Luring is scamming is cheating is glitching is stealing is phishing

Can someone please explain to me the difference between scamming someone out of 10 mil by switching d-bones to b-bones in the trade window AND luring them into the wildy to kill them and loot their stuff? Or the difference between using a bug to boost your defence by 50 percent at the duel arena and dominating your opponent out of the 20 mil stake OR posting a phishing link on sythe just to log on to their account and steal that 20 mil yourself? The difference between running from a deathmatch, against someone who wouldn't have ran if they were losing OR stealing 25 bucks from a random kid's mom's paypal? It's all the same. You are lying to another real person and you are stealing from another real person. Luring is scamming is cheating is glitching is stealing is phishing.

 

Tell that to the person who scammed my 1 bil.

 

im just glad this game is moving towards reality.

face it, stupid people get scammed.
oblivious people get scammed

the obvious remedy is to not be stupid and keep your eyes open!

 

Does it make you feel good about scamming stupid people?

 

If you get scammed you deserved it. If you were stupid enough to fall for the scam, well thats why they exist, because scammers know stupid people like you will fall for them. Also, your in the CHEATING section of a CHEATING website so dont expect people to agree with you.

 

i dont scam ppl
i laugh at scammers because of how stupid their attempts are
i laugh at ppl who get scammed because of how stupid they must be

 

Scamming, Cheating and glitching are abusing flaws in the system. People abusing them are (knowingly or not) abusing something that was never intended to be abused in such way.

Luring is abusing flaws of dumb/ignorant people.

Luring definatly is in the grey zone, but is definatly not the same as scamming, exploiting or everything else you said. People entering the wilderness are well aware (Big popup box) of the risks involving that action. People luring other peope can only do so because other people let them.

 

I think it also has to do with age and maturity. The younger you are you just look at it as " ohh RSGP im going to steal it " as to when you get older and more mature, its not such a big deal to you anymore.

Maybe that's just how I feel?

 

Luring is punishing the dumb kids lol

 

Its very comforting to see that there are, in fact, people on here with strong morals.

 

Believe me, if I had the chance I'd put a bullet through his kneecaps.

Why would you be glad this game is moving towards reality? The only reason anyone would want that is so they could experience reality. If you want to experience reality, shut your computer off and take a trip to New York City. People get scammed there all the time, and nobody is happy about the scamming just because it's one of the aspects of reality. The reality of it is, in the real world, reality, if you steal from someone, or hurt someone, or scam someone, there's a possibility you will get shot, or beat up or have your house burnt down. If not that, you'll get sent to prison. And bad things happen in prison. Things far worse than losing 1 BIL RSGP or a partyhat. Reality is not a pretty thing and people do not play RuneScape to experience reality, they play RuneScape to get away from reality. I’m not personally bashing you, I just have a hard time expressing myself in a neutral tone when I feel strongly about what I’m talking about. But I do agree with you that the obvious remedy to is be aware of what is going on and why things are happening. I do want us to both acknowledge that while stupid people get scammed, stupid people are not the only people to get scammed. There are many, many smart, experienced players who have lost items or money here or there simply because they didn’t understand what was going on or they were just not paying attention. Worse than that, as players get smarter, scammers get smarter. As your defense upgrades, your opponent’s offense will have to upgrade in order to compete.

I can only hope and pray that you will get scammed out of something more important than RuneScape items or GP. Perhaps a couple thousand dollars of REAL LIFE MONEY. This is money you can’t get back just by botting. To get it back you need more than just a computer connection and a keyboard. Don’t include me in your comment about “stupid people” If I’m not already, I surely have the potential to become more intelligent than your entire household collectively. I’m glad that you pointed out I am in the CHEATING section of a CHEATING website. Because now I get to point out that you are in fact the stupid person here. First of all Sythe is absolutely NOT a cheating website. I count 60 different sections here on Sythe to post in and the “RuneScape 2 Cheating” section is just one out of those 60. Certainly there are more subsections than that, but personally I don’t think I’m willing to expel any more energy than I have to in writing this response to you, and me going out of my way just to count the sections was quite a stretch. Second of all, what better place would there be to address a topic about cheating than the cheating section??? Pastors don’t preach at business seminars. Teachers don’t teach at hospitals. And auto-mechanics don’t fix stuff at retail stores. Why would I go to any other section of this site, to state my opinion about the topic of cheating than the CHEATING SECTION??? Your lack of logic is of a level I have never personally witnessed before.

