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Discussion in 'RuneScape 3 Cheating' started by JaminB, Feb 15, 2011.

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What Bots do you want to come preloaded in Bot Tech VPS?

  1. Power Bot

    15 vote(s)
    13.4%
  2. RSBuddy

    22 vote(s)
    19.6%
  3. RuneDev

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  4. NeXus

    62 vote(s)
    55.4%
  5. RiD

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  1. Slice`

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    At the moment what I'm hearing is this:

    An inexperienced user is setting up "large" commercial boxes in his home, for the purpose of commercial use and distribution. Error number 1.

    Said user expects to break even with ridiculously low pricing, not to mention he hasn't yet realized he'll need multiple IP's, a good network infrastructure, and stable power + cooling to keep this going, which chances are - his network/house/area is currently not outfitted with.

    Furthermore, said user - having what seems like minimal to no linux experience, is going to attempt to host multiple VM's simultaneously, offering managed support on each - single handedly.

    THIS should be interesting.

    By the way, 5-6 bots = 3GB RAM minimum, not including one hell of a processor (at the very least one Xeon 3.0GHZ quad, if not two). Good luck on your sales anyway - and please treat this as a learning experience.
     
  2. JaminB

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    haha appreciate the vote of confidence. I mean yes I am inexperienced in the sense this is my first time setting up a VPS however this is not my first time setting up a large network. We are hosting at multiple IPs so this isn't taking place in one location. I don't know where you would get the idea that I'm not an experienced linux user. I practically breath linux.... (sorry if this sounds arrogant)

    As far as power yes this is a problem and that is why, currently we are so cheap because I don't want people paying for an $30.00 for a $15 dollar experience.

    Have a little confidence. This may be my first time to VPS but I'm not ignorant to what it takes to set up a large network. Everyone has to start somewhere.
     
  3. JaminB

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    Just added another server 3gb server!
     
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    Nexus is the most common one. I would suggest using that to preload
     
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    It's already preloaded!
     
  6. JaminB

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    By the way guys RiD uses winAPI to move the mouse so you would either need to run windows to do that or virtualcomp with windows inside of it...

    since there is no OS that is more perfect for hackers to play around in I'm opting for the second option but obviously because of the MASSIVE amount of resources it takes to run a virtual machine this will only be offered in our 4gb servers.
     
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    By the way all of our bots are preloaded with both NeXus and rsbuddy. Both of these clients are safe and closed source. On our servers Nexus comes preloaded with all of the free scripts and you are given the necessary information to log into our official Rsbuddy account and use over 100+ bots loaded in our repository.
     
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    While he might be trying to do to many things at once, he does know his stuff. If he comes through with half of the stuff he said his serivce will offer, then he'll be getting a lot of interested buyers. While I don't see his service becoming extremely popular overnight I can see it being one of the top providers within a few months. (Edit - By this i mean vps service dedicated to botting)
     
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    I would love to try this if still available for try.
     
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    If I purchased this? I would effectively be paying for shared use of a Linux server on a small home-grade connection with no SLA, and 1 shared, most likely to be banned soon, IP address?
     
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    If this was the case, then you wouldn't be hosting these servers in your home on single ipv4 networks backed by no redundancies, no prime switches, and quite frankly - no network protections in any way shape or form. Before attempting to state otherwise - please note that most half-decent network protection utilities (namely Cisco Guard technology, for instance) will range anywhere from four-figures, to five or more. You would be paying more for protection than for your hardware.

    As far as linux goes, what container manager are you using? What measures are being taken to prevent cross contamination? What happens if a user gains root access to the host node? What redundancies are in place? What happens in the case of a surge? Is your hardware industry grade? Or home-user/gamer grade?

    These are all factors to consider - as your clients are paying you not only for a VPS, but also a user-backed guarantee of longevity. You are asking for comparable prices to other top hosts, without the technology that the top hosts provide. What are you providing that's different/better than established hosts?

