[denied] Require Pricing For Sale Of Accounts

Im glad to see this thread is picking back up. I would also like to put a few other points :

1. While prices are definitely one that would be great to have updated as often as possible, I also believe stock counts should be included. Whether we agree to have "In Stock/Out of Stock" as a middle-ground, I think it would be great. Nothing is worse than trying to find an account, finding a thread, having to join their discord, just to see that the account is out of stock once again, and have to leave yet another discord.

2. I think that @owned said it best. The current forum is a seller-focused, however I think businesses(if we want to call them that), should be buyer-focused. Not only does this help prevent wasted time from buyers, but also will help sellers have quicker sales and less users trying "time wasting".

3. The way it feels recently, is a lot of discord are just trying to funnel customers into their discord to sell their other products as well. The rules currently would not stop me from having two accounts listed on a thread like the following :

• Account 1 : Vorkath Account : $14.99 (Extremely below market)
  
• Account 2 : Barrows Gloves Account : $29.99 (Let's assume this is an accurate market price)

Sellers could just stock a single Vorkath account every month or so, and then just add other accounts. People would want to join their discord for the Vorkath accounts thinking they were in stock and available, when in reality, they almost never are. They could even go as far as to say they sell the cheapest accounts, and only list the price for the Vorkath account, and not the others, making buyers assume their prices really are extremely low across the board.

I want to bring a few threads up, and this is in no way against any sellers, and hopefully we can all come to a conclusion that helps grow a competitive, and overall better marketplace.

https://www.sythe.org/threads/55-do...ined-no-email-set100-safe-tutorial-acc-ready/
- In this thread, can anyone tell me what accounts are being sold? No prices anywhere, no accounts listed anywhere, no information other than their discord link. It overall feels like a funnel into their discord to sell their services.

https://www.sythe.org/threads/mod-300-donor-2-5k-vouches-sote-accounts/
- In this thread, not only is no price listed, the thread is used to funnel you to their discord. Once you join their discord, there is not even a price listed inside the discord. You then have to make yet another step of creating a ticket, to request information to get the price.

Spoiler: Discord Image

https://www.sythe.org/threads/gg-ma...uilt-accounts-raids-ready-alts-1-7b-giveaway/
- In this thread, the user mentions having 2 in stock, but says their price may not be updated, and best to check their discord. When you join their discord, no accounts are listed, and you have to open a ticket in their discord to see what they have available.

Spoiler: Discord Image

Now, I definitely want to say, there are some sellers on the forums that do a fantastic job at keeping their stock updated, and their prices listed clearly on their threads. I do want to say though, if you all want to continue saying that it takes too much effort to update their threads on Sythe, then their discord should DEFINITELY have updated price and stock, right?

 

Honestly even if this passed, as a business I would just keep my original advertisement post and add a cheapest account to a spoiler with an actually higher price(so bored autists wouldn't report it) and I wouldn't be bothered with it anymore.

Basically all this would do is annoy a bunch of people having to update their topics, and we would go back to how it's always been.(just like irl politics)

 

We can all agree that some business owners are not going the extra mile to make their sales funnel as seamless and convenient as possible. As well, we can agree that this creates annoyances and inconveniences for potential buyers/collaborators. In the end though, no conventionally agreed upon contracts are being broken by someone not putting the price of their stock out on front street.

It's like a menu. We don't put the cost of our crème brulée on the front door - If you want to see the price, you'll have to come in and grab a menu (akin to coming into their discord and looking at their listed prices from there). Annoying when you're looking at 5 crème brulée shops and want all of the information possible before committing to entering a shop? Sure. So egregious that it should be ruled against, and laws passed to stop it? I'm not entirely convinced.

There's nothing wrong with this.

Yes and yes. This line is entirely too blurred between incorrect reporting of stock counts and false advertising and so could be reasonably ruled against in some capacity. Seeing an account or some other thing for purchase posted only to find that the person doesn't have it, hasn't had it and won't have it is entirely too frustrating as a buyer.

Business owners could still incorrectly report stock counts or forget altogether but with some in-forum functionality around stock-counts and a broadly worded rule around updating said counts, this issue should be lessened over time. There could be a 15/30-day notice sent to the thread owners messages/alerts around updating a 'stock count element' within their threads to make it easier for them to navigate to each of the elements across all of their pages. Not sure if this is the best method of a possible implementation but it's one.

 

I agree with this completely, it’s unprofessional as fuck.

I only buy from those that either have a website where I can see prices, or put prices in thread.

Any honorable businessman wouldn’t show such bottom scraper behavior.

 

Support.
Like others have stated, I'm sure some of the people listing the accounts may not even have that account in stock but are rather just trying to get people to join their servers, thus maybe eliminating some ongoing bogus bumping. I've personally always treated it as 'no price listed = overpriced'.
Understandably, it may be difficult for the larger sellers to list prices of the accounts as they're always being sold and they have a large stock of accounts but I see it being a lot more convenient and user-friendly for people coming to Sythe and looking for an account to purchase. Rather than having to join a Discord, open a ticket and wait for a response just to find out it might be above someones budget. Saves a lot of hassle for buyers and makes Sythe a way more buyer-friendly site.

Also, some people don't even have an account listed for sale, they just have their GFX stating they sell accounts or they have an "example account", I feel as if that's false advertising in a way.

Example:
https://www.sythe.org/threads/43196...remote-jobdiscounts-up-to-40-hcim-ultimategp/
No account listed, no example account and no prices posted.

https://www.sythe.org/threads/10-ye...stash-com-main-low-level-accounts-2k-vouches/
No account listed, "example account" listed but broke img and no prices posted.

https://www.sythe.org/threads/900-v...low-level-mains-300-donor-10th-year-on-sythe/
No account listed, no example account and no prices posted.

https://www.sythe.org/threads/43237...t-main-iron-hcim-pureand-more-crypto-osrs-gp/
Again, no account listed, no example account and no prices posted.

https://www.sythe.org/threads/500-donor-2200-total-ironman-infernal/
A very well put together posting of an account for sale, no price posted and you look in their Discord for the account and it's no where to be found. Do they even have the account?

(not trying to single out these people, just using as an example)

 

Strongly support this motion.

The current situation is a nightmare of frustration from a buyers perspective. As pointed out by other users, the lack of information in the threads in general (no price, no information about the specific item being sold but rather a template/example product, broken links, etc.) is obviously deliberate by sellers, who only refer to their discord. It's not reasonable to have to join a new discord for every seller just to get the basic information such as prices about the listing. This only gets worse as many sellers don't even have prices available in their own discords, but instead tell you to "open a ticket", only to have a response hours later. In the end you fill your discord with 100 servers you never visit only because you wanted to know the price of something. As it stands right now, the market sections are just a yellow-pages for discord servers and not actual buy/sell threads.

I could not imagine browsing Amazon and have to email every single seller about the price of the product or ask them to send pictures etc. because they refuse to post information for some unknown reason... how this exasperating situation has not been addressed is a mystery to me.

Regarding the claim that it'd be untenable for sellers; I believe it's their responsibility. Look anywhere; prices in supermarkets, physical shops, e-commerce and online stores are updated regularly to reflect fluctuations, it's part of the job. This point is quite bizarre to me, it's just the bare minimum to post basic information about a product you are selling, such as the price.

I want to add, I believe this should apply to all market threads, not just accounts.

 

See, this is why I believe all accounts sold on the site should require pricing.

 

I definitely didn't want it to seem that I was calling people out maliciously. However it does it get a bit annoying as a customer trying to find accounts when you have to go to about 20 different places to find an account.

Glad you took some of the advice