Like I said earlier, not all people who fall for scams are stupid. It’s in a sense like magic. A good magician could fool a audience of college professors. The better the scammer, the better the scam and the smarter the scammee can be.. Is that a word? It is now. If the scammer is dumb, then yes, it would take a dumb person to fall for that scammer. But there are smart scammers just like there are smart people.

I agree that this all falls into abusing flaws in the system, but I’d like to know the difference between scamming someone out of 20 mil and luring someone for 20 mil. Definition of scam: to victimize; to deprive of by deceit. Nobody in their right mind can dispute that luring is not scamming. It is taking advantage of another player’s lack of experience, trust, or for lack of a better term, stupidity, to deprive them of their items and money. There is no grey area. It is stealing, lying, cheating, and it’s wrong.

Yes I completely agree with you. Scamming is in a sense a form of immaturity. When you’re young, the other players are just pixels and it doesn’t matter what happens to them as long as it’s not you. It takes a mature person to consciously recognize that other players are in fact other real people and stealing from them in a game is no different than stealing from them in real life. I’d like to point out before any of the dumb scamming trolls try to “get me on a technicality,” that even though the items are virtual the time it took to acquire them was real. Any college economics professor will tell you that all resources are limited. A resource could be anything from money to wood to water to coal. And there is no dispute in the statement that time IS a resource. So you might not be stealing their “real life cash” but you are stealing their real life time and time is just as precious a resource as anything.

I kinda have to laugh at this. I don’t like scammers or liars or thieves, but this is a very funny way to add it all up. Props.

It’s nice for me to know that I’m not the only one out there who still cares about “morals.” Half the kids here don’t know what that word means. And especially considering since, and I’m referencing a comment made by “i dcoidua i,” “WERE IN THE CHEATING SECTION OF A CHEATING WEBSITE.” (Say with extreme sarcasm.)

 

I support everything you have said except about glitching. Glitching is fun to do / find glitches.

 

Runescape =/= real life. Scamming, glitching, hacking etc are all part of it welcome to the internet. If you are foolish enough to click that link, be so greedy as to not notice the item swap/walk into multiwild, or smart enough to figure out a glitch then you deserve the respective consequence for that action.

 

I support some glitches actually, just not ones that affect other players. If you find a glitch that lets you get 1m dung xp an hour then by all means use it! Once you've got 99 dung on all your accounts share it! But there are glitches that put other players at a disadvantage. The one I referenced was at one time a real glitch. It has since been patched. But since you are increasing your defence by 50% you are putting your opponent at a disadvantage and they really have no control as to the direction of the fight. It is a form of scamming in my opinion, but I do not consider those who do it as low as I do those who actually scam, or phish or lure.

Karl, I made it very clear that Runescape has a direct relation with real life because TIME is REAL and Runescape takes TIME. Scamming, hacking, glitching are all part of real life. They did not originate in the virtual world of Runescape. There is a huge difference between ignorance and stupidity. Ignorance is never have being taught, stupidity is not understanding/remembering what you were taught. You can not honestly tell me that a 10 year old boy deserves to have his account hacked, liquidized for GP, then sold to "Gold4RS" purely because he did not know that there are such, and pardon my french, "shitbags" in the world that are looking and willing to take advantage of him. Do not even begin to tell me that if you are not smart enough to figure out a glitch you don't deserve the glitch or you that you do deserve to be put at a disadvantage by another player using the glitch. You have absolutely NEVER discovered a glitch in Runescape, and I'll bet 1,000,000,000 RSGP that you never will. Speaking of scams, take a look at your trading history. It's in your signature. 1 bad trade and 0 good trades? You're 40 dollars in the hole and you're speaking on behalf of the people that scammed you. You either fall into the category of "Stupid" (not learning or remembering what you were taught) or you don't remember what it felt like to have 40 dollars stolen from you by a person you will never be able to confront.