    At the moment, I see that your main selling point is the fact that your VM's come preloaded with the bot clients. As far as the industry is concerned, this is VERY easy to do (create an image of everything preloaded, and load on each container make). Past that, I only see detriments to the way you're running the business (home-hosted servers in unsafe conditions, no redundancies of any kind, single IP networking, no network protections, sub-grade hardware, etc.)

    If you are actually serious about this - I would suggest you invest in some SERIOUS hardware (will probably cost you upwards from $8k per box, since your main focuses will be RAM and processing capacity), and go colo at a reputable DC.
     
  12. ! ! Zockloros ! !

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    I would prefer RSBuddy
     
  13. JaminB

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    The locations that I'm hosting at are only temporary. As I have mentioned once this gets off the ground I'm moving all my servers to a safer location. You mentioned network protection and protection for my hardware. As far as Network protection I have we run 3 firewalls. One is local on the our actual VPS from there all of our traffic is redirected through to a squid proxy server which runs a firewall on it that specifically blocks the extremely high port range. Finally there is the router firewall which is at least sufficient in blocking anonymous Internet requests. To answer your question about hardware protection we use Total Surge Cancellation (TSC) technology which by the way is industrial grade. By the way I have worked on many large networks that have never relied on high-end firewalls and have never been attacked by anything worse than a DDOS.

    Again I would like to specify that our servers are hosted in multiple locations all protected with the same tech.

    You got me about the container manager. I haven't implemented the use of this yet. I have talked to the others about this and were eventually going to move toward using Parallels Virtuozzo Containers to maximise efficiency. As far as a user gaining root access I don't see how this would happen. I have run it through several bruteforce/dictionary attacks and it hasn't been broken. However if it does we do have a fall back. All of our servers have specific logs of who logged in when. If someone does manage to gain root access from an IP address that is not on our ok'd on our network the admins are immediately notified (via program I wrote that moniters who is currently logged in). In this case we would shut down the infected server change all of the root password and supply the users on that server with new login credentials. But this is a worse case scenario and I doubt this will ever happen. If the hacker happened to cause damage to the system this wouldn't be a problem either since our servers have schedule backup to a group of mirrored servers which we can then use to repair any damage done. Our servers are gamer grade not industrial grade (another thing I will eventually change.)

    haha were cheaper and not at all as unsafe as you seem to think. We lack power and that is where we lag behind "established hosts." But in all honesty people want reliability and support, power will come eventually. But it takes money to make money and we're in the making money stage at the moment. Not trying to sound cliché but didn't Microsoft and Apple start in garages?

    I have already specified that we (as far as your small hosting service goes) have more than safe conditions and many redundancies in place to make sure people don't lose there personal information or the money that they are spending on our service. I encourage people since we are new on the block to not bot there mains but try out a throwaway account on one of our free scripts at least until we are established enough that those who doubt are legitimacy learn to trust us.

    How bout this I'll add a donate button below and you can feel free to donate that money instead of constantly criticising our business model. Once we have enough money we can invest in bigger and better servers.

    https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=VT2RZUVUWN7FN
     
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    Ok I have two beta slots open PM me to try.
     
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    I have a 2gb session open and ready to bot PM me if you want to buy it for only $15.99.
     
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    Pmed you.
     
  17. 123allan123

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    I pmed u to.
     
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    Ready to buy a 2gb $15.99 when you are :)
     
  19. Slice`

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    Firstly, software firewalls do nothing if you're getting enough traffic to saturate your hardware ports. Secondly, you never addressed the redundancy issues. Thirdly, I'm simply making sure that you know what you're getting into before you end up having to drop clients due to malpractice.
     
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    Honestly, thanks for your concern I have seen people try and fail setting up VSP networks and there biggest problem is running into the problems you mentioned. I thought I did mention our fail-safe system if an unwanted user gains root access. We also have backup generators in case of a power failure.
     
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