think a majority of people would locate another users feedback thread (as they do now with vouch thread), along with their vouch thread, and decide how trusted the user is before a trade commences.

I definitely think it would add an extra 'touch of trust' as part of a user.

However, all you're opinion are valid and I do understand your point of view, as I used to share the same view with vouches.

But since there is a flaw point in the current vouch system, I think a 'back-up of trust' should be implemented alongside the current vouch system.

Thanks for your comments.

 

You do have a point, and even I would be willing to trial, now let's go to the Hypothetical part where this "system" was accepted for trial.

Can you create it for this vBulletin version?

 

I'm sure a simple coding can fix it, even if it were not available.

I've also seen a script where it prevents double posting by combining the original post with the doubled post.

I may also suggest that either from this post right now or in the near-future.

However it is merely a simple poll attached to a topic.

It would be exactly like the current 'vouch section' where post count does not rise.

As currently in the RuneScape Markets section, there have been multiple people already displaying a predicament overview of what I've been trying to point out, which is that the current price check method is barely noticed which is basically 'forcing' users to create their own price check topics in random sections.

Examples include the following:

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?p=9330082

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1195934

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1195975

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1195039

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1195268

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1194631

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1194934

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1193618

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1189802

And they are from the first few pages of the Market Lounge sub-section alone.

To sum up, the current price check method is not noticed by the majority of people, so therefore if it were to be renovated with a newly introduced Price Check sub-section, I think it would actively involve the community in personal account discussions and price checking.

Hopefully this enforces my suggestion a little.

 

I support all these suggestions, but people think the rep system will fail...bla bla bla.

I've seen this system work well in many different forums without abuse.

 

More evidence to support my new cleaner Price Check method suggestion:

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?p=9339274#post9339274



As depicted by the image, many people ignore the use of the Price Check topics stickied within each RuneScape accounts sub-section and simply create a topic of their own.

This ignorance would be rectified if their were a dedicated Price Check section for users to create their own topic, where post count does not rise.