I honestly cannot believe the kind of crap I read on the internet from other people. Stealing is wrong whether it's in real life or on the internet and you should know that, but I guess I can't expect much from a guy who goes by the name KarlMarxx.

 

Point 1: A 10 year old shouldn't be on the internet, or Runescape they should be maturing and socializing in a society that's majority is 13-19 year olds. That's dumb.

Point 2: People take risks all the time the players even if they are 10 understand they are gaining something that may be considered too good to be true. For instance, the "party hat in bank if you give me your password" scam; even if the player is 10 and know what a partyhat is they understand that they are doing something that requires no work and is HIGH RISK. I was scamming at age 12, surely I got some people that were older than I.

Point 3: I had a bad trade, it was not a scam but I am $40 in the hole. This is comparable to buying a car in real life and having a tire blow out. Bitch about the previous owner if you will its your problem now.

There are no morals on the internet that's why over half of the billions of webpages are Pornography. Games allow a release for actions and thoughts that may otherwise be committed against somebody in real life. An RSGP (shouldn't legally) have any real life currency exchange, it does but only through blackmarket trade. When you play a game you understand you are building PIXELS not USD or any other form of cash.

If the loss of work is what you are worried about for these little 10 year olds, I say work on getting them off Runescape and to focus in school or helping their parents.

 

I think there's a somewhat clear line here. Although Runescape may take real life time to accomplish, it's still an online game that has no real effect on the livelihood of a person. You can't compare it to being cheated or robbed in real life because that kind of financial setback can actually change your life. You might experience total emotional distress from losing your precious rs pixels to a scam, lure or glitch but at the end of the day you'll be just fine, because its all a game, its all on a computer screen.

Scamming people off real money for RS deals though is definitely comparable to robbery in real life. Although it should be obvious, this being a community dedicated to breaking games rules, that many people here would want to break the law too, its still unacceptable.

 

tbh that is a very question what is the diffrence?

 

well thank you for your response swift.
while i found your posts presumptuous and condescending, they did have a small kernel of truth.

The gaps in your logic are huge:
"The only reason anyone would want that is so they could experience reality."
I would like the game to move more towards reality so that i can use skills i have gained in reality ingame. I am sure there are several reasons one might like this game to move towards reality. I am sure there is not one "only" reason

You sound as if you have a histrionic personality also.
(its on wiki, ill wait while u look it up)

In order to protect your ego, I am sure you will find this post shameful and off-topic.
Just remember, you used the same sort of stick man argument against Marx.

 

You’re going to have to forgive me if you thought I was rude in my last post, but I have a hard time not saying what I think the way I want to say it, and more than that, I really do have a extremely difficult time respecting anyone who goes by the alias KarlMarxx. That is not just a jab, it’s not a joke. It’s the way I think. If you’re not a communist, then that’s great. If you aren’t, you should know communism isn’t something that should be considered “cool” because of the retro aspect of it. And it’s certainly not a joke considering the direction of the country I am living in. But were not going to get into politics. I’m just letting you know my what I think.


Here’s my number one: If a ten year old doesn’t belong on Runescape where do they belong? Think back to when you were ten years old. Honestly I doubt you had much else on your plate besides school, homework, sleeping, eating and chores. Most ten year olds have quite simple lives, and Runescape could very possibly give them something to look forward to and to word towards.

My second point: How can you say that it is inappropriate for a ten year old to play Runescape while you yourself were playing by age 12? I’m sorry, you were scamming by age 12. Which means you were obviously more experienced than some of the other players in the game. So did you start at age eleven? Or ten? Or were you just a prodigal child. What makes it okay for a twelve year old to play Runescape while a ten year old is too young? You’ll have to explain that to me.

