[Denied] Rsps section drop trading rule.

What do you mean the gold being traded on a private server is being outsourced? You mean dropshipping?

What checks would be necessary to avoid a ban? And are sellers being punished for buyers being banned?

Sounds like buyers should be required to record their transactions to be protected in the case of a report.

 

Just say the recording must start prior to confirmation on both ends being submitted during trade window and must not end til the transaction is completed. You can also make it so gyazo video links are only accepted, or an alternative form of media that cannot be altered in it’s original state.

To combat manipulation of said media, only allow 1 link to be permissible in the report. If you thoroughly explain the Do’s & Do Not’s in the sticky then it should be easy to handle in reports. I’m not sure if it is possible, but it should be made so the new sticky must be viewed before entering said forum/posting.

 

The only logical solution to this problem is to get unaltered video evidence of the trade commencing. Still-images or chat texts are insufficient proof to verify a complete trade. I’m not saying it should be mandatory to record a trade being done, but instead it being for protections when it comes to making a report.

In response to your earlier points, I am saying to start the video recording at the time of the trade commencing, not at the beginning of a conversation between both parties being had. In the video, it must show the profile of the user in the trade, the chat text verifying both parties are in the trade window (for example; “this is you?”), and both parties accepting the trade window for a complete transaction. There are other alternatives to Gyazo. This again is just a suggestion of the type of software that cannot be altered.

It is also important to come to the realization that not every trade is done so in a way that follows procedures in stickies to a tee. The purpose of the stickies is to not put blame on the outlet (Sythe), that allows these trades to happen. It is best to view it as a guide/warning for optimal trade practices.

 

I had typed out a very long response with an inordinate amount of rambling but decided to pull back and list some takeaways.

- Some RSPS traders do not play on the servers that they advertise on. This is especially true for someone trying to sell on multiple servers at once. That means they don't know much about the intricacies of the server, or about the staff team, or money makers. Their knowledge about the server is very limited.

- There is a base level of deception that happens when buyers might inquire about bans and what they can do to get ahead of it (e.g disputes that have buyers saying "I asked to not be given a venny account but was given one anyway!"). Some RSPS traders write off bans as entirely luck based rather than looking at empirical insights such as logs/monitoring/alerting that RSPS staff use.

- RSPS Traders very rarely actually PERSONALLY verify if someone has the RSPS GP they intend to sell, so they end up blindly middlemanning trades. The reasons for this vary, sometimes they're banned on the server, sometimes they're afraid to log on and flag an account with their IP, etc.


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There's multiple points in the trade where things can go wrong:

- The "supplier" can lie to the RSPS Trader and say they have a certain amount of GP even though they don't.
- The buyer can lie to the RSPS trader and say they never received the gold.


From the supplier side, I'd say you need an RSPS trader to be able to produce evidence that GP existed pre-sale on any kind of dispute (an image can be tampered with too easily). Screen sharing live while the sale is conducted would be a good example of decent proof. If a dispute arises and the RSPS trader cannot prove without a reasonable doubt that the exact GP existed pre-sale, then a TWC on 1st offense, DNT 2nd offense etc is warranted, imo.

The buyer side is going to be a lot more difficult to verify, but from personal experience I know it's not very easy to move GP around on RSPS without setting off alarms, so the buyer would be doing themselves more harm than good trying to do additional xfers after receiving the GP from the sale itself which can further alert RSPS staff and increase the buyers odds of being banned. I'm pointing this out because staff saying "we cant possibly know what happened in the seconds/minutes after you said the gold was xferred/handed off", and that thinking is not exactly 1:1 to OSRS because nonchalantly trying to move that GP an additional time will greatly put the buyer at risk. Repeat customers in RSPS understand this relatively well.

 

The seller should be responsible for delivery concerns by default. In theory they should be required to have a "system" in place that protects them and the buyer.

Outsourcing exists in every market, if there is a concern a seller doesn't have stock they should be forced to show current stock to sythe staff if requested, as required in other sections if they have something for sale they may have to prove it.

 

Agreed, put liability on the seller, from there lineair responsability to supplier in case of disputes, I'd highly recommend screenshare as a requirement from the moment login data is provided & showing the entire login process from the buyer. Then there's little to nothing that could go wrong

 

I believe we can establish clear guidelines for these types of trades to help prevent scams. One effective method would be to require a screenshare where the gold supplier logs into the account that will provide the gold. The supplier should remain on screenshare while sharing their account information with the middleman.

Then, the buyer initiates their own screenshare to enter their account details, but stops before clicking "login". At this point, the middleman can ask the supplier to log off. This way, the buyer is ready to log in immediately as soon as the supplier is off the account, ensuring there's no time for the someone to transfer the gold elsewhere.

Additionally, implementing a PIN on the account can further protect against unauthorized access and an additional potential of the gold ending up in the wrong hands. This eliminated any risks, as the pin will be provided after the buyer logs in the account which eliminates any risk of another party gaining access to the account with the gold since they are not able to do anything without the pin.

I know I’m not an expert in RSPS trades, but I believe these measures can be straightforward to implement and could significantly improve the trading environment for everyone involved in the RSPS section.

Please feel free to share your opinons and how we can implement some rules which can insure the trades going smoothly for all parties involved, may it be using some of what I listed and mixing it up with other methods such as an obligation of recording of the whole trade going on with screenshares etc or may it be something completley different! Please do not hesitate to share your opinions even if you think what you are saying sounds stupid... I am looking forward to reading your responses!

 

Disband RSPS section! - jokes aside

I agree with the following;

• Assign responsibility to the person who suggests the trading method first.

 

This, but all the big ass donors should know enough to avoid the drop method..... if they're the ones who suggest doing it they should be slapped with a TWC just for suggesting it cause they know they can get away with a easy scam because of it.

 

Dont get involved

 

RSPS trading with handling over an account, is a method where everything can go wrong and there is no way to proof who is liable.
Buyer can take/drop the gold then saying, there wasn‘t any gold on the account.
Seller could possibly log into the account and take the gold themself.
Outsourced person can put gold on the account, send proof of gold to the seller and then remove the gold.

i personally see only 1 possibility here, where staff can get involved in a dispute.
Both people need to screenshare through call that the details are being handled over and the buyer logging in. The seller should record this transaction for further proof.

If we take the tos of Zulu:

Spoiler

This tos can possibly be abused by the sellers to remove any liabality. Making it easier for the scammers and ban evaders in this section to scam others.