Illegal Drugs

By your logic, if all drugs were to be legal, everyone would go out and do drugs and kill each other and steal and do bad things. Truth is, that's what could happen, doesn't meant it will. If the current illegal drugs were to become legal, there would be a law regarding public intoxication, just like there is with alcohol, which would give police something to do other than send people to jail for $20 worth of cannabis.

 

jesus,
you are dense

he was claiming that we should yearn for freedom
part of that freedom is being allowed to do whatever you want like buy any type of drug you want
part of this freedom does not include making "a law regarding public intoxication"


fact is, we have laws in place to protect ourselves. I for one would not like for anyone to be able to buy any sort of drug they want because they should be free to do so.

 

...? The topic at hand is illegal drugs, not being free to whatever you want. Yes you're right, we do have laws in place to protect "ourselves" but that doesn't mean people won't break them.

 

Ten years ago in Portugal they decriminalized all drugs. Instead of arresting someone and sending them to criminal court, they sent them to a special court, where they would be individually judged. If they were judged to be a casual user, with no real risk to themselves or others, they would be let go. However, if they were deemed an addict, they would be forced to attend some sort of treatment program. The results from this "test" have been incredible. Even though it is now legal, drug use has decreased!

Sauce:
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html

 

Source*

That is an interesting idea, and an interesting read. One thing to consider, however, is that US's population is almost 30 times than of Portugal's population. Would the concept still work well on such a larger scale?

Back to the main portion of the thread. I see people justifying legalizing marijuana, because alcohol actually causes more deaths/accidents. People seem to think two wrongs make a right. It's like their mentality is, oh hey, way more people die from alcohol than marijuana, so why not at least make marijuana legal? Wait, what? What kind of logical reasoning is that?

 

do not respond to my response to another person if you do now know what we are arguing about

ppl will always break laws, that does not mean we should just legalize everything

 

I'm all for weed legalization, other drugs can/should stay away and stay illegal.

 

Well, I wouldn't exactly consider Cannabis a wrong. My post was more pointing at the discrepancies in law regarding drugs like tobacco and alcohol, which clearly ARE harmful.

THC hasn't been definitively proved to be terribly bad for you. It has some data to do with developing mental disorders, but in most cases these are people who have genetic predispositions to things like Schizophrenia, or people who use it as frequently as one would drink a glass of water. Putting the filterable carcinogens aside it's really not that harmful to the masses and its effect is different from other drugs which can often make people violent and harmful to others. If any psychoactive drug should be legal Cannabis should be. Hell, we'd probably see far less drinking-related deaths.

 

People should be free to do what they please to their own bodies. However, I do think that there should be certain things relating to the use of drugs made illegal. For example, drug use in public, being a nuisance while under the influence of drugs, selling to minors, etc.

 

I didn't necessarily mean your argument, sorry if I implied that. I just meant more so in general. It's probably the most common argument I hear people bring up as to why other drugs should be legalized. I agree, alcohol does more harm than most drugs, but I don't think that somehow justifies other drugs being legalized, rather it means that alcohol should be better regulated.

As to the tobacco part, I really don't think that is a valid point in this discussion. I've never heard of someone robbing a convenience store, raping someone, or getting into a car accident, because they were under the influence of tobacco. I think this is talking more about the drugs that can negatively impact others, versus drugs that can only hurt the user. At the same time, I am no way condoning the use of tobacco as it is definitely bad for you.

 

Weed doesn't make people do that either buddy, and that's the main psychoactive I'm referring to. By all means keep the more harmful ones illegal, but for something which does very little it's a wonder people believe all they're fed in the media.

It's almost as if the masses put everything on par with Heroin, and that's not the case at all.

 

Actually look at marijuana why is it illegal its not illegal for reason it has many reasons to do with it was considered a vice like drinking. Therefore getting legalized back in the 1930's when most of these drugs became illegal. Yes some have significant effects though it is persons own right to do what they want with themselves. Unless it is harming others and i believe if you do drugs of any type you should not get payed treatment by the government and tax payers for your own problem there should be help groups but other than that the person doing the drug to excess amount and hurting others should be penalized with jail time or a fine.

 

I believe that street drugs should be illegal, just as I agree that prescription drugs that have illegal counterparts that do more good than the prescription drug itself, should also be illegal, and the illegal counterpart should be legal.

Many drugs pose risks not only to the user, but to others, as well. I.e.: a person taking methamphetamine's might rob a store, or steal a car, or kill someone, etc, etc.

Our society doesn't need people like that roaming around. Therefore, it's only logical that those things be illegal.

It isn't as though we could say, "Okay, you guys can do whatever the hell you want, just stay inside with it.", because that has been seen time and time before not to work.

A law against public intoxication wouldn't work, either, because I know MANY people who're always high on ex and coke, and it's not publicly obvious. However, what goes on in the eyes of others, and what goes on in the head, are two very different things.

EDIT: I believe that psychedelics should be legal for recreational use.

 

i did not expose my logic. i commented on another persons logic and applied it to something else.

also, you comment does not even make sense

i never stated that everyone would go out and do drugs and kill eachother. i simply stated that we should not seek unrealistic absolute freedom at the expense of important boundaries.


also, the person i was responding to was arguing that we should legalize it because we value freedom and having legal access to drugs increases our freedom. i do not think he would have included, illogically, that we should limit those very freedoms by imposing restrictions on drug buyers and users.

 

Yeah you're right, you didn't expose your logic, but it was implied, or atleast I read it that way.

 

No... illegal drugs should be kept illegal... Because if not the Mexican Drug Cartels will basically declare war on the border and kill a bunch of innocent people. And before you say anything about the fucking U.S. army being able to defend us, most of the Mexican Army/Police force is part of the Drug Cartels. Sure you might still be thinking, the U.S. army can take them. That's until they get together with the American mob and all the asian drug cartels. And that's not all, wait until the Colombian and Dutch drug cartels join in. And while they're at war with the US, it'll be highly possible that Al-Qaida will ally them.

 

The U.S government is working with the cartels it gives peoples jobs that's my theory.

 

What kind of jobs? Where did you read this?

 

they should stay illegal, but they should bust more people.

 

LOL

They hand pills out in Florida like fuckin candy!
They do so much damage and cost SO MUCH money up north..

Ruins lives... Government loves addiction..

Legal: Alcohol, Tobacco, Opiates; including codeine, oxycontin, alot of painkillers (All very dependent drugs)

Illegal: Marijuana and Shrooms (Only psychologically addictive)

Meaning, the legal drugs, make you crave them after your prescription is done. If your body needs them everyday, and you stop taking them, HELL. You will throw up, shake, get cold, get hot, feel like shit, for a week.. USA USA