My third point: A child who is ten years old has no idea that there are scammers in Runescpape, let alone the real world. MOST ten year olds are very sheltered and do not have much real world experience that would lead them to believe that “There is no free lunch.” Not taking real world experience into account, I’m sure you might say in your next point that they should have had enough common sense to understand what was going on behind the scenes of their trade window. The human brain does not fully develop until age 25, so saying a ten year old “should have known better” is just about one of the most ridiculous things anyone could say. Children are easy to deceive. They are still learning, have a small amount of experience and they are very trusting. Taking advantage of those three traits and stealing from them and then blaming them for their lack of common sense is an absolutely absurd thing to say and I’m sure even the REAL Karl Marx would agree with me about that.

Point Number 4: Your example of a scam does not accurately convey how scams work. I doubt anyone using that scam was ever successful and if they were, then yes, the victim was very stupid, or very trusting. But scams are not as obvious as you have made them seem to be. Do you think the great Jojo3000 asked for peoples’ passwords when he was looking to scam them? No he did not, because it wouldn’t have worked. Scamming is not a simple process. A good scam involves ingenuity, the ability to understand people’s thoughts and motives without ever having the chance to see their face or hear their voice, and the ability to know when to cut your losses and move on. I highly doubt by age twelve, there are many, if any, kids who have developed these traits. On top of that, most people would have a hard time scamming anyone without them.

Point number 5: What is a scam if it is not a bad trade? 10 mil for 10k b-bones that you thought were d-bones isn’t a scam? Were going to call that a bad trade nowadays? No, it is a scam. You did not receive what you paid for and the trade was only possible through the implementation of deceit. Of course, you could tell me that I can’t call what happened to you a scam because you knew it was going to be a bad trade, but then I would call you dumb. You either got scammed, or you weren’t smart enough to make yourself aware of the situation, and that is how scammers operate, through deceit and less intelligent or less aware players.

Point number 6: There absolutely are morals on the internet. Just because you yourself might not possess any does not mean they do not exist. People should not steal in real life, and should not steal over the internet. Your logic implies that since other people do bad things, bad things are not bad anymore. Just because I read and hear about other people getting shot, or shooting, and I myself have a gun and a bullet does not mean I should go shoot someone with it. Just because you have access to porn does not mean you HAVE to view it. Games allow a break from reality. I don’t log on to Runescape to apply what I learned from my job. I don’t play Call of Duty to let people know how to install a light fixture. I play Runescape and I play xbox to relax and take my mind off of those things. If you play Runescape to hone your “real life skills” then you’d be better off logging out of RS and training your construction level to 99 with a real hammer and some real nails. The same goes for cooking. Or fishing. Or woodcutting.

And number 7: The fact that you tell me RSGP shouldn’t legally have a legitimate currency exchange absolutely disgusts me. Honestly that’s the kind of comment that would lead me to believe you are indeed a “real-life commy.” I live in America, and in America, the good Americans believe that we should be free to do what we want with what we have when we want to do it. We do not need Uncle Sam breathing over our shoulders regulating what we can do and how we can go about doing it. I’m sure that’s not how Karl Marx would have it, but that’s how George Washington wanted it. And George Washington player-owns Karl Marx.

Number 8:Without a doubt Andrew and Paul Gower, and the third co-founder of Jagex, and consequently Runescape, DID NOT INTEND FOR PEOPLE TO LURE AND SCAM AND PHISH AND CHEAT AND STEAL. But you, Karl Marx, are saying that it’s ok to do those things. Those same three people, also did not intend for Runescape money, to have a real life value attached to it, but you, Karl Marx, say that it should not have a real life value attached to it. How can you sit behind your computer monitor and tell me that it’s wrong to buy Runescape money with U.S. Dollars right after you justified stealing from and lying to ten year olds through the same game? Abusing flaws in the system and buying RS money with real U.S. Dollars is wrong, but abusing the same flaws in the system scam other players out of their hard work is ok? Come on, that’s ridiculous.

How can you tell me that playing Runescape is any different than using the computer for any other purpose? Is getting a college degree via online classes just as pointless as playing Runescape? By your logic, it should be. It’s all just pixels right??? What about the computerized Wall Street Stock Exchange? Do you mean to tell me that Wall Street has no significance purely because it’s built off of PIXELS? A maxed out zerker is an investment of hundreds of hours of playing time and an absurd amount of dedication. An online college degree is an investment of hundreds of hours and an absurdly high resistance to boredom. Just because the RS account pays off in the long run differently than the college degree does, does not mean it’s not an investment. And it also does not mean it does not have any real life value.

If you are accusing me of worrying about the loss of work for these ten year olds because I stand up to those people who steal from them, I could just as easily accuse you of the fear of work for yourself. What is communism other than an easy way to stay alive without having to work too hard and without ever having to worry about whether or not you’ll make this month’s quota. Legit players fear the loss of their work just as much as scammers and phishers fear the work itself.

What I just tried to was that whether or not Runescape does or should have a real life value attached to it, it does. Even if it didn’t have an assigned value in currency, it surely does in time. And we all know the equation “Time = Money.” This is especially true for me, because recently I have figured out that it is much more efficient to make money in real life and put that money towards Runescape money that it is to make the money on Runescape. I have a job in construction, I’m just starting out so I make ten dollars an hour. 10 dollars real money equals roughly 10 mil Runescape money. Which means it took me 1 hour to make 10 mil. If I were to make that same amount of money on Runescape it would take a lot longer. I’d guess 40 hours. I say 40 because most money making methods find a nice nitch in the GE price right around 250k per hour. Any more than that and buyers buy for less and any less and the sellers sell for more. So that means at 250k per hour, it would take me 5 days of playing 8 hours a day. Or I could go to work for 8 hours, spend ten bucks on Runescape, and pocket 70. No taxes for me btw Just don’t tell Karl.

Honestly buddy I don’t believe there is a difference.

Like I said in my response, I have a hard time expressing myself in a neutral tone, as you have so obviously taken offense to. You will have to forgive me for that.

There is still a huge gap in your logic. What better place to apply what you learned in real life, than real life. Like I said earlier in this post, and in my last post, real life experience applies to real life. Not Runescape. You have a choice between playing Runescape or using that time to accomplish things in reality. If you want to play Runescape, then play Runescape. If you want to experience reality, then shut your computer off, and go outside and experience “reality.” It’s as simple as that.

I’m not sure you have any clue about what Histrionic Personality Disorder is. First of all, I did look it up. I’m not a psychiatrist and I don’t parade around on Sythe pretending to be one or acting like one. Secondly, even if you did possess a proper education, something in my gut tells me you would have a hard time diagnosing anything more than an error code over the internet. Thirdly, I’d like you to name 3 things I’ve said that prove I have HPD and I’d like you to also clarify how you know I said those three things exactly the way I said them. I read one of the symptoms of HPD is “Theatricality, exaggerated emotions” so I’d like you to show me, and everyone else reading this, exactly how you could tell I was speaking with “theatricality and exaggerated emotions.” I wasn’t aware you could see a person’s face or hear a person’s voice through an online forum, but if you have a secret I am unaware of, please, share it.

How ironic of you to tell me my response was presumptuous and condescending right before you took the liberty of diagnosing me with personality disorder. First of all, you basically screamed “I’m a hypocrite” at the top of your lungs when you said that and second of all, I nearly flat out told you I can be a little too bold and straight-forward sometimes, and those are two synonyms of presumptuous. So do I thank you for telling me I’m bold? Thanks?

That may be how you would have protected your ego, if you were in my place, but nothing you or Captain Communism, (pardon the pun) said has had any effect on my ego whatsoever. I’m still just as “presumptuous” now as I was before I read your little comment.

Ironic how you stick up for Mother Russia (again, couldn’t help myself) when I talk to him in a more aggressive tone than the United Nations normally does, but you have no problem turning the other direction when a ten-year-old boy gets scammed out of his Runescape account.